2016 Postmortem

Nonhlanhla

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173. The "it" here is the MSM

Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:19 PM

Feb 2016

There's a reason why it's called the MAINstream media. That is also why I mostly ignore it. Within the MSM, though Rachel Maddow has long been considered a truly thoughtful and progressive voice. I am simply not comfortable to write her off as some stooge because she is not fawning over Bernie.

You folks need to get a bit of perspective. It's quite possible to be progressive and yet not be a Bernie supporter.

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Maddow (aka Mrs. Selective Outrage) is a LIAR [View all] Skwmom Feb 2016 OP

We Us Together - Vs - No Can't And Impossible -- The Choice Is Clear cantbeserious Feb 2016 #1

All those that abandoned Obama for failing to magically implement their policy wishes Chico Man Feb 2016 #102

No magic involved. We wanted to see him actually try, not shrug his shoulders and draw lines in GoneFishin Feb 2016 #121

+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #123

Thank You! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #134

To think Obama hasn't tried.. Chico Man Feb 2016 #135

Feel you. But he was somewhat disingenuous on climate change.. allowing SoS HRC to push fracking cleopotrick Feb 2016 #141

what a bizarre understanding of President Obama's tenure in office geek tragedy Feb 2016 #150

Yes, many of us were naive to think Obama wasn't a corporatist. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #127

The real work is at the state and local level Chico Man Feb 2016 #132

It is naive to think that presidential election can have such a monumental impact. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #152

I agree and disagree. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #159

The Difference Between BO And Bernie Is That Bernie Actually Means What He Says... CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #192

How did you feel about BO in 2008? Chico Man Feb 2016 #193

free tuition, single payer, and other rainbows and unicorns are coming their way.... AlbertCat Feb 2016 #148

We do Chico Man Feb 2016 #164

We do AlbertCat Feb 2016 #165

This is the truth. Nothing in the world is free... anotherproletariat Feb 2016 #206

The Democratic Party wants Hillary. DRI Feb 2016 #104

How? Chico Man Feb 2016 #112

This place reminds me of 1960s China SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #137

It's a conspiracy! I can't tell you the amount of people involved in this... you just boston bean Feb 2016 #2

The corporations own the media and the hacks dance to their tune to keep their jobs. Why do you Skwmom Feb 2016 #4

So murky Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #19

Of course jpb33 Feb 2016 #68

Sorry to say her hole card was peeped when she stay on at MSNBC . . . brush Feb 2016 #142

Because nobody watched his show? 72DejaVu Feb 2016 #59

And he was boring? SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #107

You got that right. It was hard to watch. oasis Feb 2016 #124

There are a shitload of Neville Chamberlains in this world. TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #69

Exactly right. zeemike Feb 2016 #89

Exactly, and handcuff is the word for it. That juicy corp. media salary appalachiablue Feb 2016 #128

And Keith Olbermann! cannabis_flower Feb 2016 #108

Ed was a one note Johnny. Good guy. Boring TV show redstateblues Feb 2016 #109

Mock Away,but.... Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #30

Well, against anyone who threatens to rock the corporate boat, yes. SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #57

Glad to see RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #66

Might be. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #87

It's called politics and it happens all the time. lark Feb 2016 #100

This is nothing compared to what the Repugs would level against him AlbertCat Feb 2016 #160

don't forget that Bill didn't have to get the most votes as in 50+%... islandmkl Feb 2016 #219

You sound more and more desperate every day. I love it!!! nt Logical Feb 2016 #118

The gravy train is long and meandering. But all the riders are making money and don't want it to GoneFishin Feb 2016 #125

Such is life in the Bernie Bubble JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #143

Your post was alerted. Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #166

I've KNOWN It For A Very, Very Long Time... I Even Said Quite ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #184

We really are an oligarchy. Bought and sold.... MaeScott Feb 2016 #3

Listen to President Jimmy Carter agree with you! Akamai Feb 2016 #16

Backed up by empirical data kristopher Feb 2016 #31

Thom Hartmann has been discussing this research for well over Akamai Feb 2016 #153

I heard that live. It blew me away. I never imagined I would hear words of truth like that corkhead Feb 2016 #50

