2016 Postmortem

lark

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100. It's called politics and it happens all the time.

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:40 AM

Feb 2016

Hello, didn't anyone notice that he's running against an institution in Democratic politics? Did anyone think that Clinton would roll over, that she wouldn't fight this as hard as humanly possible, bringing in every gunner she could find to attack Bernie? It's not a conspiracy, it's just plain old American bare knuckled politics. I love Bernie, but I certainly always expected that he would get shredded through this process, or at least that's what his opponents would try to do. This is nothing compared to what the Repugs would level against him if we are so lucky to have him as the general candidate. Communism, red scare, Russia, China, Europe (oh my) will be much of what we hear, and who knows what other total lies they will bring to bear, but we know it will be something and something really fierce.

Politics is a sickening blood sport in this country.

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Maddow (aka Mrs. Selective Outrage) is a LIAR [View all] Skwmom Feb 2016 OP

We Us Together - Vs - No Can't And Impossible -- The Choice Is Clear cantbeserious Feb 2016 #1

All those that abandoned Obama for failing to magically implement their policy wishes Chico Man Feb 2016 #102

No magic involved. We wanted to see him actually try, not shrug his shoulders and draw lines in GoneFishin Feb 2016 #121

+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #123

Thank You! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #134

To think Obama hasn't tried.. Chico Man Feb 2016 #135

Feel you. But he was somewhat disingenuous on climate change.. allowing SoS HRC to push fracking cleopotrick Feb 2016 #141

what a bizarre understanding of President Obama's tenure in office geek tragedy Feb 2016 #150

Yes, many of us were naive to think Obama wasn't a corporatist. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #127

The real work is at the state and local level Chico Man Feb 2016 #132

It is naive to think that presidential election can have such a monumental impact. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #152

I agree and disagree. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #159

The Difference Between BO And Bernie Is That Bernie Actually Means What He Says... CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #192

How did you feel about BO in 2008? Chico Man Feb 2016 #193

free tuition, single payer, and other rainbows and unicorns are coming their way.... AlbertCat Feb 2016 #148

We do Chico Man Feb 2016 #164

We do AlbertCat Feb 2016 #165

This is the truth. Nothing in the world is free... anotherproletariat Feb 2016 #206

The Democratic Party wants Hillary. DRI Feb 2016 #104

How? Chico Man Feb 2016 #112

This place reminds me of 1960s China SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #137

It's a conspiracy! I can't tell you the amount of people involved in this... you just boston bean Feb 2016 #2

The corporations own the media and the hacks dance to their tune to keep their jobs. Why do you Skwmom Feb 2016 #4

So murky Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #19

Of course jpb33 Feb 2016 #68

Sorry to say her hole card was peeped when she stay on at MSNBC . . . brush Feb 2016 #142

Because nobody watched his show? 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #59

And he was boring? SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #107

You got that right. It was hard to watch. oasis Feb 2016 #124

There are a shitload of Neville Chamberlains in this world. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #69

Exactly right. zeemike Feb 2016 #89

Exactly, and handcuff is the word for it. That juicy corp. media salary appalachiablue Feb 2016 #128

And Keith Olbermann! cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #108

Ed was a one note Johnny. Good guy. Boring TV show redstateblues Feb 2016 #109

Mock Away,but.... Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #30

Well, against anyone who threatens to rock the corporate boat, yes. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #57

Glad to see RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #66

Might be. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #87

It's called politics and it happens all the time. lark Feb 2016 #100

This is nothing compared to what the Repugs would level against him AlbertCat Feb 2016 #160

don't forget that Bill didn't have to get the most votes as in 50+%... islandmkl Feb 2016 #219

You sound more and more desperate every day. I love it!!! nt Logical Feb 2016 #118

The gravy train is long and meandering. But all the riders are making money and don't want it to GoneFishin Feb 2016 #125

Such is life in the Bernie Bubble JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #143

Your post was alerted. Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #166

I've KNOWN It For A Very, Very Long Time... I Even Said Quite ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #184

We really are an oligarchy. Bought and sold.... MaeScott Feb 2016 #3

Listen to President Jimmy Carter agree with you! Akamai Feb 2016 #16

Backed up by empirical data kristopher Feb 2016 #31

Thom Hartmann has been discussing this research for well over Akamai Feb 2016 #153

