2016 Postmortem

Karmadillo

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30. Back when I was delusional enough to think she was kind of a liberal. My bad.

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Clinton Campaign is out to destroy the Democratic party in pursuit of victory [View all] concreteblue Feb 2016 OP

The Democratic Party is doing just fine. But thank you. leftofcool Feb 2016 #1

since obama took office we've lost 1000 Dem seats -- thank YOU very much. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #3

Exactly. concreteblue Feb 2016 #7

now there's plenty of Ds who think that we're working with the Rs! nashville_brook Feb 2016 #13

All too typical since Dean was removed... freebrew Feb 2016 #52

Dean sold out, too Kittycat Feb 2016 #61

+1000 roguevalley Feb 2016 #63

Yeah, I saw that... freebrew Feb 2016 #69

Dean once was my fav DEM. But, he sold us to the Pharm companies. Looks like NCjack Feb 2016 #97

Now Dean's been thrown under the bus Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #277

"Now Dean's been thrown under the bus" iAZZZo Feb 2016 #292

Wyden sold us out on TPP too. Looking at voting for his primary challenger cascadiance Feb 2016 #108

That hit me for days and I wasn't even an involved Deniac. A Big Pharma lobbyist appalachiablue Feb 2016 #183

Take a look at Rahm Lazy Daisy Feb 2016 #117

It is liberalmike27 Feb 2016 #66

Carter was a relatively conservative Democrat, at least on economic issues. StevieM Feb 2016 #252

True that Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #278

Are you sure you're not confusing Jimmy for someone else? liberalnarb Feb 2016 #304

Carter (who was my governor when I was a young kid in Georgia) was VERY conservative. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #311

it's difficult to find an example to compare him to nashville_brook Feb 2016 #307

Yea, it's all Obama's fault. leftofcool Feb 2016 #26

I would call it more RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #37

Personally I feel that people would rather vote for someone who is honestly corrupt.... daleanime Feb 2016 #64

She's not the head of DLC (which doesn't exist) or even Third Way... brooklynite Feb 2016 #218

Sorry, she's the Chairwoman of the DNC RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #219

You do realize that President Obama is the one who placed her at the head of the DNC? (eom) StevieM Feb 2016 #250

I do. RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #298

Why do you think we've lost 1000 seats? noamnety Feb 2016 #91

one old mans opinion (mine)... NoMoreRepugs Feb 2016 #104

Another old man agrees Plucketeer Feb 2016 #184

we've abandoned our principles. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #195

It started with the Catfood Commission and its attempt to raise retirement age-- eridani Feb 2016 #297

He liked to work with Republicans MORE than Democrats with a conscience on TPP! cascadiance Feb 2016 #113

this is the branding problem -- the Dem Party's brand is in the toilet nashville_brook Feb 2016 #194

Big surprise. Another lie. Dawgs Feb 2016 #122

correlation is not causation - but there it is. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #192

DWS has been a disaster. Dawgs Feb 2016 #200

what's your theory for why we lost so many Dem seats? nashville_brook Feb 2016 #196

Obama fooled us in 2007. But he turned out to be just another Conservative Democrat that rhett o rick Feb 2016 #264

compared to HRC in 2008, it was easy to appear to as more attractive, as she did herself nashville_brook Feb 2016 #312

He's not a god. earthside Feb 2016 #281

Blame the voters DownriverDem Feb 2016 #118

if you're "blaming voters" you're never going to win again nashville_brook Feb 2016 #190

And that's all CLINTON'S FAULT! Nitram Feb 2016 #137

it's a big sign that we're heading in the wrong direction and we don't have nashville_brook Feb 2016 #189

We have our old friend Jerry Mander to thank for much of that KamaAina Feb 2016 #203

related to losing governor's races and state houses, Rs in control of reapportionment. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #213

And of course it's all the black man's fault. He can't help it if people are still racist. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #310

wow, that is so wrongheaded. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #314

What does my post have to do with Hillary Clinton? You blame Obama for the loss Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #315

so, all those seats that were lost were b/c people are racist? nashville_brook Feb 2016 #317

Actually, it's not the Democratic party I used to know and love. ananda Feb 2016 #6

What Democratic party were YOU in? Adrahil Feb 2016 #36

Never perfect or utopian -- But it has devolved seriously Armstead Feb 2016 #45

I think you are remembering things through the filter of a mythical "good ole days" Adrahil Feb 2016 #127

You are correct. It has always been a mix. Armstead Feb 2016 #143

So you've been a Dem for 30 years... truebluegreen Feb 2016 #263

I am a student of history.... Adrahil Feb 2016 #272

A student of history? Where did you study? truebluegreen Feb 2016 #273

Purely in the amatuer sense, I'm afraid. Adrahil Feb 2016 #274

"What Democratic party were YOU in?" HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #60

We should remember..... Adrahil Feb 2016 #130

Repeating the bad is no excuse for not pursuing the good Armstead Feb 2016 #147

I certainly agree with that... Adrahil Feb 2016 #167

Exactly! The beauty of the Democratic Party is that it is a large tent. The party, in general, Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #313

Certainly. HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #164

You're missing the point slightly. Adrahil Feb 2016 #170

I take the long view, being an oldster... HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #212

consistently right alan2102 Feb 2016 #227

Exactly. HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #229

And FDR's crowning achievement ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #253

Exactly. Adrahil Feb 2016 #296

As a DUer recently postulated ... the/one of the reasons, Sanders is missing Black folks is ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #300

+1 appalachiablue Feb 2016 #175

But how successful was that Democratic Party? radical noodle Feb 2016 #217

Hehe, old folks rock!!!! HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #242

