2016 Postmortem

mikehiggins

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259. I can conceive of people having a differant point of view. I cannot understand people

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:20 AM

Feb 2016

who can ignore the evidence of their own eyes because of a belief in a person.

The article tracing the history of the bill HRC blasted Sanders for voting for and the fact that the Goldman Sachs guy who originated the part that benefited his firm AND which was slid into the budget bill after failing to be voted for on its own AND the fact that President CLinton signed the bill AND the fact that he is now the Finance Director of her campaign are all traceable facts.

They are either true or not. My problem with posts like yours is that they simply ignore the facts, just like they ignore any number of other flaws with the Anointed One.

Secretary CLinton said today that people have trouble figuring out whether she is running to help them or to help herself. The problem is so many people have decided on an answer to that, and the debate is not turning out well for her.

We'll see all of you people in Philadelphia.

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THIS is who they want to put in the Whitehouse? Really?!? [View all] Bubzer Feb 2016 OP

I agree. There's no there there that I would support, not on the substantial issues of the day. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #1

Actually LeFleur1 Feb 2016 #65

What is false about the list???? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #92

I know! I know! I know why that list is false! Plucketeer Feb 2016 #282

Actually, it's not...but you knew that. Bubzer Feb 2016 #97

You think that list is false? Not only is it true but it is just a partial list. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #159

Hartmann's list is repeated below. You say it is false. Please go over each, item by item, and Cal33 Feb 2016 #187

You will never, and I mean NEVER, get a response to your request. Old Crow Feb 2016 #238

Tunnelvision scottie55 Feb 2016 #242

And that's as substantive as a Clinton support ever gets when discussing issues. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #243

the list looks true to me haydukelives Feb 2016 #249

What Bernie supporters fail to see EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #2

Try again shenmue Feb 2016 #6

they don't care Robbins Feb 2016 #9

It is all about this: earthside Feb 2016 #30

It's a freakin' cult. dchill Feb 2016 #32

The same could be said for Bernie supporters CorkySt.Clair Feb 2016 #49

Sure, except it wouldn't be true. dchill Feb 2016 #54

No, many of us were Warren supporters dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #72

Yea, I guess you are right, i wouldn't feel good about giving secret speeches either nolabels Feb 2016 #80

No. The same cannot be said of Bernie supporters. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #99

No, Kucinich supporters.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #103

I could give a rats ass about Bernies personality Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #127

As if Hillary's personality is sooo charming... freebrew Feb 2016 #275

Church of Clintontology. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #56

Ha! Nice one! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #255

It's all about electing the first female president gyroscope Feb 2016 #42

"it's all about her" true, and of course her becoming a multimillionaire Dragonfli Feb 2016 #261

Excellent graphic. earthside Feb 2016 #273

Sure, I spent a great deal of time on it, I hope someone uses it. /nt Dragonfli Feb 2016 #288

And if "her" was "him" sammythecat Feb 2016 #286

I am a Hillary supporter Tommy2Tone Feb 2016 #27

Touché. earthside Feb 2016 #33

Proof in the puding, as it were. Bubzer Feb 2016 #57

That is scary that facts are rarely mentioned in defending her. Why is that? glinda Feb 2016 #106

Because its all about perception. Nevermind the actual history, hidden behind the curtain... Bubzer Feb 2016 #111

*What*, specifically... is a " lie " ? AzDar Feb 2016 #38

Not every one EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #39

It's hard to wake people up from this type of "hypnosis" desmiller Feb 2016 #58

absolutely... EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #64

She could co-host a kitten barbecue/puppy shoot hifiguy Feb 2016 #126

yep EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #129

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #145

What Is It Trump Said About 5th Ave scottie55 Feb 2016 #244

Ouch! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #256

You just proved bravenak's point. Tommy2Tone Feb 2016 #190

Nonsense EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #205

We will "move on to the Next Lost Cause"? John Poet Feb 2016 #234

LOL haydukelives Feb 2016 #250

Why would you vote for Hillary Tommy2Tone Feb 2016 #271

Between the devil and the devil's bride, John Poet Feb 2016 #292

I can conceive of people having a differant point of view. I cannot understand people mikehiggins Feb 2016 #259

You, and the Hillary supporters of which you appear to be, are proving the point. concreteblue Feb 2016 #278

