2016 Postmortem

GreatGazoo

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246. It points to a campaign addicted to polls and focus groups

Mon Feb 15, 2016, 09:26 AM

Feb 2016

Treating voters as groups and demographics to be "messaged." Referring to voters as "firewalls" and the like.

Seems like they see data about why voters don't like HRC and they try to paint Sanders with that brush regardless of truth. It is not as "artful" as they seem to think it is.

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Bernie Sanders is not MLK, Jr., Gandhi, Obama, or Mother Theresa. He is not even a great orator. [View all] asuhornets Feb 2016 OP

In other words, he should just quit and let her have it. OK, message received. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #1

this is an onion OP roguevalley Feb 2016 #88

She is fighting hard to be the next POTUS.. asuhornets Feb 2016 #146

I think you have bumped your head krawhitham Feb 2016 #166

Jesus H - We have never 840high Feb 2016 #200

OMG, you must have read what we say about her self-absordness. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #247

Total bullshit. You have that backwards. Punkingal Feb 2016 #268

He should not quit, but he will not win...eom asuhornets Feb 2016 #237

oh. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #2

Got it all out of your system? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #3

+420 berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #7

+840 dchill Feb 2016 #120

You really should invest 2 more minutes to read the entire thread. cui bono Feb 2016 #175

Thank you! dchill Feb 2016 #181

You won't regret it! cui bono Feb 2016 #187

Yeah, I know. Check it out. dchill Feb 2016 #189

Hillary will lose in a landslide TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #4

We'll just have to take our chances then, won't we? oasis Feb 2016 #40

It is a tough chance TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #46

You can stop worrying, Hill's got this. oasis Feb 2016 #84

I'm not worried. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #170

Yes, Indeed. And our chances are good..eom asuhornets Feb 2016 #261

people who do not see this truth need to get out more SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #51

We'll see. I believe Hillary will be the nominee. Beacool Feb 2016 #61

Kasich would cause problems TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #65

Yeah, but don't count on the Republicans to be smart enough to nominate Kasich. Beacool Feb 2016 #109

Fair point TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #112

Actually, the FBI investigation is being... asuhornets Feb 2016 #149

It needs to be mentioned TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #156

Ego? Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #5

Spot-on Uncle Joe. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #20

Cheers, 99th_Monkey. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #30

Slam dunk! HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #76

Hillary talks at people Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #77

Well, to be fair... cui bono Feb 2016 #82

Bernie talks at black people sheshe2 Feb 2016 #117

Not Good Enough, sheshe2! cui bono Feb 2016 #180

He doesn't understand black culture like Bill did.... RiverLover Feb 2016 #240

Hilly dear tells them she'll only talk to white people cali Feb 2016 #257

Thank you. I forgot about addressing that idiotic point. cui bono Feb 2016 #78

I know, right?! frylock Feb 2016 #86

Remember this guy? sheshe2 Feb 2016 #159

Other than trying to change the point of my post are you suggesting that President Obama Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #233

"but Hillary was ready with different and improved responses" Matariki Feb 2016 #6

BAM! kath Feb 2016 #43

New and improved! Now with 15% more believability! frylock Feb 2016 #92

LOL Matariki Feb 2016 #198

LOL! RiverLover Feb 2016 #241

Is their a 300 page pamphlet available on her website so that I can keep track of the ever changing Dragonfli Feb 2016 #114

... sheshe2 Feb 2016 #167

Obama is a man of words -- not one of action. earthshine Feb 2016 #205

Yeah a real loser. sheshe2 Feb 2016 #215

Sorry. He could have done so much more, if only he wanted to. nt earthshine Feb 2016 #217

If only he wanted to? sheshe2 Feb 2016 #218

Lol! zappaman Feb 2016 #221

Arguably, he is the most successful AA of all time -- that's personal success. earthshine Feb 2016 #269

Yes, and ... DirkGently Feb 2016 #209

Yep, he's another great example of someone I voted for instead of Hillary EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #228

If you say so. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #8

It's bad enough they attack his strengths, now they're going to project her weaknesses. frylock Feb 2016 #98

It points to a campaign addicted to polls and focus groups GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #246

That try hard to sound.... daleanime Feb 2016 #9

Best of all, he isn't Hillary!! artislife Feb 2016 #10

LOL tk2kewl Feb 2016 #17

Hee! artislife Feb 2016 #37

never got around to rewriting my reply from the other night tk2kewl Feb 2016 #58

I totally get it. artislife Feb 2016 #79

You will be waiting a long time...eom asuhornets Feb 2016 #154

Under a year! Not too long still artislife Feb 2016 #160

Best of all he ain't Obama and never will be. sheshe2 Feb 2016 #220

Not me, I have not bashed him artislife Feb 2016 #224

You paint with such a wide brush demosocialist Feb 2016 #258

Why won't Hillary talk to the media? It's been over 2 weeks. Why is she so shielded? jillan Feb 2016 #11