Rachel has a mortgage and other bills, the boss speaks you do whatever..n/t monmouth4 Feb 2016 #5

Meh, I'd say Rachel has 15, 20 million bucks and thus any financial pressure she feels is imaginary. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #17

I say it's not a pressure, but she likes the way things are. Nyan Feb 2016 #74

sadly, that about sums it up. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #76

Exactly. I think she craves being close to power. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #106

Yes and it's very heady to be in a clique, especially one with some of the most powerful snagglepuss Feb 2016 #146

I don't mind her opinion Tab Feb 2016 #6

I agree with you 100% I feel like I am being scolded. BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #7

Yes, that's the exact term Tab Feb 2016 #11

That's how I feel MissDeeds Feb 2016 #41

It's funny how EVERYONE else is now a liar. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #8

Not liars. Just water carriers for those who butter their bread. nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #12

Sell outs then. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #18

Why do you think the people are - and this is fact - powerless? kristopher Feb 2016 #34

So there is undue influence of money Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #44

They are playing a part. kristopher Feb 2016 #64

To this, add the notion that all presidents since late 70s have been Reaganites. immoderate Feb 2016 #191

Money = political influence and power. No money = no influence and no power. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #204

I think a lot of people think that being a citizen means more than indentured servitude. nt kristopher Feb 2016 #207

It damn well should be onecaliberal Feb 2016 #210

The poutrage is strong in this one. Fearless Feb 2016 #28

Yes, I'm pouting while I write Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #43

Maybe the commenter did not know you are a woman? ms liberty Feb 2016 #79

Indeed Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #99

So you knowingly and deliberately trivialized sexism ms liberty Feb 2016 #175

Oh dear Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #176

+1.nt Snotcicles Feb 2016 #105

^^^This. artislife Feb 2016 #163

"progressives" - LOL Only one of those ever did much beyond run their mouth. Look jtuck004 Feb 2016 #37

The wheels of the bus go round and round... nt. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #45

And liars do too. n/t jtuck004 Feb 2016 #48

Well being progressive is a rough road for all of us. peace13 Feb 2016 #70

After Chris Hayes' show yesterday, add Luis Gutierrez cheapdate Feb 2016 #83

This post is about journalists. So I'll ask you these questions. Nyan Feb 2016 #91

I don't really give a damn about the MSM Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #103

So that's your answer to questions that I laid out? "I don't give a damn" about it? Nyan Feb 2016 #129

The "it" here is the MSM Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #173

Okay...First of all, chill a little bit. Nyan Feb 2016 #188

Shultz' numbers were horrible. I like him but his numbers were really bad. stevenleser Feb 2016 #194

Cenk's show was unwatchable. bettyellen Feb 2016 #212

The Revolution is highly invested in its serendipitous proxy war. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #110

We have a disagreement on who is throwing whom under the bus here. nt Snotcicles Feb 2016 #116

Sanders doesn't even pass thier litmus for a progressive uponit7771 Feb 2016 #200

Well said Dem2 Feb 2016 #211

Is there no end to the conspiracies people will invent against Sanders? mythology Feb 2016 #9

It is not a conspiracy and her represetation is not supported by the FACTS. Skwmom Feb 2016 #10

Here are some examples. kristopher Feb 2016 #53

It's pretty disappointing... Merryland Feb 2016 #58

Randi Rhodes has felt that way about Rachel Maddow since the Air America days. Snotcicles Feb 2016 #126

And pretty much every word you wrote is correct. Nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #213

Damn ......thinking a white, male Senator from a racially homogenous state who voted to protect msanthrope Feb 2016 #13

Iraq War vote, NAFTA, TPP, paleotn Feb 2016 #32

You forgot Vincent Foster and the Mena airport. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #33

Put down the strawman and please respond to the positions I listed. paleotn Feb 2016 #39

Lighten up, Francis. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #40

So let me get this straight... paleotn Feb 2016 #47

I didn't say if agreed or disagreed. I merely noted that a white, male Senator who voted to msanthrope Feb 2016 #52

But you critisize Bernie.... paleotn Feb 2016 #61

No......I merely note that Maddow is accurate. He's a politician. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #72

