2016 Postmortem

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13. Obama negotiated with Big Pharma and don't forget he was trying to push Simpson-Bowles.

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:00 PM

Feb 2016

That's not progressive, even he said this: "Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s."

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Boston Globe: Stinging Take-Down of "Hillary Clinton's Black Conversion" [View all] amborin Feb 2016 OP

Yet, so many of us are jumping at chance to vote for the corporatist. JRLeft Feb 2016 #1

I can't understand that. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #2

Name recognition and the blind love for Obama. I like the brotha, JRLeft Feb 2016 #4

No he wasn't, Dyson did a story on this very dribble where Obama talked to West and at the end of th uponit7771 Feb 2016 #10

Obama negotiated with Big Pharma and don't forget he was trying to push Simpson-Bowles. JRLeft Feb 2016 #13

Great, if Obama had an 80% dem congress do you think he would've negotiated with anyone uponit7771 Feb 2016 #17

He could have not pushed for republican policies but he did. JRLeft Feb 2016 #18

OK, so you think a gerrymandered congress where they changed the filibuster rules in practice had... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #22

Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner, Penny Pritzker, Arne Duncan, JRLeft Feb 2016 #26

OK, lets skip the part were you didn't answer the question like many people who just bash uponit7771 Feb 2016 #32

Here's the thing I think Obama did a great job, but he can be criticized when he is wrong JRLeft Feb 2016 #36

OK, what would be "anti" Wall Street then? I worked with Wall Street, I'm looking at Sanders uponit7771 Feb 2016 #38

We're on course for another major economic collapse, he definitely understands the economic issues JRLeft Feb 2016 #40

Hey my friend, JRL Carolina Feb 2016 #51

Too many apologists. He did a great job digging us put but he put a bandaid on the issue. JRLeft Feb 2016 #55

A gerrymandered Congress had nothing to do with nyabingi Feb 2016 #52

This is false on its face, I'll ask you the same thing... if Obama had an 80% dem congress like uponit7771 Feb 2016 #70

He obviously would've gotten more nyabingi Feb 2016 #74

Yes, because he said he was a new democrat, he called himself a centrist. JRLeft Feb 2016 #90

of course he would...he had a majority noiretextatique Feb 2016 #91

Read this. JRLeft Feb 2016 #93

What precisely is false about that post? zigby Feb 2016 #94

forget about reality noiretextatique Feb 2016 #89

And why doesn't he have an 80% Democratic Congress? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #54

Cause he's evil and Hillary killed Abe Lincoln and whatever other hyperbolic crap bashers uponit7771 Feb 2016 #72

Sorry if the truth hurts. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #73

+1 cui bono Feb 2016 #75

He didn't have it because Andy823 Feb 2016 #82

Until 1994, the Clinton administration, we had a Democratic JDPriestly Feb 2016 #85

The delusion of the folks is stunning. noiretextatique Feb 2016 #56

Both houses were blue when he got into office. Kentonio Feb 2016 #15

Winger meme and you know it, GOP changed filibuster rules so there was only controlling vote uponit7771 Feb 2016 #19

You seem to have conveniently ignored the more relevant part of my post Kentonio Feb 2016 #23

1. Obama didn't describe himself as a republican and there's NOTHING along his record so far uponit7771 Feb 2016 #29

Hmm.. Kentonio Feb 2016 #34

"Would be considered" != I am... that's syntax... Lets look at his overall record and not just one uponit7771 Feb 2016 #37

Strange version of reality where someones own words can be written off as 'pretzel logic words' Kentonio Feb 2016 #39

Whats stranger is "I would be considere" by OTHERS (cause your quote leaves out this context) = I am uponit7771 Feb 2016 #69

Why would you think that? Kentonio Feb 2016 #71

Cause after 80% House becomes strongest legislative body, that's why its a trick question uponit7771 Feb 2016 #83

True, although a veto proof house passing legislation against their own President would be bold Kentonio Feb 2016 #96

You don't get it, the president wouldn't have a choice!!! FDR had a congress to push him further uponit7771 Feb 2016 #97

You're missing my point Kentonio Feb 2016 #98

In the case of Obama the bashing is disingenuous when it comes to legislation because the narrative uponit7771 Feb 2016 #99

No, the criticism of Obama isn't that he went right because the house forced him to. Kentonio Feb 2016 #100

K, thats position is not reality... that's not even close to a rational critique seeing how the US.. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #102

It has nothing to do with Congress for goodness sake Kentonio Feb 2016 #103

OK... I thought we were talking about legislation exclusively... right !?!??! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #104

