2016 Postmortem

AgingAmerican

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102. Blah blah blah

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #98)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:42 AM

Feb 2016

You can't refute me, so you attempt to call me a racist.

Bye.

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The African American vote in the Democratic party has the same power as the Evangelical vote in the [View all] Yavin4 Feb 2016 OP

agree mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #1

Evangelicals make up ~50% of primary voters in GOP kcjohn1 Feb 2016 #3

It's the same impact in key states Yavin4 Feb 2016 #8

It is not kcjohn1 Feb 2016 #15

I wouldn't want a revolution without African Americans and Latinos on my side en masse. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #2

Last time Latinos were on Clintons side kcjohn1 Feb 2016 #4

And the most progressive candidate will always be the most anti-racist candidate. Ken Burch Feb 2016 #39

Revolution? trillion Feb 2016 #71

that's all well and good but is it enough to win the GE? azurnoir Feb 2016 #5

As they say in sports, you have to make the playoffs to win the championship Yavin4 Feb 2016 #6

non sequitur is it enough to win her the GE? azurnoir Feb 2016 #7

No. It's not. But any Dem running for president needs a strong AA turnout. Yavin4 Feb 2016 #9

oh so there's a formula now okay so you're condident she'll win the GE I take it? azurnoir Feb 2016 #10

You didn't know that campaigns run all of these stats from past elections and try to get stevenleser Feb 2016 #19

need and get are 2 very different things azurnoir Feb 2016 #26

I'm a woman and she doesn't get me. trillion Feb 2016 #93

No Dem can win without it. Kaleva Feb 2016 #20

is it enough? was it for Kerry? azurnoir Feb 2016 #24

Let's not minimalize the black vote. It's not liberal or progessive behavior. trillion Feb 2016 #75

Thank you for that bravenak Feb 2016 #76

it's not minimizing to ask a question where the answer could be an inconvenient truth azurnoir Feb 2016 #79

Okay. But it seems demeaning. trillion Feb 2016 #82

because Hillary's super pac wasn't the subject of the thread and my comment wasn't demeaning azurnoir Feb 2016 #85

I think everybody understood what you were saying the first time. trillion Feb 2016 #96

hyperbole much I actually agreed with the premise of the thread azurnoir Feb 2016 #100

I don't "prove" my liberalism. I stand on it. trillion Feb 2016 #107

I am sorry that simple facts offend you perhaps that offense would be nbetter spent on the candidate azurnoir Feb 2016 #109

The last two democratic presidents vdogg Feb 2016 #154

My point was the difference between the primaries and the GE you speak of this as if it were 1 man azurnoir Feb 2016 #162

Whites tend to vote Repub. Even in California. Kaleva Feb 2016 #165

when it comes to GE aggregate stats don't matter much the electoral collage sadly does azurnoir Feb 2016 #166

They should get a lot more than they have artislife Feb 2016 #11

You assume Sanders got in believing he could win firebrand80 Feb 2016 #12

He wanted to keep the right from framing the conversation in this election Matariki Feb 2016 #17

Naivete has nothing to do with it Jarqui Feb 2016 #13

most likely it's about electability woolldog Feb 2016 #30

Most likely they are scared of the Clinton's corporate money. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #81

I don't see it as fear, I see it as resolve. joshcryer Feb 2016 #112

Do you know what demographic has the greatest challenge getting into politics? Fumesucker Feb 2016 #123

Yeah... joshcryer Feb 2016 #125

One of my kids married into a local political family Fumesucker Feb 2016 #130

Plutocracy in action. joshcryer Feb 2016 #131

Great response Josh. PragmaticLiberal Feb 2016 #161

Keith Ellison endorses Bernie brentspeak Feb 2016 #14

1 out of 5 black voters support Bernie Sanders... That's millions of invisible people Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #59

It is classic identity politics -- you are a racist/sexist if you don't have the right coalition JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #116

Then he'll have no problem Saturday in South Carolina? brooklynite Feb 2016 #153

No he's gonna get his ass kicked in South Carolina. Hillary will get like 80% Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #156

Most elected officials are part of the establishment... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #16

He did try. But black people just aren't that into Bernie Sanders. They like Hillary better. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #18

he hasn't formed the relationships with the black community over the past several decades geek tragedy Feb 2016 #21