So, why are you voting for Hillary? Oh, and ALL OTHERS are not evildoers. Good lord almighty. libdem4life Feb 2016 #293

OK. Then what are your reasons for preferring Hillary? JDPriestly Feb 2016 #112

Hillary will never be President. bvar22 Feb 2016 #212

MY MY MY Old Codger Feb 2016 #114

Tommy, Tommy, Tommy... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #156

"You can't sway religious fanatics, flat earthers, or Hillary supporters. Facts are anathema to all. hifiguy Feb 2016 #193

This time we will be taking credit. Yuugal Feb 2016 #251

+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #257

Thanks for the undeniable confirmation. Phlem Feb 2016 #169

Would you care to point out the LIES, and document the truth? bvar22 Feb 2016 #211

Yet the her policies are not good for poc. CentralMass Feb 2016 #60

And if you try and explain this to them EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #68

excellent point. She makes her PoC supporters look bad. grasswire Feb 2016 #227

but Bernie bros tk2kewl Feb 2016 #3

SHHHHHHH....Maddie has sensitive ears!!! Bubzer Feb 2016 #59

I am shocked to see these mischaracterizations on DU pandr32 Feb 2016 #4

Tell us exactly what is "misrepresented", with links Lorien Feb 2016 #5

Please be more sympathetic to HRC. erlewyne Feb 2016 #13

Karma hurts more desmiller Feb 2016 #45

Sympathetic to HRC? Are you serious? Why would I be more sympathetic to the establishment candidate? Bubzer Feb 2016 #71

Hillary is on a different planet. erlewyne Feb 2016 #220

Ahh... thought you were comming to her defense... sorry about that. Bubzer Feb 2016 #221

You won't get a response. JRLeft Feb 2016 #74

Sanders supporters aren't Democratic loyalists shenmue Feb 2016 #7

I'm not an independent ... Impedimentus Feb 2016 #26

I have to, but I'm going independent. JRLeft Feb 2016 #76

I Was An Obama Delegate scottie55 Feb 2016 #246

I hope I'm wrong but the democratic party may be a lost cause. JRLeft Feb 2016 #247

Whats to like? MJJP21 Feb 2016 #43

What is it with this absurd meme? uberblonde Feb 2016 #232

In high school? She was a junior in college when she decided to support McGovern. Petrushka Feb 2016 #245

Wrong droidamus2 Feb 2016 #51

Over 40 years a registered Democrat, never missed an election always voted a straight Autumn Feb 2016 #69

Ain't that the truth The Second Stone Feb 2016 #177

Bernie isn't destroying the party, neither are his supporters. The law allows anyone to run for Autumn Feb 2016 #180

That's a matter of opinion The Second Stone Feb 2016 #191

No, that's a fact. Anyone is entitled to run for President in any party if they meet the Autumn Feb 2016 #195

I was referring to your claim that the party welcomed him The Second Stone Feb 2016 #204

Well you did find my name and a few of my posts but I fail to see what those have to do with this. Autumn Feb 2016 #208

This party sucks & Bernie will repair it. johnlucas Feb 2016 #240

Those of us who worked hard to build the party The Second Stone Feb 2016 #252

Build the party into what, exactly? Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #260

If the Democratic Party can't put up decent opposition to the Republican Party, it needs an overhaul johnlucas Feb 2016 #291

Political parties are instruments of collective will. sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #70

Lets see. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #73

Bernie? Yes, I agree! BUT: Trump over Hillary? No. Rubio over Hillary? No. maddiemom Feb 2016 #274

What utter garbage. Bubzer Feb 2016 #75

#FYI..... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #83

"The people don't want a phony Democrat." KamaAina Feb 2016 #194

Truth. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #108

Um, not me. Hissyspit Feb 2016 #134

Bernie stands for old Democratic values, pangaia Feb 2016 #154

The one and only thing ANY Clinton has ever stood for hifiguy Feb 2016 #196

The Dem party followed the repukes to the right KamaAina Feb 2016 #197

Yes. bvar22 Feb 2016 #213

It is to laugh. hifiguy Feb 2016 #199

I *was* a loyalist. Like the frog whose water is raised to a boil... lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #207

+1 Bubzer Feb 2016 #248

That is an ignorant statement. grasswire Feb 2016 #228

70 yr old woman here, cradle Democrat who has voted for Democrats and.. Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #254

