2016 Postmortem

Nonhlanhla

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103. No problem with that

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:16 AM

Feb 2016

I vote for my interests, and that of my family, too. AND for the interests of the nation, and that of the world.

What an election is not about is one's own purity list or one's own hurt feelings.

I have never, in any post, demanded loyalty pledges from people to vote for Hillary, but if people indicate they will sit the election out or vote for the GOP if she is the nominee because they do not deem her "pure" enough, then I do respond. And I myself always, always pledge to vote for Bernie if he's the nominee. It will hurt like hell if Hillary loses, but the election is not about me or about my hurt feelings. It's about the people who will lose healthcare if a GOP president, alongside a GOP-controlled Congress, dismantles the ACA. It's about the minorities who will suffer if someone like Trump gets in. Etc.

Go ahead, feel free to chastise me for that attitude. I'm a progressive. I care about what happens to other people.

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It's looking more and more like President Trump [View all] cali Feb 2016 OP

LOL. boston bean Feb 2016 #1

So do you think hillary takes Florida against the talking yam? cali Feb 2016 #4

Lol! "the talking yam". PotatoChip Feb 2016 #25

In all fairness, merrily Feb 2016 #84

"talking yam"??? hilarious secondwind Feb 2016 #32

All credit to Charlie Pierce cali Feb 2016 #39

In fairness, Pierce did not have stretch very far. merrily Feb 2016 #86

Trump is a given for Florida, they love him. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #65

Because they would prefer President Trump to President Sanders Fumesucker Feb 2016 #2

I believe you are correct. But I still think Bernie can win the nomination peacebird Feb 2016 #27

I would judge, from this distance, Ghost Dog Feb 2016 #157

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #3

I fear you're right. Broward Feb 2016 #5

That's what operating from fear will get you... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #6

Nonsense Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #7

Voting for Hillary is abandoning all progressive values, too. djean111 Feb 2016 #14

Again, nonsense Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #17

Well, it has not come to the GE yet, has it? djean111 Feb 2016 #21

This thread is about the GE nt. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #66

This section of DU is about the primaries, not the GE. djean111 Feb 2016 #73

Actually, if you read my post Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #91

It is ridiculous Rebkeh Feb 2016 #85

This is actually, I believe, a playbook thing designed to keep Bernie's supporters djean111 Feb 2016 #88

Fail, indeed Rebkeh Feb 2016 #99

I will vote for Bernie in the primary and in the general. Hillary will never get my vote. peacebird Feb 2016 #30

Bye bye nt. Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #70

You going somewhere? n/t Dawgs Feb 2016 #74

Probably not. Registered in 2012. merrily Feb 2016 #90

So lemme get this straight-- VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #115

Not about the grievances Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #120

"With Hillary it is always I, I, I" Like with anyone who helps Trump win? Democat Feb 2016 #78

Could not agree more! marew Feb 2016 #176

It's not nonsense. kag Feb 2016 #63

So we should Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #71

We are making a decision on who to vote for, for the Dem nominee, based on issues, record, djean111 Feb 2016 #76

We basically agree on that Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #95

To be honest, I sincerely doubt that anyone at DU seriously thinks, at this point, that they can djean111 Feb 2016 #102

This is quite true. In a certain sense there is overlap in Bernie and Trump in that both RKP5637 Feb 2016 #77

"The presidential election is not about you" dana_b Feb 2016 #89

No problem with that Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #103

"Go ahead, feel free to chastise me for that attitude" dana_b Feb 2016 #110

Asking someone to vote for someone that will keep them from being unemployed is not being "pure"... cascadiance Feb 2016 #181

??? Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #183

No, YOU are talking nonsense! Trump is campaigning against H-1B visas. cascadiance Feb 2016 #179

+1000 Shadowflash Feb 2016 #34

+1 if Hillary thinks she can attempt to destroy Bernie's NWCorona Feb 2016 #132

Whatever DarthDem Feb 2016 #8

Don't you have that reversed? ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #11

people won't vote for Clinton because of her record, not because people point it out too much MisterP Feb 2016 #175

glad you said it and not I PFunk1 Feb 2016 #9

She can't win in a GE. The right hate her, and the left are too apathetic on her to GOTV. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #10

the left...will vote for a democrat in 2016 beachbum bob Feb 2016 #24

Oh hell no. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #56

Yep, this pengu Feb 2016 #60

Totally agree. They point us toward a cliff, then blame us when the steering can't turn GoneFishin Feb 2016 #148