Black people sure do love Hillary Clinton for some reason. Just look at the polls. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #22

I don't think it's love, but I can't speak for them. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #23

Probably she is seen as more electable and a known thing. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #27

pretty much. Bernie Sanders is a nice guy who means what he says and means well. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #28

More likely she is seen ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #68

Most of the people I talk with think electability is a top issue. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #72

Electability is always a top issue. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #80

Except Clinton is absolutely unelectable. People dislike her the more they get to know her. w4rma Feb 2016 #83

Yeah. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #94

Clinton supporters are whistling past their graveyard. w4rma Feb 2016 #97

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It is a bit of the which came first: the chicken or the egg problem Jarqui Feb 2016 #32

Obama knew how to reach that community, having been part of it himself. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #33

We've had kind of the opposite thing that went against Bernie in this contest: Jarqui Feb 2016 #34

I think it's more that Lewis has strong ties to the Clintons. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #35

Agreed. But the blacks largely seem to vote as a block Jarqui Feb 2016 #49

It's the same as it always is: Corporatist vs. Populist. Follow the money. w4rma Feb 2016 #84

Perfect! Could not have state it any better, my friend. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #55

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She has it locked up thanks solely to Bill Clinton brentspeak Feb 2016 #25

actually, Hillary is liked much more than Bill is. Hillary is the one that introducted Bill JI7 Feb 2016 #47

THANK YOU bravenak Feb 2016 #54

he had to do a lot more than he has done, Obama did a lot more and started much earlier also JI7 Feb 2016 #46

Go ahead. Divide and conquer. And the GOP will conquer us. Armstead Feb 2016 #29

Divide and conquer sounds like "Don't make me uncomfortable" vs what is really happening uponit7771 Feb 2016 #37

NO it sounds like divide the electorate into little groups instead of trying to build.... Armstead Feb 2016 #38

Sanders associating his campaign with someone who call Obama "n-word-izzed" .... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #42

NO aside from his differences with Obama, West has been very much in line with AA concerns Armstead Feb 2016 #44

Armstead, the "n-word-izzed" label from West was the nice stuff. PoC like Obama, continuing his uponit7771 Feb 2016 #48

Just take "yes" for an answer and move on Armstead Feb 2016 #50

Associating himself with West who bashed Obama from Day #1, and it was personal. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #56

Jesus K Rist -- How many times does it take to say something simple? Armstead Feb 2016 #58

Armstead, YES HE DID call for a primary more than once!!! It is well documented and it wasn't .... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #126

It's not a good look. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #132

Why is pointing out a critical flaw in campaign strategy always challenged as "divide and conquer"? brooklynite Feb 2016 #151

Because it has been cast in those terms from the beginning, and not accidentally Armstead Feb 2016 #155

Sanders was unknown to EVERYONE... brooklynite Feb 2016 #157

He is steadily gaining support against a campaign of demionization Armstead Feb 2016 #159

"Steadily gaining support" brooklynite Feb 2016 #160

Time and logistics Armstead Feb 2016 #163

Sanders is indeed a good man...and Clinton is a good woman brooklynite Feb 2016 #164

You are correct noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #31

Sanders had Cornell West, I mean... doesn't West qualify as at least prominent?! tia uponit7771 Feb 2016 #36

Why are you so obsessed with Dr. West? Ken Burch Feb 2016 #40

You'll soon find out... sigh uponit7771 Feb 2016 #41

You're saying that Bernie has to ditch Dr. West before he can get AA votes? Ken Burch Feb 2016 #43

No, Sanders should cling to West ... who called Obama "n-word-izzed"... while Clinton uponit7771 Feb 2016 #45

To be honest, its all he could get as far as "prominent support" nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #51

Wrong he's had a lot of prominent people come out for him and your dis of West is offensive. trillion Feb 2016 #73

Hopefully, West is petulant at best...he's not the guy I would want around my campaign uponit7771 Feb 2016 #122

West is an opportunistic blowhard. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #129

So basically, are you saying because Sanders doesn't court the black vote he can't have it? trillion Feb 2016 #86

Establishing a relationship well before votes are needed isn't "courting" and I'll vote for HRC uponit7771 Feb 2016 #124

Actually, you're not standing up to anything Hillary has done here. trillion Feb 2016 #142