I heard that live. It blew me away. I never imagined I would hear words of truth like that corkhead Feb 2016 #50

Rachel has a mortgage and other bills, the boss speaks you do whatever..n/t monmouth4 Feb 2016 #5

Meh, I'd say Rachel has 15, 20 million bucks and thus any financial pressure she feels is imaginary. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #17

I say it's not a pressure, but she likes the way things are. Nyan Feb 2016 #74

sadly, that about sums it up. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #76

Exactly. I think she craves being close to power. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #106

Yes and it's very heady to be in a clique, especially one with some of the most powerful snagglepuss Feb 2016 #146

I don't mind her opinion Tab Feb 2016 #6

I agree with you 100% I feel like I am being scolded. BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #7

Yes, that's the exact term Tab Feb 2016 #11

That's how I feel MissDeeds Feb 2016 #41

It's funny how EVERYONE else is now a liar. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #8

Not liars. Just water carriers for those who butter their bread. nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #12

Sell outs then. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #18

Why do you think the people are - and this is fact - powerless? kristopher Feb 2016 #34

So there is undue influence of money Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #44

They are playing a part. kristopher Feb 2016 #64

To this, add the notion that all presidents since late 70s have been Reaganites. immoderate Feb 2016 #191

Money = political influence and power. No money = no influence and no power. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #204

I think a lot of people think that being a citizen means more than indentured servitude. nt kristopher Feb 2016 #207

It damn well should be onecaliberal Feb 2016 #210

The poutrage is strong in this one. Fearless Feb 2016 #28

Yes, I'm pouting while I write Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #43

Maybe the commenter did not know you are a woman? ms liberty Feb 2016 #79

Indeed Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #99

So you knowingly and deliberately trivialized sexism ms liberty Feb 2016 #175

Oh dear Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #176

+1.nt Snotcicles Feb 2016 #105

^^^This. artislife Feb 2016 #163

"progressives" - LOL Only one of those ever did much beyond run their mouth. Look jtuck004 Feb 2016 #37

The wheels of the bus go round and round... nt. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #45

And liars do too. n/t jtuck004 Feb 2016 #48

Well being progressive is a rough road for all of us. peace13 Feb 2016 #70

After Chris Hayes' show yesterday, add Luis Gutierrez cheapdate Feb 2016 #83

This post is about journalists. So I'll ask you these questions. Nyan Feb 2016 #91

I don't really give a damn about the MSM Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #103

So that's your answer to questions that I laid out? "I don't give a damn" about it? Nyan Feb 2016 #129

The "it" here is the MSM Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #173

Okay...First of all, chill a little bit. Nyan Feb 2016 #188

Shultz' numbers were horrible. I like him but his numbers were really bad. stevenleser Feb 2016 #194

Cenk's show was unwatchable. bettyellen Feb 2016 #212

The Revolution is highly invested in its serendipitous proxy war. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #110

We have a disagreement on who is throwing whom under the bus here. nt Snotcicles Feb 2016 #116

Sanders doesn't even pass thier litmus for a progressive uponit7771 Feb 2016 #200

Well said Dem2 Feb 2016 #211

Is there no end to the conspiracies people will invent against Sanders? mythology Feb 2016 #9

It is not a conspiracy and her represetation is not supported by the FACTS. Skwmom Feb 2016 #10

Here are some examples. kristopher Feb 2016 #53

It's pretty disappointing... Merryland Feb 2016 #58

Randi Rhodes has felt that way about Rachel Maddow since the Air America days. Snotcicles Feb 2016 #126

And pretty much every word you wrote is correct. Nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #213

Damn ......thinking a white, male Senator from a racially homogenous state who voted to protect msanthrope Feb 2016 #13

Iraq War vote, NAFTA, TPP, paleotn Feb 2016 #32

You forgot Vincent Foster and the Mena airport. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #33

Put down the strawman and please respond to the positions I listed. paleotn Feb 2016 #39

Lighten up, Francis. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #40

So let me get this straight... paleotn Feb 2016 #47

I didn't say if agreed or disagreed. I merely noted that a white, male Senator who voted to msanthrope Feb 2016 #52