What a serious misreading of the electorate! Beowulf Feb 2016 #72

"I don't socialize with Trump. The Clintons do." lostnfound Feb 2016 #180

nope! dana_b Feb 2016 #97

The left does not have a manority. zeemike Feb 2016 #105

the left is one small portion of democrats and progressives just like teaparty beachbum bob Feb 2016 #177

And liberals and progressives sit home when they have nothing to vote for. zeemike Feb 2016 #182

So some people tell themselves. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #144

The middle hates her. Barack_America Feb 2016 #67

A real concern, those that stay home and don't vote because they don't totally like the RKP5637 Feb 2016 #87

Really? So people who stay home and don't vote for Trump are also voting for the Dem nominee by GoneFishin Feb 2016 #149

It's all in the math! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #163

trump will not be elected...even if bernie supporters throw a fit... beachbum bob Feb 2016 #12

"Throw a fit"... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #15

I heard all the same from hillary supporters 8 years ago beachbum bob Feb 2016 #18

"Thin skinned"... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #19

There are about 550 posters blocked by the Hillary group Jarqui Feb 2016 #68

It's not 2008 anymore. Things change. The electorate has changed. merrily Feb 2016 #98

This is funny Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #20

I think you're missing what I'm saying... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #75

Bernie's campaign is nothing but attacking Hillary? What nonsense! merrily Feb 2016 #100

Did I say it is NOTHING but negativity? Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #107

More nonsense. Poster, please. merrily Feb 2016 #112

a Landslide? Now, I do SERIOUSLY DOUBT that statement. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #173

Hillary supporters don't buy into your gloom and doom scenario. oasis Feb 2016 #13

Enough of this defeatist bullshit please geek tragedy Feb 2016 #16

His negatives are very high, but then again so are Hillary's... Human101948 Feb 2016 #52

If this is the case RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #22

As will I. Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #119

That's it in a nutshell. RiverLover Feb 2016 #23

It seems that many on this board would conclude that Clinton's presidency was a utter failure. olegramps Feb 2016 #50

Yes really. RiverLover Feb 2016 #92

Firstly, Sanders is a nice person, bu no FDR. olegramps Feb 2016 #185

So you think that if Sanders is the nominee that dana_b Feb 2016 #104

I hope that you are right, but they very well may just stay home. olegramps Feb 2016 #184

Please he is disliked by so many different groups of people that he would be crushed in the G.E.. Botany Feb 2016 #26

Based on what? Vets? You must be joking. merrily Feb 2016 #114

my post was not about hillary or bernie it was about trump Botany Feb 2016 #135

No, not talking about Trump merrily Feb 2016 #151

Ah this thread is about Trump Botany Feb 2016 #154

stuff happens merrily Feb 2016 #155

I believe Botany was posting about Trump not Bernie nolabels Feb 2016 #136

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Botany Feb 2016 #158

Let's do it !!!1!!!1!!! nolabels Feb 2016 #167

I couldn't disagree more strongly. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #28

Trump reminds me of Benito Mussolini .. same facial expressions as well. YOHABLO Feb 2016 #29

I totally agree with you laundry_queen Feb 2016 #31

President Trump... that will take some getting used to yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #58

If by some hook and crook, he ends up being the President. Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #121

I don't believe the kitchen sink has been thrown at him. ShrimpPoboy Feb 2016 #33

Are you paid by the GOP? Firebrand Gary Feb 2016 #35

+1 stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #42

It's not slander if it's true. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #51

Hardly slander when VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #124

I'm this close to hitting "Trash Forum" on GD: P Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author EV_Ares Feb 2016 #37

LOL ... You crack me up! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #38

I will so enjoy cali Feb 2016 #53

He'll also be running to her left on things like trade and Iraq pengu Feb 2016 #40

Trump is against free trade and illegal immigration. He will pound Hillary on this. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #41

He will also beat her here in NC. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #43

"The kitchen sink has already been thrown at the asshole." tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #44

That's somewhat reversed, Trump has proven he can say anything... Human101948 Feb 2016 #57

Trump won't lose any votes because his voter base eats that stuff up. tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #81

That's probably why Rubio is their nominee... Human101948 Feb 2016 #96

tell tom we , stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #45

silly and defeatist book_worm Feb 2016 #46

I don't think it'll be Trump. More likely Cruz or Rubio. Amimnoch Feb 2016 #47

Agree RealAmericanDem Feb 2016 #54

*grin* I'm looking forward to that as well. Amimnoch Feb 2016 #59

I thought that too but... CdnExtraNational Feb 2016 #82

They'll be happy either way. Well, the Goldman will. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #48