The first part of this retort was full of unneeded ad homs.. Sanders can throw no stones, NONE... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #147

I appologize. On re reading my post, it was hominems uncalled for. trillion Feb 2016 #148

I do, Hillary... IMHO... is NOT the same person she was 8 years ago. I can understand someone uponit7771 Feb 2016 #149

I have to google him on that. trillion Feb 2016 #150

There are many different types of establishments ... on of them being power structure... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #152

I wouldn't bet on that rbrnmw Feb 2016 #66

Early on people were often doing the calculus to win it without. Indies were to replace them. bettyellen Feb 2016 #52

Yep. Taking black voters for granted is a losing strategy. For some reason, many people cannot Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #57

I was surprised people thought getting back old dems and indies was more important.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #60

More divide and conquer bullshit Armstead Feb 2016 #61

I am relaying conversation I had with friends who were early and staunch Sanders supporters. bettyellen Feb 2016 #62

SBS has a history of not playing into the hands of the GOP Armstead Feb 2016 #63

Oh I know the reasoning- but down playing his support for some to widen his base to gain more social bettyellen Feb 2016 #67

I disagree totally...but burning the midnight oil for work Armstead Feb 2016 #69

Well the guys who told me this have been following Sanders for many years..... bettyellen Feb 2016 #74

which of course means that was the strategy Bernie was following.... JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #119

that is what I am talking about- his historical avoidance of "wedge issues" bettyellen Feb 2016 #120

No my point is you projected what a few people were talking about onto his campaign strategy JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #121

well except for him (and fans) actually avoiding racism issues and pivoting to economics instead bettyellen Feb 2016 #170

I agree bravenak Feb 2016 #53

Bernie has been fighting hard for their vote jfern Feb 2016 #64

Yes. And he hasn't kept running to them and lying to them. trillion Feb 2016 #77

Which means they also have the power to sink it AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #65

Which they have done exactly never nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #87

Hillary AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #88

So you've already started to blame a 2016 loss on black people geek tragedy Feb 2016 #89

A small subset of AAs are hellbent on ruining Sanders campaign AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #90

Racial scapegoating: not just for Trump voters geek tragedy Feb 2016 #92

They openly brag about it AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #95

Many white people show their true feelings towards African-Americans when geek tragedy Feb 2016 #98

Blah blah blah AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #102

You outed yourself as someone nakedly hostile to black people geek tragedy Feb 2016 #104

It's election math AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #105

People can read what you wrote, you know? geek tragedy Feb 2016 #108

And you cannot refute it AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #110

You're the one who's preemptively blaming black people geek tragedy Feb 2016 #111

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This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Feb 2016 #139

I misread. I apologize. Matt_R Feb 2016 #140

Peace nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #141

so the majority of white people who vote Republican are not to blame ? JI7 Feb 2016 #113

Notice how they characterize black folks exercising independent judgment as geek tragedy Feb 2016 #114

Forcing Hillary down the throats of Democrats, yes AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #144

black voters are NOT forcing Hillary down anyone's throat geek tragedy Feb 2016 #145

For a small subset of AAs trying to sink Sanders campaign? AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #143

so you think the 5-10 pro-Hillary black people at DU are going geek tragedy Feb 2016 #146

So, hang on. snot Feb 2016 #118

1/2 the Blacks are voting for Bernie in South Carolina in the last poll I saw. trillion Feb 2016 #70

I don't know what polls you've been looking at. Hillary is beating Sanders by something like Number23 Feb 2016 #115

The AA vote is the most reliable bloc for any party, period. joshcryer Feb 2016 #78

Did you see the Jesse Helms impersonation up thread? nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #99

Didn't read the whole thing. joshcryer Feb 2016 #103

might as well. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #106

I have to agree. I find the dismissive comments on the black vote to be offensive and wrong. trillion Feb 2016 #101

But he did have a prominent black supporter. Keith Ellison. But for some reason he appears to have Number23 Feb 2016 #117

Keith Ellison is a very high quality proxy to deploy. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #158

As much as I like Ben Jealous I still think that Ellison would have been a much better Number23 Feb 2016 #167

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Good analysis Gothmog Feb 2016 #135

I actually agree that forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #168

Danny Glover, Michelle Alexander, Ta-Nehisi Coates intheflow Feb 2016 #169