Well said! Agree completely! peacebird Feb 2016 #277

Sorry, no. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #279

Shocked - Why Is This Citizen Not Shocked - At Ones Shock cantbeserious Feb 2016 #21

Ok, please clarify what has been misrepresented here. LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #24

Yep, they're choosing her with eyes wide open. Broward Feb 2016 #41

I don't think they fully understand the risks. LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #89

Well maybe it's history for a Female to win the Democratic.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #78

As I have said many times, I am a life-long Democrat. I wore an Adlai Stevenson pin to school JDPriestly Feb 2016 #135

You speak for me, JDP. hifiguy Feb 2016 #198

You worked for McGovern, whose candidacy resulted in a bloodbath... uberblonde Feb 2016 #233

Hillary reminds me a little bit of Kerry. strategery blunder Feb 2016 #266

- These are not mischaracterizations. pangaia Feb 2016 #141

You can say that again SwampG8r Feb 2016 #268

- These are not mischaracterizations. pangaia Feb 2016 #142

Do you really think Hillary will create a push for more Dems in the congress mdbl Feb 2016 #264

If I wanted any of those things I would be looking towards the Republican party. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #8

Spot ON! eom LittleGirl Feb 2016 #14

Right You Are - Once Again - BDS Rules - And Democrats Are Forced To Vote - Republican Lite cantbeserious Feb 2016 #18

This ^^^^ LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #202

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #10

... SidDithers Feb 2016 #11

Your bright red quote from John Lennon (who would have been a Bernie supported) panader0 Feb 2016 #88

Sid never will. Well over half of the posts I see from him are laughing emoticons. Bubzer Feb 2016 #116

Hmm, now Sanders supporters are claiming endorsements from the dead huh? eom kjones Feb 2016 #128

K&R - It just dosen't make sense Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #12

^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Feb 2016 #16

This Citizen Is Appalled At What Passes For Politics In A Modern Democracy cantbeserious Feb 2016 #15

She opposes campaign finance reform gyroscope Feb 2016 #17

She absolutely is a progressive. NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #61

Facts aren't allowed on bullshit mountain. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #91

Congratulations! You've successfully avoided countering the aforementioned issues! Bubzer Feb 2016 #93

There are as many links and citations in my post as in your OP. NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #100

And yet you've STILL managed to successfully avoid countering the aforementioned issues! Bubzer Feb 2016 #107

How dare you come into a Hillary bashing thread and spew facts still_one Feb 2016 #110

More like, spew a bunch of information that fails to serve as a counter to the argument. Bubzer Feb 2016 #118

Preach dlwickham Feb 2016 #183

While representing the state of NY, she behaved like a Democrat... Herman4747 Feb 2016 #272

I want to keep the ACA treestar Feb 2016 #19

No the GOP has power because Democrats like Clinton give it to them Armstead Feb 2016 #25

it's because people vote for them treestar Feb 2016 #158

People with this mindset have been running things for far too long in the Dem Party. Broward Feb 2016 #47

Agreed Bubzer Feb 2016 #124

what mindset? That there are still Republicans in existence? treestar Feb 2016 #160

My post presumes nothing... that's your projection... nothing more. Bubzer Feb 2016 #122

it would because a Republican President would repeal the ACA the first day treestar Feb 2016 #162

I reject your notion that nominating Bernie would lead to a republican president... Bubzer Feb 2016 #167

Avoid wars with HRC? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! newthinking Feb 2016 #132

FP Mag: The Undiplomatic Diplomat newthinking Feb 2016 #157

you're buying your own propaganda but I am not treestar Feb 2016 #165

It's just a glimpse into the 'inside Washington' country club. These folks don't give a YOHABLO Feb 2016 #263

BAH! THat's nothing that a laughing emoticon defense/rebuttal can't overcome. stupidicus Feb 2016 #20

Absolutely...n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #22

They do, but not for all the same reasons. Broward Feb 2016 #23

Such a better Conservative libodem Feb 2016 #28

Yea, that's reality based. JTFrog Feb 2016 #131

All great questions Faux pas Feb 2016 #29

K&R dchill Feb 2016 #31

You have to be willfully ignorant not to acknowledge felix_numinous Feb 2016 #34

It's her turn. Nothing else matters. hifiguy Feb 2016 #35

The mind boggles... no? She'll be destroyed in the GE. AzDar Feb 2016 #36

This is why they support her. zentrum Feb 2016 #37

Bubble thinking pdsimdars Feb 2016 #40

LMAO leftofcool Feb 2016 #44

If you can't laugh at yourself... Broward Feb 2016 #50

+1 Bubzer Feb 2016 #133

Super delegates support her because she is of the same oligarchy ... Auggie Feb 2016 #46