In honesty, I got your point from the start.... paleotn Feb 2016 #71

I know...that's why I went all Sargeant Hulka on you.....nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #73

And a member of one of the worlds most exclusive clubs for 25 years Lucinda Feb 2016 #185

Mrs.? betsuni Feb 2016 #14

That was my first thought. Pretty sure she's not married, though in a long term relationship. FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #62

You really have to go deeper and deeper to find something to be outraged about, don't you? randome Feb 2016 #15

Have you ever heard about him wanting to have Obama primaried? Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #20

He said it. He thought it might drag the POTUS back to the left a little. Vinca Feb 2016 #22

No, why don't you tell us about it? n/t A Simple Game Feb 2016 #60

Better than me telling you I will let Sanders tell you. Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #80

This election season has shown me many things and one of those things Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #21

This is unreal. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #23

Maddow, Krugman, Clyburn, Lewis, Planned Parenthood, and on and on.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #24

Don't forget The Onion. betsuni Feb 2016 #26

This list is growing Gothmog Feb 2016 #46

After Chris Hayes' show yesterday, add Luis Guitierrez. cheapdate Feb 2016 #77

Until recently, I was a big fan. "Sellout" is now.. Duppers Feb 2016 #25

This is why I quit watching her newfie11 Feb 2016 #27

Or she has a different opinion than you. I mean that's at least a possibility, right? randome Feb 2016 #29

Not for them. They need a conspiracy because they want to save face and they want to create stevenleser Feb 2016 #215

Sorry that my opinion upsets you so newfie11 Feb 2016 #221

Do you watch Rachael and for how long newfie11 Feb 2016 #222

Unfortunately, Rachel has "evolved" MissDeeds Feb 2016 #51

Awww... quickesst Feb 2016 #35

How do you think she stays on MSNBC for so long.... paleotn Feb 2016 #36

Maddox is a HUGE dissapointment! Got it Feb 2016 #38

Jesus Christ at least have the decency to spell her name right giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #82

Are you calling me a liar? Got it Feb 2016 #90

Just making an observation. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #95

Yes... Got it Feb 2016 #98

You're a regular listener who doesn't know her name is "Maddow?" nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #119

MSNBC is Fox for liberals Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #42

In a little over an hour, this post has over 1300 views. RiverLover Feb 2016 #49

Rachael is fine. Some people just can't handle the truth. RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #54

The one commentator Madmiddle Feb 2016 #55

Holy shit, Maddow is now under the bus. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #56

With only herself to blame. Eom Got it Feb 2016 #93

HaHaHa, aren't you special. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #94

Guess jehop61 Feb 2016 #63

As pointed out upstream so many have turned. peace13 Feb 2016 #65

... NuclearDem Feb 2016 #67

It's getting crowded under that bus....!!!!!!!!!!!! nt MADem Feb 2016 #75

Its funny because if Bernie did win the nomination he would be depending on workinclasszero Feb 2016 #84

Building bridges all the way, isn't he? randome Feb 2016 #97

IKR? workinclasszero Feb 2016 #133

He'd likely have to make some promises to bring them back to any measure of enthusiasm. MADem Feb 2016 #157

Sell out stump speech The Wizard Feb 2016 #78

Bernie Sanders is a politician. betsuni Feb 2016 #81

its clear that camp weathervane has dangled an appt berningman Feb 2016 #85

And you figured that out SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #115

Not fair. People can form opinions long before they join DU. brush Feb 2016 #167

"Went Trump 24/7" ?? SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #169

Have you watched? brush Feb 2016 #170

News flash: SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #172

News flash yourself: I'm not the only perturbed that a formerly progressive network features Trump brush Feb 2016 #180

Oh yeah SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #181

I didn't say right winger. You did. I said she stayed when the network shifted right . . . brush Feb 2016 #189

The mainstream media is pretty unbearable at the moment. Merryland Feb 2016 #155

Rachael says what MSNBC wants her to say. She chooses to stay with the network. Sad really. jalan48 Feb 2016 #86

What would be funny is the fact that after all this INdemo Feb 2016 #88

You're gonna need a bigger bus. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #92

I love this! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2016 #101

This not a complicated moral dilemma. COMCAST has endorsed Hillary FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #111