Meanwhile, Bernie saunters into the FOX Den of Rabid Dogs 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #26

Did you watch? He was calm. Betcha Hillary will never step foot near faux. jillan Feb 2016 #42

She already has. dchill Feb 2016 #190

Chris Wallace said today that they have been asking her week after week after week. jillan Feb 2016 #191

Benghazi! dchill Feb 2016 #193

Exactly - why doesn't she take it head on rather than hide from it? Maybe it just might do her some jillan Feb 2016 #195

That's nothing compared to testifying for 11 hours in front of the RW nut jobs. Beacool Feb 2016 #47

Bingo! Empowerer Feb 2016 #70

Still milking that for all it's worth, hunh? frylock Feb 2016 #108

Hillary did well with the nut-jobs, Bernie did well on FOX. I'd call it a win/win 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #128

Because she is extremely smart... asuhornets Feb 2016 #161

Weak post. nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #12

And so is your response...eom asuhornets Feb 2016 #163

I didn't feel your post merited any more of my time than that. Bonobo Feb 2016 #165

She only made the op to cause trouble and start people fighting. earthshine Feb 2016 #208

Lol, wow do you whine a lot. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #13

Lol, you do repeat yourself a lot. Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #235

Bernie craves power. He has a taste for it now and he will do anything to get it. Beausoir Feb 2016 #14

Bernie has been absolutely power-mad for his entire career. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #24

. arcane1 Feb 2016 #32

this new anti Bernie meme is amazing(ly stupid) roguevalley Feb 2016 #99

They're becoming increasingly stupid. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #113

Bernie Sanders is a career politician. The idea that he is some kind of "outsider" is laughable. Beausoir Feb 2016 #34

That ineffectual politician The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #44

I often wonder which is worse. RichVRichV Feb 2016 #93

The DUer to whom chervilant Feb 2016 #273

" suckling at the government teat " cyberswede Feb 2016 #50

Comedy gold, that one. kath Feb 2016 #57

Is that worse than suckling at Goldman Sach's teat? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #97

Well, it's much less efficient Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #204

Hahaha azmom Feb 2016 #101

Officially, they are servants of the people and for that they are paid by our taxes. libdem4life Feb 2016 #69

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #81

Beausoir: "some old white guy who has been suckling at the government trough " Bonobo Feb 2016 #87

The answer to your first question is absolutely. Your post is an insult to those who do the duty libdem4life Feb 2016 #95

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #110

im an old white teacher who is glad for hs company. take your ageist crap and stow it, buffoon roguevalley Feb 2016 #103

As a teacher, I would hope that you know...you spelled Buffoon wrong. Beausoir Feb 2016 #116

nt roguevalley Feb 2016 #157

I'm using a phone. I am a real teacher, clown roguevalley Feb 2016 #158

My career is technical writer. earthshine Feb 2016 #210

Ouch Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #248

I'm a retired teacher. Apparently you didn't take Civics Classes...that's where we learn about our libdem4life Feb 2016 #259

So do you think we should not have a Congress The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #107

So you don't think elected officials are public servants? cui bono Feb 2016 #111

Mr "Outsider", Mr "Anti-establishment" sure has a lot of supporters who support the status-quo. Beausoir Feb 2016 #124

How do Bernie supporters support the status quo? n/t cui bono Feb 2016 #153

Such poor punctuation! Shame on you, teacher. earthshine Feb 2016 #211

"Sucking at the government teat" Bonobo Feb 2016 #73

you are my hero, bonobo roguevalley Feb 2016 #106

HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #118

Abso-fuckin'-lutely TDale313 Feb 2016 #141

OMG... your other post was serious? cui bono Feb 2016 #94

I saw THIS post first and thought he/she was joking m-lekktor Feb 2016 #105

What drug are these people on? cui bono Feb 2016 #121

Bernie Sanders is a career politician. The idea that he is some kind of "outsider" is laughable. Beausoir Feb 2016 #131

Can you provide me with a citiation of Bernie casting himself as an outsider? cui bono Feb 2016 #151

Don't hold your breath. They just had a post hidden upthread (#110). Jury results here: Electric Monk Feb 2016 #174

I'm torn about that because I really wanted to see what the answer would be. cui bono Feb 2016 #192

It must be some strong shit if the person thinks that of Bernie then supports Hillary m-lekktor Feb 2016 #133

I thought Bizarro World only existed in a Seinfeld episode. cui bono Feb 2016 #169

"He's been suckling at the government teat" Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #186