It's sad to see such blatant bullshit being peddled at DU. NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #48

If it is blatant bullshit, Bohunk68 Feb 2016 #84

She helped Write & widely promoted TPP which she would immediately pass amborin Feb 2016 #52

What TPP Means: amborin Feb 2016 #66

Let's just look at the first 3. Hoyt Feb 2016 #53

Yeah, apparently a 2/3s increase in the minimum wage under her is just nothing. Zynx Feb 2016 #62

Uh pinebox Feb 2016 #67

Why is that? If everyone gets covered, it is Universal Healthcare, bro. She'll get there faster Hoyt Feb 2016 #77

Everyone won't be covered under the ACA ever pinebox Feb 2016 #79

Let's see, if we get a public option, increased subsidies, expanded Medicaid in every state, etc., Hoyt Feb 2016 #86

The problem is this--- pinebox Feb 2016 #95

I agree with Reid. When at least 42% of the country is opposed to single payer, why try Hoyt Feb 2016 #113

Wasn't this also the case with gay marriage? crim son Feb 2016 #144

Bernie was attacked for "turning healthcare over to the Republican states", JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #105

I did not say every state. Some red states will still resist, although increased government incen- Hoyt Feb 2016 #117

So then definitionally she will not achieve universal healthcare. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #121

Nope, subsidies and public option can do the same thing as expanded Medicaid. Hoyt Feb 2016 #130

hc is not supporting a public option questionseverything Feb 2016 #184

I think she is, but the primary is not the place to fight that issue. Save it for the GOPers. Hoyt Feb 2016 #186

i have read her white sheet on healthcare,nothing about a public option questionseverything Feb 2016 #189

"I like here approach and pragmatism, not just wild promises pandering to gullible people." dana_b Feb 2016 #120

Problem is, Glass-Steagall didn't/doesn't regulate the entities responsible for the melt down. Hoyt Feb 2016 #125

I see dana_b Feb 2016 #147

Umm...what? Glass-Steagall was exactly about regulating banks and securites that cause the depresion Bubzer Feb 2016 #155

GS didn't regulate AGI, Lehman Bros, Bear Stearns, Washington Mutual, Chevrolet, Chrysler, etc. Hoyt Feb 2016 #163

Wrong. GS regulated ALL securities and ALL banks. Nice try. Why dont you go read up on it. Bubzer Feb 2016 #171

I think you are wrong. Let's see what others say. Hoyt Feb 2016 #179

The great bulk of those are without nuance or context. Zynx Feb 2016 #55

She is corrupt past any real redemption. She doesn't give a shit about PatrickforO Feb 2016 #63

The millions she's pocketed from corrupt LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #98

And when the choice always seems to be reduced to the lesser of two evils... Jed28 Feb 2016 #164

I'm going on FB with this one dana_b Feb 2016 #81

So I take it allinthegame Feb 2016 #82

Agreed Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #85

Don't Blame The Voter... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #96

As I told another poster; I dont accept the "Vote for hillary or else" premise. Bubzer Feb 2016 #146

These aren't the main issues with Clinton... In fact, they would appeal to some voters. Skwmom Feb 2016 #87

K&R. In general, you can tell from the posts on DU that the thoughtful people, the people JDPriestly Feb 2016 #90

Or, for that matter, the ones who respond with just an emoticon laugh. Bubzer Feb 2016 #143

and there's this: amborin Feb 2016 #94

And she supports H1-B visas nt LiberalEsto Feb 2016 #101

I love Bernie, but She's still a million times better than ANY republican candidate. OverBurn Feb 2016 #102

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I dont accept your "Vote for hillary or else" premise. Bubzer Feb 2016 #140

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You should know... you wrote it. Look to the link if you forgot. Bubzer Feb 2016 #218

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So you're really going to pretend you don't see the obvious implied comment? Bubzer Feb 2016 #226