But you critisize Bernie.... paleotn Feb 2016 #61

No......I merely note that Maddow is accurate. He's a politician. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #72

In honesty, I got your point from the start.... paleotn Feb 2016 #71

I know...that's why I went all Sargeant Hulka on you.....nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #73

And a member of one of the worlds most exclusive clubs for 25 years Lucinda Feb 2016 #185

Mrs.? betsuni Feb 2016 #14

That was my first thought. Pretty sure she's not married, though in a long term relationship. FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #62

You really have to go deeper and deeper to find something to be outraged about, don't you? randome Feb 2016 #15

Have you ever heard about him wanting to have Obama primaried? Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #20

He said it. He thought it might drag the POTUS back to the left a little. Vinca Feb 2016 #22

No, why don't you tell us about it? n/t A Simple Game Feb 2016 #60

Better than me telling you I will let Sanders tell you. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #80

This election season has shown me many things and one of those things Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #21

This is unreal. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #23

Maddow, Krugman, Clyburn, Lewis, Planned Parenthood, and on and on.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #24

Don't forget The Onion. betsuni Feb 2016 #26

This list is growing Gothmog Feb 2016 #46

After Chris Hayes' show yesterday, add Luis Guitierrez. cheapdate Feb 2016 #77

Until recently, I was a big fan. "Sellout" is now.. Duppers Feb 2016 #25

This is why I quit watching her newfie11 Feb 2016 #27

Or she has a different opinion than you. I mean that's at least a possibility, right? randome Feb 2016 #29

Not for them. They need a conspiracy because they want to save face and they want to create stevenleser Feb 2016 #215

Sorry that my opinion upsets you so newfie11 Feb 2016 #221

Do you watch Rachael and for how long newfie11 Feb 2016 #222

Unfortunately, Rachel has "evolved" MissDeeds Feb 2016 #51

Awww... quickesst Feb 2016 #35

How do you think she stays on MSNBC for so long.... paleotn Feb 2016 #36

Maddox is a HUGE dissapointment! Got it Feb 2016 #38

Jesus Christ at least have the decency to spell her name right giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #82

Are you calling me a liar? Got it Feb 2016 #90

Just making an observation. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #95

Yes... Got it Feb 2016 #98

You're a regular listener who doesn't know her name is "Maddow?" nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #119

MSNBC is Fox for liberals Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #42

In a little over an hour, this post has over 1300 views. RiverLover Feb 2016 #49

Rachael is fine. Some people just can't handle the truth. RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #54

The one commentator Madmiddle Feb 2016 #55

Holy shit, Maddow is now under the bus. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #56

With only herself to blame. Eom Got it Feb 2016 #93

HaHaHa, aren't you special. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #94

Guess jehop61 Feb 2016 #63

As pointed out upstream so many have turned. peace13 Feb 2016 #65

... NuclearDem Feb 2016 #67

It's getting crowded under that bus....!!!!!!!!!!!! nt MADem Feb 2016 #75

Its funny because if Bernie did win the nomination he would be depending on workinclasszero Feb 2016 #84

Building bridges all the way, isn't he? randome Feb 2016 #97

IKR? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #133

He'd likely have to make some promises to bring them back to any measure of enthusiasm. MADem Feb 2016 #157

Sell out stump speech The Wizard Feb 2016 #78

Bernie Sanders is a politician. betsuni Feb 2016 #81

its clear that camp weathervane has dangled an appt berningman Feb 2016 #85

And you figured that out SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #115

Not fair. People can form opinions long before they join DU. brush Feb 2016 #167

"Went Trump 24/7" ?? SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #169

Have you watched? brush Feb 2016 #170

News flash: SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #172

News flash yourself: I'm not the only perturbed that a formerly progressive network features Trump brush Feb 2016 #180

Oh yeah SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #181

I didn't say right winger. You did. I said she stayed when the network shifted right . . . brush Feb 2016 #189

The mainstream media is pretty unbearable at the moment. Merryland Feb 2016 #155

Rachael says what MSNBC wants her to say. She chooses to stay with the network. Sad really. jalan48 Feb 2016 #86

What would be funny is the fact that after all this INdemo Feb 2016 #88

You're gonna need a bigger bus. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #92