We never said anything about criticizing everything he did.. Kentonio Feb 2016 #105

Neither did I, I'm talking about the 10% of his actions that you named in your reply... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #106

Where did 90% come from? Kentonio Feb 2016 #109

The same could be said about FDR no? uponit7771 Feb 2016 #110

that forum has taught you well eom noiretextatique Feb 2016 #92

Cause "the person you've known for decades sucks, vote for me" isn't a good campaign slogan uponit7771 Feb 2016 #6

The phrase is: 'The person who opposed your equal rights for deaces sucks, vote for me because I Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #11

well, no one in their right minds believes that in the slightest and the Clintons haven't been uponit7771 Feb 2016 #20

Another Big Fail. Net positive? Hardly. Now with three of them out there spewing garbage, libdem4life Feb 2016 #31

Nah, fail = Clinton is Satan or anything close post... it's noise and sounds wingerish. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #35

WHERE is your LINK????????????????? nt MADem Feb 2016 #3

Took me ten seconds Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #8

It is getting all too common that stuff is being posted w/o a link lately. MADem Feb 2016 #12

Thank you for that - Mother Of Four Feb 2016 #14

You can do a copyright alert, but the admins will probably ignore that, too. MADem Feb 2016 #30

I never ask, I go find it. Why? The lack of a link is either an oversight or an intentional move to Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #25

An INTENTIONAL MOVE TO OBSCURE FACTS is WRONG. I don't care who does it. MADem Feb 2016 #28

Link please? cui bono Feb 2016 #77

Links....and cites! MADem Feb 2016 #78

did the link work for you? it didn't for me one_voice Feb 2016 #66

ah; got it ellennelle Feb 2016 #44

K&R Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #5

BOO-YAH!!!!!!!!!! Nedsdag Feb 2016 #7

Prisons for profit UnBlinkingEye Feb 2016 #9

It's fine SheenaR Feb 2016 #16

K&R EndElectoral Feb 2016 #21

K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #24

And Bernie is too much of a gentleman Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #27

This is why Bernie calls for AN END TO INSTITUTIONAL RACISM at every rally. senz Feb 2016 #61

more conflating Pres. Clinton's term with Hillary bigtree Feb 2016 #33

Hillary vociferously supported Bill's 3-strikes and welfare reform. magical thyme Feb 2016 #49

Exactly Carolina Feb 2016 #65

Yikes! What a phony. jalan48 Feb 2016 #41

K&R&Bookmarked. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #42

thx for this ellennelle Feb 2016 #43

What a coincidence. Octafish Feb 2016 #45

here's a link to the Boston Globe article magical thyme Feb 2016 #46

She is smug by default but especially there. thereismore Feb 2016 #48

Kickety kick. thereismore Feb 2016 #47

Maybe they should go visit another black church between their $2,700 a plate fundraiser dinners. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #50

If Hillary is nominated, it will be because of name recognition and msm propaganda. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #53

people only vote for Clinton because they haven't heard of Sanders MisterP Feb 2016 #58

Exactly. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #59

fans: "it's a 7-point blowout! we'll win Vermont for sure!" MisterP Feb 2016 #60

what's your source Horus T Light Feb 2016 #57

Boston Globe: major U.S. newspaper. senz Feb 2016 #62

It's a "good" major US newspaper when it says things some people like. MADem Feb 2016 #67

Respectable major news outlets run a variety of opinion pieces. senz Feb 2016 #68

Mmmmm hmmmmmm.... MADem Feb 2016 #79

Please do. senz Feb 2016 #80

Are you? You're the one who keeps beating the horse, here. MADem Feb 2016 #81

I'm not beating any horse here or elsewhere. senz Feb 2016 #84

Ha ha ha! MADem Feb 2016 #86

lol, you're funny, MADem. senz Feb 2016 #87

I think Jay knows Obama's mind. And I also think it wasn't an "accident" or a "slip of the tongue" MADem Feb 2016 #107

Nah. She's just another enabler. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #63

Please edit your OP to include the link. Here it is: senz Feb 2016 #64

sorry, and thanks! done! amborin Feb 2016 #88

Boston Globe, that's the paper that hates on the Kenned�s, isn't it? ucrdem Feb 2016 #76

No. It's the HERALD (which used to be the Herald -Traveler, years ago) that "hates on the Kennedys" MADem Feb 2016 #108

Imprisoning the voters you claim to count on, not too smart. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #95

K N R Faux pas Feb 2016 #101