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'They'? Is that like 'Those people?' How about 'we' meaning the people who are voting for her? randome Feb 2016 #109

Simple... because Thom is not part of the group voting for hillary. Bubzer Feb 2016 #138

How about you just make sure you vote in November? Chicago1980 Feb 2016 #115

How about you worry about your own vote eh? Bubzer Feb 2016 #137

I'm not worried about my vote because I'm going to vote. Chicago1980 Feb 2016 #148

Glad you're going to vote. You should. Everyone should. Bubzer Feb 2016 #161

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Right... sure... malign Bernie supporters as acting like tea party...that'll win hearts and minds... Bubzer Feb 2016 #217

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*sigh* I'm done wasting time on you. Bye. Bubzer Feb 2016 #231

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LOL MisterFred Feb 2016 #235

Great post... Tragl1 Feb 2016 #119

Yawn. (And hiding thread.) NurseJackie Feb 2016 #123

So long! Thanks for all the kicks! Bubzer Feb 2016 #136

maybe 2 or 3 things on here I agree with her on but the rest is the reason PatrynXX Feb 2016 #139

I'm a Sanders supporter, but that list is crap bhikkhu Feb 2016 #149

regarding Dodd Frank, please see my response in post #120 dana_b Feb 2016 #152

I know, it is in great need of improvement bhikkhu Feb 2016 #174

the Patriot Act isn't a problem? greymouse Feb 2016 #170

Honestly, that would be one tedious and unrewarding job bhikkhu Feb 2016 #176

so go tell the republlcans to fuck off certainot Feb 2016 #253

Sure, I'll take her any day, but thanx for asking. JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #150

yep this is who we all really want.... mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #151

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #153

crickets greymouse Feb 2016 #166

Thom Hartman makes for a great sleeping pill Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #168

I fully believe in the power of the vote........................................ turbinetree Feb 2016 #172

Excluding the rich and powerful, Hillary supporters should never again mock Republicans Broward Feb 2016 #185

I totally agree................................ turbinetree Feb 2016 #192

Since nobody can be bothered to do the research, here are links that support fully or in large part crim son Feb 2016 #173

Dailykos? Beacool Feb 2016 #175

I'm so sick of conservative Democrats n/t Stargleamer Feb 2016 #178

Then work harder to get people to primaries! LW1977 Feb 2016 #181

devastating.... kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #182

yes, she has some issues MFM008 Feb 2016 #188

Funny you use Thom Hartmann for that cartoon. LW1977 Feb 2016 #200

"whoever the DNC nominates!" Like hell. It's the people's choice... NOT the DNC's. Full stop! Bubzer Feb 2016 #210

It's Hillary Or Trump Sanders Cannot Win The GE Corey_Baker08 Feb 2016 #201

Fuck Who Trump Appoints To The Supreme Court I'll Have My 'Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bernie Sticker Corey_Baker08 Feb 2016 #203

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Just be practical. Hold your nose firmly, forget principles, your conscience, and vote for Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #206

Of one thing I am certain: Hillary will never be president. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #209

Sad, isn't it? bigwillq Feb 2016 #215

One hopes she will "evolve" Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #219

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Here is my take. OkSustainAg Feb 2016 #236

Education is the enemy of disinformation... and vice versa. Bubzer Feb 2016 #239

Not Surprised At All cer7711 Feb 2016 #237

Gensler Is Beyond Scum scottie55 Feb 2016 #241

When I joined DU, EVERYone was against all that. Beartracks Feb 2016 #258

I wonder how those issues poll with Democrats nationally Recursion Feb 2016 #262

TPP. magical thyme Feb 2016 #265

Some great points you make. Here's some counter points: Amimnoch Feb 2016 #267

Counter points to your counter points Herman4747 Feb 2016 #276

Thank you Herman. Amimnoch Feb 2016 #289

Amimnoch, buddy! Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Bubzer Feb 2016 #285

Thank you Bubzer for the consideration! Amimnoch Feb 2016 #287

Kick! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #269

One thing this primary has done is drain away any marginal support I once had for her deutsey Feb 2016 #270

K&R! nt AikenYankee Feb 2016 #280

I'm supporting Hillary for one reason: Electability dcbuckeye Feb 2016 #281

Electability forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #284

I have to say, I think I disagree with that. Amimnoch Feb 2016 #290