I love this! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2016 #101

This not a complicated moral dilemma. COMCAST has endorsed Hillary FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #111

Yes it is SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #117

Ethics......................................... turbinetree Feb 2016 #113

Bernie Sanders is a politician. That's his occupation. He happens to be very good at it geek tragedy Feb 2016 #114

There are a handful of very smart, level headed and reasonable Sanders supporters here stevenleser Feb 2016 #218

So now Rachel Maddow is a right wing sellout. See how toxic this has become? greenman3610 Feb 2016 #120

some people are fueled by hate. they don't represent a significant percentage of Bernie geek tragedy Feb 2016 #144

Is it hate or just an act? I can't imagine being hate-filled enough to FSogol Feb 2016 #158

it's typically what they do during non-primary season too nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #161

Why is she still on that network though, that has shifted hard to the right . . . brush Feb 2016 #168

I never thought I'd see Maddow attacked here on DU JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #122

The trashing of Our Democratic President on DU redstateblues Feb 2016 #136

Why is it an attack when it's the truth? Cleita Feb 2016 #147

I've never seen so much nonsense... JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #162

Sophistry usually has some truth in it uponit7771 Feb 2016 #201

I dunno, as a Hillary supporter, she strikes me as... Adrahil Feb 2016 #203

Wealthy "Democrats for Oligarchy", strategically placed. Zorra Feb 2016 #130

I have lost all respect for Maddow...she has become a total shill. SoapBox Feb 2016 #131

I agree that Bernie is an experienced politician. How else would an Independent social democrat Cleita Feb 2016 #138

So honest that he only joined the Democratic Party redstateblues Feb 2016 #208

He did it not to be a spoiler like Ross Perot or Ralph Nader did running Cleita Feb 2016 #209

I saw Maddow shilling for HRC left-of-center2012 Feb 2016 #139

2016 is a big test for America. The fact that Rachel Maddow seems Ron Green Feb 2016 #140

Rachel under the BernieBro bus itsrobert Feb 2016 #145

The best response is to stop watching her show and let her know why... raindaddy Feb 2016 #149

So many true progressives under that Sanders bus it can't drive no more. eom MohRokTah Feb 2016 #151

Hope you brought a big bus to keep throwing people under... JCMach1 Feb 2016 #154

They're diving under it themselves. nt Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #182

For the record, I am truly undecided and comfortable with either candidate... JCMach1 Feb 2016 #183

Well, for the record I haven't actually been one of those piling on the abuse... Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #196

NP, mostly stay out of GDP during the Primary... JCMach1 Feb 2016 #223

I didn't see any "outrage" or lying in Maddow's piece. DirkGently Feb 2016 #156

Bernie has been calling out the corporate media lately - YES RACHEL that includes you. And why jillan Feb 2016 #171

Everyone is corruptible by a paycheck. Comcast doesn't want Bernie. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #174

The BSers are running out of Dems/progressives to throw under the bus. stopbush Feb 2016 #177

And I just saw that BSer's were throwing people under the bus Politicalboi Feb 2016 #178

Rachel Maddow doesn't always say nice things about hilary, to my ears. Both sides can't win 100%.. dubyadiprecession Feb 2016 #179

So if Hillary wins does that mean those republicans decided to vote for Hillary because she will be jillan Feb 2016 #186

If you told me 6 months ago a Maddow trashing thread... joshcryer Feb 2016 #187

They've not only gone off the deep end, they're drilling new depths. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #214

If you had told me 6 mos ago Maddow would be shilling for a third way centrist RiverLover Feb 2016 #216

In the best sense, H2O Man Feb 2016 #190

So many thrown under the bus--do you have anybody left? book_worm Feb 2016 #195

Rachel destroyed DWS over superdelegates today. Change your mind? dsharp88 Feb 2016 #197

Perhaps job security, notoriety and living inside a bubble does that to you... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #198

Two words... Cornell West... Any questions? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #199

Yet, she keeps stating she is a liberal, to distinguish herself from supporters of Hillary. merrily Feb 2016 #202

Your last sentence warrprayer Feb 2016 #205

We're going to need a bigger bus! grossproffit Feb 2016 #217

are we talking about Rachel Maddow, the entertainer?...because that is all islandmkl Feb 2016 #220