The Clintons have been (in your words) "suckling at the government teat" for almost 40 years EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #229

Ding ding ding ding. TDale313 Feb 2016 #45

Echo Chamber * Ditto Head 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #33

LOL nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #63

Beausoir, you are becoming my favorite SILLY poster! Bonobo Feb 2016 #68

Hahaha.... cui bono Feb 2016 #89

Yeah, that's why he wears off the rack suits, flies coach, has a net worth less than $350K and PatrickforO Feb 2016 #122

How would you possibly know where he buys his suits, where he sits on an airplane and what his Beausoir Feb 2016 #135

My guess is that they read. cui bono Feb 2016 #140

Yep. Sure. You bet. I guess we can ignore PatrickforO Feb 2016 #152

Oh, yes I could. He's my Senator. He's said he cali Feb 2016 #219

I'm judging every which way from Sunday. (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2016 #147

It's very difficult for me to listen to him speak. Sometimes I cringe. It's difficult ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #15

Well it's either that nichomachus Feb 2016 #18

Are you saying that because he is a man ? JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #25

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #41

Funny thing, I feel the same way about Hillary. I feel like she is always talking down to people. jillan Feb 2016 #49

Honesty & Integrity isn't everyone's cup of tea. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #91

I'm LOVING that the true face of hatred, ageism and possibly anti-semitism is finally Bonobo Feb 2016 #125

It's gonna get worse when Bernie wins Nevada. n/t cui bono Feb 2016 #142

Same here..n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #172

The same can be said of Hillary. But Bernie is honest and not a corporatist. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #16

that's a asuhornets Feb 2016 #173

Be sure to click your heels together as you quietly chant this to yourself. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #19

Chortle. kath Feb 2016 #54

Hillary has different and improved responses? senseandsensibility Feb 2016 #21

He's not even a Democrat. Beacool Feb 2016 #22

I remember how I became a Democrat. dchill Feb 2016 #28

Meh, I haven't lost anything. Beacool Feb 2016 #35

Primaries? Oh, you mean lies and swiftboating. dchill Feb 2016 #48

If by ability to reason you mean supporting the pony and unicorns for all man, Beacool Feb 2016 #55

You guys need some new material. TDale313 Feb 2016 #67

What's getting old is his one note speeches that can be summarized in a few words: Beacool Feb 2016 #74

Because it's the issue of our time. TDale313 Feb 2016 #90

One note, 1%, one message. dchill Feb 2016 #104

Still better than Hillary's three syllables. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #123

Yeah, because it would be sooooo much better to have a president who changes her mind on a whim, cui bono Feb 2016 #138

pssst....don't tell anyone antigop Feb 2016 #262

"I think that I win on that front. " dchill Feb 2016 #72

And some of us use common sense and life experience. Beacool Feb 2016 #102

The revolution will not be televised. dchill Feb 2016 #115

Neither will it occur. Beacool Feb 2016 #144

Good answer! Wow! I am at a loss for words! dchill Feb 2016 #155

As a mayor in VT said (I forgot which one) Sanders has been giving the same speech for 30 years. Beacool Feb 2016 #171

If HRC is 'reality on the ground"... dchill Feb 2016 #177

Why are you against Democratic values and principles? n/t cui bono Feb 2016 #188

Why are you all so willing to listen to someone who is promising what he can't deliver? Beacool Feb 2016 #265

Why are you a defeatist? I'll bet you're one of the ones who kept saying he couldn't cui bono Feb 2016 #266

No, because he wasn't gonna pull a Nader. TDale313 Feb 2016 #60

Time will tell. Beacool Feb 2016 #66

You can't win the fights you won't even suit up for. TDale313 Feb 2016 #85

By time will tell I meant that the primaries have just started. Beacool Feb 2016 #150

Again this is likely a long game. TDale313 Feb 2016 #164

Free college and single-payer are not "goodies"... dchill Feb 2016 #168

They are "goodies" when you know that you're over promising. Beacool Feb 2016 #183

"Goodies" are: Bailouts to billionaire banksters... dchill Feb 2016 #197

Those are goodies too. Beacool Feb 2016 #264

Health care and education... dchill Feb 2016 #267

+1 dchill Feb 2016 #75

Oh please, that was so 3 months ago. cui bono Feb 2016 #127

Ever hear of Diogenes? dchill Feb 2016 #23

Projection by proxy? Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #27

Bingo!! jillan Feb 2016 #53

You can always count on Team Hill to give an accurate depiction of their candidate Hydra Feb 2016 #56

"Different and improved responses". You are so right. PonyUp Feb 2016 #29

lol noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #52

He's not even a Democrat. n/t NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #31

profound. kath Feb 2016 #64

Yet he's providing people who ARE Democrats an opportunity to vote their conscience strategery blunder Feb 2016 #83

