2016 Postmortem

Satch59

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3. Obama evolved also...

Reply to hoosierlib (Original post)

Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:31 PM

Feb 2016

No surprise...just glad she's onboard now...

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Of course she is for marriage equality now... [View all] hoosierlib Feb 2016 OP

Now I wouldn't say that.... daleanime Feb 2016 #1

Considering the smoke and mirrors....Has she taken an actual stand in terms of those issues? virtualobserver Feb 2016 #33

"I will fight hard for whatever way the wind blows!" valerief Feb 2016 #2

She's a follower not a leader. Broward Feb 2016 #17

Obama evolved also... Satch59 Feb 2016 #3

People evolve. The 90's were a different time. fun n serious Feb 2016 #4

She didn't evolve until 2013. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #20

I didn't know that. That's too bad. fun n serious Feb 2016 #23

She and Obama opposed it on religious grounds, or were pretending to Hydra Feb 2016 #42

I just looked it up Neither was Sanders...nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #25

Bernie voted against DOMA in 1996 and never opposed marriage equality. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #28

Here read this fun n serious Feb 2016 #29

It's been posted, read and debunked countless times. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #31

He didn't vote against DOMA on a courageous stand in favor of same sex marriage mythology Feb 2016 #39

And where in all that did he say he opposed marriage equality? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #41

The both EVOLVED fun n serious Feb 2016 #43

When did he say he opposed it? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #44

Here fun n serious Feb 2016 #46

That's the blogger's opinion, I provided the transcript, point out where he said he opposed it. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author fun n serious Feb 2016 #49

What a pant load. SamKnause Feb 2016 #32

I have always been for same sex marriage since I can remember.. fun n serious Feb 2016 #45

Why don't we wait until she finishes evolving? nichomachus Feb 2016 #53

Bernie advocates revolution, hillary continual evolution. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #5

Are you implying that you would respect her more if she was against marriage equality? LonePirate Feb 2016 #6

I would respect her if she stuck to a position... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #7

You're admitting you would respect her more if she maintained her old anti-marriage equality stance? LonePirate Feb 2016 #8

Yep...that would mean that she actually stood for something once... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #9

I thought only Repubs preferred candidates to stick to a position instead of doing the right thing LonePirate Feb 2016 #11

she has steadfastly denied she was ever against gay marriage noiretextatique Feb 2016 #16

When did she deny that she was ever against marriage equality? LonePirate Feb 2016 #40

in 2013 she was finally for gay marriage noiretextatique Feb 2016 #69

Technically, that is not a denial of her previous statements/position. LonePirate Feb 2016 #70

technically, it is..but noiretextatique Feb 2016 #71

A denial is something like "I never said that." Her words do not even approach that. LonePirate Feb 2016 #73

Beyond strange. stevenleser Feb 2016 #10

yes...it is crazy. noiretextatique Feb 2016 #18

I would respect the claim of evolution if any evolution was shown. jeff47 Feb 2016 #12

So without evidence, there is no evolution? LonePirate Feb 2016 #13

Again, she has a history. jeff47 Feb 2016 #15

So it's wrong for someone to adopt a more progressive position than what they believed previously? LonePirate Feb 2016 #19

Nope. Try reading what I said again. jeff47 Feb 2016 #22

What difference does it make what she believed before if she is for the progressive position now? LonePirate Feb 2016 #24

Because 99% of being president is behind closed doors. jeff47 Feb 2016 #26

You're suggesting she would sign an anti-marriage equality bill passed by a Repub Congress. LonePirate Feb 2016 #35

No, I'm not suggesting yet another strawman. jeff47 Feb 2016 #37

i would not respect her even if she admitted she was against gay marriage noiretextatique Feb 2016 #14

I'd respect her more if she got it right the first time... Ino Feb 2016 #34

Was Bernie a supporter of marriage equality in his late teen age years? LonePirate Feb 2016 #36

Do you have proof he was against it? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #38

Unless his first opinion on the issue back in the 60s was in favor it, then he has evolved. LonePirate Feb 2016 #48

Nope, you claimed he evolved so it's up to you to prove he opposed it. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #51

I never claimed he evolved. I asked if his first opinion on the topic was in support of it. LonePirate Feb 2016 #54

So you have no proof he evolved or needed to evolve. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #55

What difference does it make when she changed her mind? LonePirate Feb 2016 #56

It makes a difference because she pretends to be a champion but wasn't. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #57

You're changing the discussion. LonePirate Feb 2016 #58

Obviously not. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #60

It's your choice to be hung up on words from a decade ago. LonePirate Feb 2016 #63

I'm not "hung up" on them, I said her opposition to equality matters to me. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #66

It does matter when and why. Ino Feb 2016 #59

It matters to you. It does not matter to me. LonePirate Feb 2016 #61

But if I have the choice... Ino Feb 2016 #65

I don't define leadership with time qualifiers. LonePirate Feb 2016 #68

Lost time... Ino Feb 2016 #74

You seem to be only concerned about the past. I prefer to focus on the present and future. LonePirate Feb 2016 #75

I'm concerned about the past as it informs & predicts the present and future. Ino Feb 2016 #76

Thank you. Some people 840high Feb 2016 #64

Well said. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #67

Or is she lying? She called marriage a "Sacred" bond between a man and a woman. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #21

Bernie Sanders Claims He’s a Longtime Champion of Marriage Equality. It’s Just Not True. fun n serious Feb 2016 #27

The blogger lied, Bernie never opposed marriage equality. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #30

I find this part: one_voice Feb 2016 #50

And he explained that, he wanted states to be able to pass it without being overturned by the feds. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #52

Yup yup... finger meet wind! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #62

What the heck is wrong with some of you SheenaR Feb 2016 #72