Yes it is SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #117

Ethics......................................... turbinetree Feb 2016 #113

Bernie Sanders is a politician. That's his occupation. He happens to be very good at it geek tragedy Feb 2016 #114

There are a handful of very smart, level headed and reasonable Sanders supporters here stevenleser Feb 2016 #218

So now Rachel Maddow is a right wing sellout. See how toxic this has become? greenman3610 Feb 2016 #120

some people are fueled by hate. they don't represent a significant percentage of Bernie geek tragedy Feb 2016 #144

Is it hate or just an act? I can't imagine being hate-filled enough to FSogol Feb 2016 #158

it's typically what they do during non-primary season too nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #161

Why is she still on that network though, that has shifted hard to the right . . . brush Feb 2016 #168

I never thought I'd see Maddow attacked here on DU JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #122

The trashing of Our Democratic President on DU redstateblues Feb 2016 #136

Why is it an attack when it's the truth? Cleita Feb 2016 #147

I've never seen so much nonsense... JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #162

Sophistry usually has some truth in it uponit7771 Feb 2016 #201

I dunno, as a Hillary supporter, she strikes me as... Adrahil Feb 2016 #203

Wealthy "Democrats for Oligarchy", strategically placed. Zorra Feb 2016 #130

I have lost all respect for Maddow...she has become a total shill. SoapBox Feb 2016 #131

I agree that Bernie is an experienced politician. How else would an Independent social democrat Cleita Feb 2016 #138

So honest that he only joined the Democratic Party redstateblues Feb 2016 #208

He did it not to be a spoiler like Ross Perot or Ralph Nader did running Cleita Feb 2016 #209

I saw Maddow shilling for HRC left-of-center2012 Feb 2016 #139

2016 is a big test for America. The fact that Rachel Maddow seems Ron Green Feb 2016 #140

Rachel under the BernieBro bus itsrobert Feb 2016 #145

The best response is to stop watching her show and let her know why... raindaddy Feb 2016 #149

So many true progressives under that Sanders bus it can't drive no more. eom MohRokTah Feb 2016 #151

Hope you brought a big bus to keep throwing people under... JCMach1 Feb 2016 #154

They're diving under it themselves. nt Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #182

For the record, I am truly undecided and comfortable with either candidate... JCMach1 Feb 2016 #183

Well, for the record I haven't actually been one of those piling on the abuse... Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #196

NP, mostly stay out of GDP during the Primary... JCMach1 Feb 2016 #223

I didn't see any "outrage" or lying in Maddow's piece. DirkGently Feb 2016 #156

Bernie has been calling out the corporate media lately - YES RACHEL that includes you. And why jillan Feb 2016 #171

Everyone is corruptible by a paycheck. Comcast doesn't want Bernie. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #174

The BSers are running out of Dems/progressives to throw under the bus. stopbush Feb 2016 #177

And I just saw that BSer's were throwing people under the bus Politicalboi Feb 2016 #178

Rachel Maddow doesn't always say nice things about hilary, to my ears. Both sides can't win 100%.. dubyadiprecession Feb 2016 #179

So if Hillary wins does that mean those republicans decided to vote for Hillary because she will be jillan Feb 2016 #186

If you told me 6 months ago a Maddow trashing thread... joshcryer Feb 2016 #187

They've not only gone off the deep end, they're drilling new depths. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #214

If you had told me 6 mos ago Maddow would be shilling for a third way centrist RiverLover Feb 2016 #216

In the best sense, H2O Man Feb 2016 #190

So many thrown under the bus--do you have anybody left? book_worm Feb 2016 #195

Rachel destroyed DWS over superdelegates today. Change your mind? dsharp88 Feb 2016 #197

Perhaps job security, notoriety and living inside a bubble does that to you... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #198

Two words... Cornell West... Any questions? tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #199

Yet, she keeps stating she is a liberal, to distinguish herself from supporters of Hillary. merrily Feb 2016 #202

Your last sentence warrprayer Feb 2016 #205

We're going to need a bigger bus! grossproffit Feb 2016 #217

are we talking about Rachel Maddow, the entertainer?...because that is all islandmkl Feb 2016 #220