My detailed take on why NOT Bernie Sanders

[uponit7771]

236. Point by point back

1. on the practicality

SP PLan

- You're making my case for me when you type things like this "first to go would be the large bonuses and very high salaries for hospital administrators" ... ok, fire them all?! REALLY?! or he'll jus ask them nicely to accept nothing?! HOW?! Also, the HOSPITAL GROUPS aren't going to just say .. Yeah Bernie, we agree... we get paid way too much... here's 1/3 rd of our annual income and not tank market wise or just go out of business... even your suggestion is impractical just at a cursory look

- "Also, there is plenty of cruft and gift in our current system..."... that represents another 2%, take all if out and my point still stand; the cost are still too high in Sanders SP plan... going from an unaffordable 500 dollar payment a month to a less un-affordable 455 dollar payment a month doesn't give Sanders plan the life that's needed IMHO

Congress

- "If you want to claim Clinton is better on this point, " - Strawman, I don't and never have... she's saying she'll work through unilateral actions as much as she can while Sanders is STILL to this day acting as if an FDR congress exist to work with his FDR agenda... it doesn't, Obama had 59 days of a controlling DEM majority of congress ... Sanders will have another 4 years of a historically gerrymandered GOP congress...4 years, anyone who doesn't understand why it will be 4 years doesn't understand gerrymandering and it's horrid effects.

Wall Street

- You and I agree, Clintons plan does less to affect the big banks cause she understands it wasn't the big banks that screwed up the country !!!! They played a part but they were mostly bystanders RELATIVE TO the investment houses who can still leverage 40 to 1 on derivatives!! That ability to do that kind of unmittegated gambling is from Sanders CFMA vote... Sanders continues to lack either understanding on this or he knows and the phrase "big banks" polls better on that issue.

2. Sanders "course correction"

- "Did you object to Bill Clinton shredding the New Deal? No?" - First ...I don't agree with the premise of the question and we're not talking about Bill Clinton.. the subject is Sanders. Even in this context the New Deal was a program while the Democratic Party is an organization... right now tearing assunder the DNC isn't a good idea to me

- "Not in January 2009. OFA was more-or-less rudderless for about the first 9 months of his presidency. By then, the movement had dispersed." The 9 months is true... I didn't hear from him for a second but seeing he just got placed into the most powerful seat on the planet I'll give him a break... the rest of it is NOT true... I got OFA and other emails from Obama afterwards... including some emails on organizing... Sanders is wrong, OFA did NOT go away after Obama was elected

3. Sanders Revolution

- "Try actually looking at his plans. Project Zero likes his social justice platform." - I've seen this, it LEAVES OUT the equalization or reparations of marginalized groups... Cause Sanders said he didn't want to touch it. His words (sic) not mine

- "Reagan would like his Welfare Queens talking point back. " - My comment has nothing to do with demonizing people the point was his other grandiose programs can pass with "revolution" but reparations or cutting Military spending down to 10% of what it is current;y can NOT?!! That sounds like revolution with an asterisk

4. Sanders Narrow focus

- "So we should vote for the candidate who got Iraq wrong, got Libya wrong," - No, vote for the person who's interested at least, that aint Sanders

- "It has not proven to work. It has utterly failed the bottom 80% of our economy" - most democrats disagree with this assesment

Personal

1 Sanders message narrow reach

- "So...which candidate skipped the round table in MN last week? Which candidate skipped NRN? Which candidate had BLM activists thrown out? " - Hillary hasn't skipped 2 decades of getting to know and talking to AA's in church's town halls and community centers, a couple of meetings she can get a pass on. Getting back to Sanders this relationship with him didn't start until he needed votes, Sorry if some people are singing "no new friends" to someone who's constantly saying "your friends that you known for a long time sucks, vote for me"

2. Sanders purity test

- "Sanders doesn't have a purity test." - We disagree on this point, he has one and everytime he puts it up against Hillary he uses his standard of affiliation with Wall Street to bash her but leaves out his coziness with Americas horrid gun policy.

3. Sanders PROVEN track record of revolution.

- Could you name something even on a small scale that Sanders got through in legislation through his revolution ideal? ... Let's make it big but on a small stage with massive amounts of people (relatively speaking) that got something through a governmental body that was dead set against his idea?

Thx in advance and good discussion