2016 Postmortem

Ino

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59. It does matter when and why.

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:24 AM

Feb 2016

Did she change when it suited her politically? It matters. It speaks to her honesty, integrity, courage, empathy, leadership... or lack thereof. She changed her opinion in 2013, when she saw the writing on the wall, when she was getting ready to run for president (again). The country was moving on with or without her, so she jumped on board once she saw it was safe. Maybe she always supported gay marriage, but pretended not to because it was politically risky. And that matters too. She is not a leader.

As far as the gay rights movement goes, yes, "it only matters that they support it."

But as far as judging Hillary's character, it DOES matter when and why.

Same thing with all other issues she has "changed her mind" about recently.

Evidence of Bernie's position in early 1970s
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago

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Of course she is for marriage equality now... [View all] hoosierlib Feb 2016 OP

Now I wouldn't say that.... daleanime Feb 2016 #1

Considering the smoke and mirrors....Has she taken an actual stand in terms of those issues? virtualobserver Feb 2016 #33

"I will fight hard for whatever way the wind blows!" valerief Feb 2016 #2

She's a follower not a leader. Broward Feb 2016 #17

Obama evolved also... Satch59 Feb 2016 #3

People evolve. The 90's were a different time. fun n serious Feb 2016 #4

She didn't evolve until 2013. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #20

I didn't know that. That's too bad. fun n serious Feb 2016 #23

She and Obama opposed it on religious grounds, or were pretending to Hydra Feb 2016 #42

I just looked it up Neither was Sanders...nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #25

Bernie voted against DOMA in 1996 and never opposed marriage equality. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #28

Here read this fun n serious Feb 2016 #29

It's been posted, read and debunked countless times. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #31

He didn't vote against DOMA on a courageous stand in favor of same sex marriage mythology Feb 2016 #39

And where in all that did he say he opposed marriage equality? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #41

The both EVOLVED fun n serious Feb 2016 #43

When did he say he opposed it? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #44

Here fun n serious Feb 2016 #46

That's the blogger's opinion, I provided the transcript, point out where he said he opposed it. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author fun n serious Feb 2016 #49

What a pant load. SamKnause Feb 2016 #32

I have always been for same sex marriage since I can remember.. fun n serious Feb 2016 #45

Why don't we wait until she finishes evolving? nichomachus Feb 2016 #53

Bernie advocates revolution, hillary continual evolution. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #5

Are you implying that you would respect her more if she was against marriage equality? LonePirate Feb 2016 #6

I would respect her if she stuck to a position... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #7

You're admitting you would respect her more if she maintained her old anti-marriage equality stance? LonePirate Feb 2016 #8

Yep...that would mean that she actually stood for something once... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #9

I thought only Repubs preferred candidates to stick to a position instead of doing the right thing LonePirate Feb 2016 #11

she has steadfastly denied she was ever against gay marriage noiretextatique Feb 2016 #16

When did she deny that she was ever against marriage equality? LonePirate Feb 2016 #40

in 2013 she was finally for gay marriage noiretextatique Feb 2016 #69

Technically, that is not a denial of her previous statements/position. LonePirate Feb 2016 #70

technically, it is..but noiretextatique Feb 2016 #71

A denial is something like "I never said that." Her words do not even approach that. LonePirate Feb 2016 #73

Beyond strange. stevenleser Feb 2016 #10

yes...it is crazy. noiretextatique Feb 2016 #18

I would respect the claim of evolution if any evolution was shown. jeff47 Feb 2016 #12

So without evidence, there is no evolution? LonePirate Feb 2016 #13

Again, she has a history. jeff47 Feb 2016 #15

So it's wrong for someone to adopt a more progressive position than what they believed previously? LonePirate Feb 2016 #19

Nope. Try reading what I said again. jeff47 Feb 2016 #22

What difference does it make what she believed before if she is for the progressive position now? LonePirate Feb 2016 #24

Because 99% of being president is behind closed doors. jeff47 Feb 2016 #26

You're suggesting she would sign an anti-marriage equality bill passed by a Repub Congress. LonePirate Feb 2016 #35

No, I'm not suggesting yet another strawman. jeff47 Feb 2016 #37

i would not respect her even if she admitted she was against gay marriage noiretextatique Feb 2016 #14

I'd respect her more if she got it right the first time... Ino Feb 2016 #34

Was Bernie a supporter of marriage equality in his late teen age years? LonePirate Feb 2016 #36

Do you have proof he was against it? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #38

Unless his first opinion on the issue back in the 60s was in favor it, then he has evolved. LonePirate Feb 2016 #48

Nope, you claimed he evolved so it's up to you to prove he opposed it. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #51

I never claimed he evolved. I asked if his first opinion on the topic was in support of it. LonePirate Feb 2016 #54

So you have no proof he evolved or needed to evolve. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #55

What difference does it make when she changed her mind? LonePirate Feb 2016 #56

It makes a difference because she pretends to be a champion but wasn't. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #57

You're changing the discussion. LonePirate Feb 2016 #58

Obviously not. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #60

It's your choice to be hung up on words from a decade ago. LonePirate Feb 2016 #63

I'm not "hung up" on them, I said her opposition to equality matters to me. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #66

It does matter when and why. Ino Feb 2016 #59

It matters to you. It does not matter to me. LonePirate Feb 2016 #61

But if I have the choice... Ino Feb 2016 #65

I don't define leadership with time qualifiers. LonePirate Feb 2016 #68

Lost time... Ino Feb 2016 #74

You seem to be only concerned about the past. I prefer to focus on the present and future. LonePirate Feb 2016 #75

I'm concerned about the past as it informs & predicts the present and future. Ino Feb 2016 #76

Thank you. Some people 840high Feb 2016 #64

Well said. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #67

Or is she lying? She called marriage a "Sacred" bond between a man and a woman. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #21

Bernie Sanders Claims He’s a Longtime Champion of Marriage Equality. It’s Just Not True. fun n serious Feb 2016 #27

The blogger lied, Bernie never opposed marriage equality. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #30

I find this part: one_voice Feb 2016 #50

And he explained that, he wanted states to be able to pass it without being overturned by the feds. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #52

Yup yup... finger meet wind! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #62

What the heck is wrong with some of you SheenaR Feb 2016 #72