He said he loved me. frylock Feb 2016 #119

He's a better one than DINO Hillary. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #132

Actually he is a Democrat. But he is not an apologist. n/t cui bono Feb 2016 #145

He's the Democratic Party gone exile... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #196

I proudly stand with Nance Greggs v2.0.08, that lady was a sharp judge of character Fumesucker Feb 2016 #201

By "he" you mean David Brock? GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #249

You're right he isn't Nite Owl Feb 2016 #36

Well, bless your heart. kath Feb 2016 #38

Thanks for the update Kall Feb 2016 #39

Here, you seem to need a few more of these Hydra Feb 2016 #59

Even better... SMC22307 Feb 2016 #184

A classic use of "Poe's Law" applied to presidential primaries. arcane1 Feb 2016 #62

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! cui bono Feb 2016 #71

"Filibustering." JackRiddler Feb 2016 #80

And when there's too many people inside he has the nerve to go outside and filibuster cui bono Feb 2016 #148

Be glad he doesn't use tactics like this: Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #199

Not Mother Theresa? HassleCat Feb 2016 #96

Reccing for the comedy gold in this thread!!! cui bono Feb 2016 #100

It's awesome, isn't it? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #129

Indeed! arcane1 Feb 2016 #139

Thank you for speaking up! Paulie Feb 2016 #126

So he isn't another New/Clinton Dem? OZi Feb 2016 #130

He never even called himself a Democrat until he decided to run for president. n/t doc03 Feb 2016 #134

Shows his wisdom SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #176

Bernie is a pretty damn good speaker and has a great message to boot! Bernblu Feb 2016 #136

Pure comedy gold. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #137

Hillary supporters arguments really are getting pathetic and quite frankly not worth liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #143

U MAD??!! asuhornets Feb 2016 #179

Then why are you so scared krawhitham Feb 2016 #162

Is a LOL enough for this silly stuff? SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #178

Never scared.. asuhornets Feb 2016 #182

Oh look... SHRED Feb 2016 #185

Right back at cha..eom asuhornets Feb 2016 #194

You outdid yourself on silliness. 840high Feb 2016 #202

agree with the title mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #203

Old universal military saying. JonathanRackham Feb 2016 #206

Glad you posted this again HassleCat Feb 2016 #207

There are none so blind as those who will not see NowSam Feb 2016 #212

Sounds like you're describing Hillary to a T actually. Fearless Feb 2016 #213

Before I trash... vercetti2021 Feb 2016 #214

Lol. Upset, asuhornet? cali Feb 2016 #216

What a nasty post Marrah_G Feb 2016 #222

This is such a great thread! Mike__M Feb 2016 #223

Right? Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #239

Obama is not MLK, Gandhi, Mother Theresa or Bernie Sanders. cali Feb 2016 #225

This message was self-deleted by its author bravenak Feb 2016 #226

OMG the irony of this post!!! Hill will never be president. You need to accept that and move on bowens43 Feb 2016 #227

OMG!!! asuhornets Feb 2016 #236

Sanders may not be Gandhi democrank Feb 2016 #230

Hillary Clinton is not MLK, Jr., Gandhi, Obama, or Mother Theresa. She is not even a great orator. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #231

"but Hillary was ready with different and improved responses" - bwahahahaha! djean111 Feb 2016 #232

his crowds of 20,000+ would beg to differ. silvershadow Feb 2016 #234

great satire! colbear would be proud. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #238

Hillary has done the party (and the country) a huge disservice by running. Vinca Feb 2016 #242

He's not Mother Theresa? Great in depth reporting. Thanks. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #243

I was hoping this was satire, but no... just the usual griping from the Hillary side Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #244

Hillary supporters have no right to accuse others of feeding their egos. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #245

It's almost as if his whole life has been one long power grab in search of the presidency. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #250

Predictably Spreading Establishment FUD cantbeserious Feb 2016 #251

Mother Teresa was a terrible person... MellowDem Feb 2016 #252

Hillary Clinton is a 3rd-Way conservative politician. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #253

Hillary, now with improved responses! n/t DefenseLawyer Feb 2016 #254

Neither was Paul Wellstone... speaktruthtopower Feb 2016 #255

He is the new and improved Anointed One! randome Feb 2016 #256

There is not a snowball's chance in hell that Clinton could bring this party together. But people Skwmom Feb 2016 #260

your words: asuhornets Feb 2016 #263

Well, at least, you left out the EEEK!! Socialist part. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #270

Being a socialist is not a bad thing...mainly rpugs think that. eom asuhornets Feb 2016 #271

Repugs who won't vote for Hillary or Bernie. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #272