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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
19. More 'No We Can't!'?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:17 AM
Feb 2016

Let's start in reverse. Too much money in politics? High on Bernie's list of things to attempt to change. Not because it 'solves' any other problem, but because it makes it easier to get in politicians who are more interested in the needs of actual voters, rather than the needs of shareholders and corporations.

And guess what? Once you get more politicians running who actually care about voters, you get more voters who care about politics. People vote when they think it might actually make a change for the better in their lives. They're apathetic to the process when no matter which side they vote for, 93%+ of the benefits go to the rich.

And once voters start paying attention to higher level elections, they also start to pay more attention to lower level ones too, and we start getting better politicians there, too, working once again for humans, not businesses. Don't get me wrong, businesses are fine, but any benefits the government gives them should be DIRECTLY tied to the demonstrated benefits those businesses bring to humans in the community, not just how rich they make jet-set shareholders.

At which point we get to 'made for stasis'. Well, certainly made for slower change than in other places, but NOT for stasis. Stasis, or 'gridlock', is a dysfunctional state that derives from all of the above - crappy candidates who win on floods of money from rich people who elect them to make themselves richer. Get the money out, get better candidates running; get better candidates running, get voters less apathetic; get voters less apathetic, get in better candidates; get in better candidates, undo gerrymandering. It all flows right along.

Next, racial divisions. Yes, they exist, and they're the original sin of the country, and have been exploited since before the country WAS a country, again for the purpose of allowing the few to concentrate wealth and power, exploiting the powerless and setting the poor against each other. Telling one group that they're better than another so as to keep the groups antagonized against each other so that they don't team up against the few with all the power, all the wealth. And, as we see more and more ethnicities entering Europe in larger numbers, we see the same sorts of tensions springing up. In that sense, Europe is becoming more like America.

Finally, taxes. Yes, Europeans pay more in taxes. All Europeans. And they get a lot back for those taxes. Our problem as regards taxes is not structural, but conditioning. Rightwingers of all persuasions have been pushing the idea that taxes are 'evil' for decades, and have gotten a lot of help in pushing that idea simply because our government does NOT return all the benefits to all citizens, but instead funnels large amounts of the taxes into the pockets of the few. When Americans actually see the benefits of taxes, they are open to paying them. When that tax money is shoveled into the pockets of shareholders of military contractors, and no real benefits accrue to the rest of America, people get cranky about paying taxes. So we need to stop being the 'world police', and paying for foreign adventure after foreign adventure and boondoggles like the F35.

But it all starts where you ended. Break the ability of the rich to buy political races, and allow politicians who simply want to actually serve human beings to win elections.