Paid for by www.donaldtrump.com leftofcool Feb 2016 #49

Your incessant fearmongering is getting tiresome. DCBob Feb 2016 #55

Is this the anger stage? Not sure... workinclasszero Feb 2016 #61

Once Bernie gives his concession speech, all but a hardcore minority will be on board Tarc Feb 2016 #62

You're deluded. Clinton is unelectable. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #80

You vastly underestimate the dislike for Hillary. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #133

Then President Trump will be on your shoulders Tarc Feb 2016 #166

Bullshit. It will be on the shoulders of those who disregarded her incredibly high negatives. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #168

Independents are a myth Tarc Feb 2016 #169

Your political acumen is ZERO. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #170

"Acumen" coming from a "feel the Berner" ? Tarc Feb 2016 #174

Don't forget about the fact that it's REALLY difficult for one party to retake bullwinkle428 Feb 2016 #64

The President who does get the third term usually has had it very bad exboyfil Feb 2016 #127

and trump has a lot going for him restorefreedom Feb 2016 #69

Clinton isn't going to win the nomination. As the primaries progress, demographics for Sanders get w4rma Feb 2016 #79

Yes she is Robbins Feb 2016 #116

FiveThirtyEight expects *all* the rest of the caucus states to go for Bernie. w4rma Feb 2016 #122

I've not put much stock in FiveThirtyEight as of late VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #125

FiveThirtyEight had a Clinton bias, not a Bernie bias. So if they are saying good things for Bernie, w4rma Feb 2016 #143

They are trying to fool us Robbins Feb 2016 #130

That's dumb. It's only a 4 delegate difference and Bernie *still* has the momentum. w4rma Feb 2016 #142

This has been my biggest fear all along randr Feb 2016 #83

This sounds almost like... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #93

No. This is called analysis. I have said repeatedly I'd vote cali Feb 2016 #94

I've been surprised more republicans do not favor Kasich. I guess he's just too sane sounding. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #106

Trump is making every crazy uncle sound sane randr Feb 2016 #111

He sounds sane on the surface, but, if you listen, he is an extremist. merrily Feb 2016 #117

I've heard that, that people in Ohio really don't like him. They say he sounds sane, but RKP5637 Feb 2016 #123

He won 64% in the 2014 exboyfil Feb 2016 #141

How you could read 'trump is preferable to Hillary" is beyond me randr Feb 2016 #108

No, its just reality. basselope Feb 2016 #160

70% of Republicans are against Trump.n/t asuhornets Feb 2016 #101

Actually moving closer to 60% randr Feb 2016 #109

I've seen 56% would be willing to go along with him with 42% against Jarqui Feb 2016 #118

Rubio/Kasich exboyfil Feb 2016 #145

Of course Robbins Feb 2016 #113

What you are saying is that four years of Trump exboyfil Feb 2016 #150

neither choice is good Robbins Feb 2016 #161

Nah. Hillary will be President Depaysement Feb 2016 #126

Even if she does win we still lose Robbins Feb 2016 #139

Only Bernie beats him in national polls. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #128

Horrifying prospect, but I fully expect this will be the case. nruthie Feb 2016 #129

Only if the BS'ers throw a temper tantrum liberal N proud Feb 2016 #131

No! pdsimdars Feb 2016 #140

80% of the GOP will support Trump if he's the nominee EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #134

That's what the head-to-head polls keep saying pdsimdars Feb 2016 #137

If Bernie wins nomination the establishment will be purged... CdnExtraNational Feb 2016 #153

If it's so, I'm even more sickened at the thought of escalating the murderous polly7 Feb 2016 #138

..! And... KoKo Feb 2016 #171

Half of Democrats, most Indies and most Republicans want an outsider CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #146

November a loooooooooooooooong ways away, and i don't believe even a clairvoyant could be this clear nolabels Feb 2016 #147

"Being a celebrity lends credibility, amazingly enough. " KansDem Feb 2016 #152

Your analysis is pretty much right on. earthside Feb 2016 #156

I'm still fighting for Bernie, but I feel like I am almost at the acceptance stage of Trump as Prez basselope Feb 2016 #159

It's going to be a tough battle. NCTraveler Feb 2016 #162

Exactly amborin Feb 2016 #164

Bookmarking for November 8 onenote Feb 2016 #165

That's the master plan. mhatrw Feb 2016 #172

All the more reason for us to unite behind Hillary as soon as the nom is clear flamingdem Feb 2016 #178

HOW IS TRUMP EVEN A CONTENDER ian cameron dromore Feb 2016 #186