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America will be like Europe. The revolution has begun. yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #1
European states have a homogeny that America lacks. apnu Feb 2016 #2
I've been traveling in Europe since 1974. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #3
blah, blah, blah kennetha Feb 2016 #4
Spoken like a truly uninformed propagandist. berni_mccoy Feb 2016 #30
yes, listening to someone who has actually been there and experienced dana_b Feb 2016 #56
ha ha kennetha Feb 2016 #73
I have been to Europe a bunch of times too, but I'm not sure how that informs this discussion. bettyellen Feb 2016 #65
I agree Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #78
Could you explain....thanks all american girl Feb 2016 #82
Why does the idea.... daleanime Feb 2016 #5
What fear? kennetha Feb 2016 #7
See? A simple question pushes you to insults.... daleanime Feb 2016 #11
that wasn't a simple question kennetha Feb 2016 #14
Answer: Are they set in stone? daleanime Feb 2016 #24
Jury's in Goblinmonger Feb 2016 #49
More "NO WE CAN'T" from the Surrender Monkey Wing of the New Democrats Party. 99Forever Feb 2016 #6
just dispassionate, objective analysis kennetha Feb 2016 #8
Horseshit. 99Forever Feb 2016 #9
blah, blah, blah kennetha Feb 2016 #10
Yes, that's precisely what you do. 99Forever Feb 2016 #12
you seem as closed minded kennetha Feb 2016 #17
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #18
tsk, tsk kennetha Feb 2016 #21
And "blah, blah, blah" isn't a sign of a weak mind? Fawke Em Feb 2016 #37
frickin sad isn't it? pinebox Feb 2016 #68
No dude you play the card pinebox Feb 2016 #67
Defend? kennetha Feb 2016 #75
So they pay more in taxes. Americans are fucking crybabies about taxes. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #13
Look I agree with you kennetha Feb 2016 #15
Sorry, I took a reflexive reaction to the first point of your post without proper consideration. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #16
I'm not sure where you are going in Europe, but I sure hope it's not belgium all american girl Feb 2016 #83
More 'No We Can't!'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #19
^^ this plus ^^ Kittycat Feb 2016 #29
Which also circles back around to Scalia, as well. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #31
Much too Simplistic, IMHO kennetha Feb 2016 #50
I wasn't about to write a book for you. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #76
So, you cite a random list of American shortcomings as the reason to keep things as they are? whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #20
where'd you get that? kennetha Feb 2016 #23
Well, let's see whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #27
hmm kennetha Feb 2016 #33
You seem intellectually allergic to whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #38
no I'm not. kennetha Feb 2016 #42
Your posts whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #46
you can't read obviously, if you think that. kennetha Feb 2016 #47
or Canada, Australia or New Zealand treestar Feb 2016 #22
agreed kennetha Feb 2016 #25
Yes, agreed and the states were full of themselves treestar Feb 2016 #26
Europe has far better transportation services too. JRLeft Feb 2016 #28
love those high speed trains in Europe kennetha Feb 2016 #34
Our high speed trains aren't really high speed trains. JRLeft Feb 2016 #35
agreed kennetha Feb 2016 #36
That's reason why a lot people are against. Add in a poor design and it's set up for failure. JRLeft Feb 2016 #39
totally agree about the poor design kennetha Feb 2016 #40
Agreed, either do it right or don't bother. Well wait until you do a better job. JRLeft Feb 2016 #44
The last Democrat that ran for POTUS promising to raise taxes redstateblues Feb 2016 #32
Therefore... whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #45
no. but it's hard. kennetha Feb 2016 #48
It's my understanding that Europe, unlike present day America, tends to protect it's workers whathehell Feb 2016 #77
Nope. The last Democrat that ran for POTUS promising to raise taxes was Obama. jeff47 Feb 2016 #51
Easy answer. OkSustainAg Feb 2016 #41
easier said than done. kennetha Feb 2016 #43
There's a lot of stereotyping going on here. Fearless Feb 2016 #52
stereotyping? kennetha Feb 2016 #53
The biggest being that Europe is a united "country" like political body. Fearless Feb 2016 #55
wouldn't deny that kennetha Feb 2016 #60
one of the more thinly veiled racist lines I have ever heard on DU DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #54
That's not racist kennetha Feb 2016 #59
We spend 2-4 times what Eurpoean countries do on defense exboyfil Feb 2016 #57
all true kennetha Feb 2016 #61
Simple answer: a Greedy and Empowered 1% kristopher Feb 2016 #58
you really think it's that simple? kennetha Feb 2016 #62
Absolutely. kristopher Feb 2016 #63
the bottom 60% is not a monolith kennetha Feb 2016 #64
It isn't when the top 1% has all the money. But if we distribute that money... kristopher Feb 2016 #66
No reply? kristopher Feb 2016 #71
You know that was sort of Bill Clinton's idea kennetha Feb 2016 #72
Clinton's idea? Did he come up with democracy also? kristopher Feb 2016 #80
Big K and R oasis Feb 2016 #69
Simple - We have Republicans (in both parties) and They don't Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #70
An old article from the 90's about Paris kennetha Feb 2016 #74
Higher taxes - so much more you get for your money Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #79
I bet if you did a graph on "trust in government" kennetha Feb 2016 #81
I lived in Denmark from 2004-2007, and yes, they are happy with what the all american girl Feb 2016 #84
Well some aren't happy in every country I'm sure. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #85
That is so true, so true. I was telling a funny little thing about Denmark. Some people will all american girl Feb 2016 #86
It is not the amount of taxes it is the value from them libtodeath Feb 2016 #87
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