Actually radical noodle Feb 2016 #267

Fair enough. HeartoftheMidwest Feb 2016 #268

As someone who was one year shy of voting for JFK, Paka Feb 2016 #237

That explains it nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #163

Yeah, that's great, just ignore, ya know, real history. Adrahil Feb 2016 #165

Yup and he also created the first social safety net in the US nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #171

Here's the thing. RichVRichV Feb 2016 #247

cmon timmymoff Feb 2016 #293

and yet rtracey Feb 2016 #39

And also yet, he was NEVER a Republican either! cascadiance Feb 2016 #121

What you THINK is the Democratoc Party, is NO LONGER the Democratic Party. pangaia Feb 2016 #11

Nope. It's what the Republican Party used to be WayBeyondBlue Feb 2016 #181

I took a screenshot of your post EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #18

Thank you. I'm honored. leftofcool Feb 2016 #28

The hell it is...You are the ones who keep saying "We can''t do anything because of the GOP" Armstead Feb 2016 #42

No it's not. Half of it doesn't care about the blood on Hillary's hands and she's not getting called trillion Feb 2016 #58

Thank you. So true, so awful. Merryland Feb 2016 #81

Do some research buddy! DownriverDem Feb 2016 #123

No I am NOT and I suggest you google this. trillion Feb 2016 #133

And, welcome to my ignore. trillion Feb 2016 #178

You are supporting a right winger and a Repub in all but name. Broward Feb 2016 #202

Kennedy promised us the Moon Lordquinton Feb 2016 #210

Let me repeat: Clinton supporters don't fucking care. LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #136

You are absolutely right. trillion Feb 2016 #176

+10000 trillion Feb 2016 #221

Really? Who controls Congress? LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #85

Wonderful post Carolina Feb 2016 #266

There's a university study that points out that over the last thirty years we've... raindaddy Feb 2016 #111

See, it's this kind of arrogant nyabingi Feb 2016 #129

There are now two conservative parties in America. If that's your idea of doing fine. leveymg Feb 2016 #140

Hasn't that always been the way? Bad Dog Feb 2016 #295

No, no it's not whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #157

No it's not. People 840high Feb 2016 #205

Fewest Representatives and Fewest Senators since 1930 jfern Feb 2016 #228

There are two wings of the Democratic Party, the Progressive Wing that's going to kick butt rhett o rick Feb 2016 #262

Sounds like you'd be ok with a Pyrrhic victory in the primaries. Electric Monk Feb 2016 #282

I fail to see how it's doing fine if they will be voting for Trump long before Hillary PatrynXX Feb 2016 #290

Yes, losing the House and Senate AND its registered members now down to just 30% from over 42% sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #294

Money is out to destroy parties. Orsino Feb 2016 #2

I don't give two shits who invented the problem, she's part of it now. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #44

No you and your ilk are the problem DownriverDem Feb 2016 #124

Big private money in politics is still the problem. Orsino Feb 2016 #138

Well, she is a "progressive" that gets things done. Broward Feb 2016 #4

the "things" that get "done" are trading progressive policies away nashville_brook Feb 2016 #9

I think what Hillary meant when she said that she is a "Progressive," is RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #38

A *progressive* doesn't support getting things done with H-1B "guest labor" programs! cascadiance Feb 2016 #126

Stop whining. No crying in baseball. nt geek tragedy Feb 2016 #5

Really? Karmadillo Feb 2016 #10

Back when you supported Clinton and Mark Penn. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #12

ouch bigtree Feb 2016 #16

No ouch at all. Enlightenment is freedom. Karmadillo Feb 2016 #32

Back when I was delusional enough to think she was kind of a liberal. My bad. Karmadillo Feb 2016 #30

she's a lot more liberal in 2016 than she was when geek tragedy Feb 2016 #101

... nashville_brook Feb 2016 #19

that's hard to watch yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #31

Actually I think the Bernie supporters are book_worm Feb 2016 #8

What Bernie supporters have really taken apart is what Jarqui Feb 2016 #17

100% agree tommcc99 Feb 2016 #249

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Feb 2016 #21

Anybody who lies in service concreteblue Feb 2016 #22

I'm with you. Merryland Feb 2016 #90

Trite? Facts that have changed the party & made it conservative working for BigBusiness is RiverLover Feb 2016 #24

Clyburn noble? Comparing him to John Lewis is a failed comparison. Clyburn, Yes on Doma. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #40

Clyburn is a co-chair of Third Way.....LOL. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #56

noble is as noble does. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #80

I agree timmymoff Feb 2016 #119

The problem with many Bernie supporters is DownriverDem Feb 2016 #134

You'd be so right... if the polls didn't show just the opposity of your claim LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #146

"The Problem"?...Being supporters of Bernie Sanders isn't a problem Half-Century Man Feb 2016 #166

100% agree tommcc99 Feb 2016 #246

this from the campaign waging revolution on the 'establishment' bigtree Feb 2016 #14

Maybe you could read a little more carefully. concreteblue Feb 2016 #25

Yes and everyday Andy823 Feb 2016 #72

Calling out Lies, duplicity and hypocrisy is hardly concreteblue Feb 2016 #94

party building? timmymoff Feb 2016 #132

welcome to DU grasswire Feb 2016 #254

Thank you timmymoff Feb 2016 #257

Clinton works like a republican in all ways but her rhetoric to win votes from Democrats. RiverLover Feb 2016 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Feb 2016 #29

too bad rtracey Feb 2016 #49

It won't matter Old Codger Feb 2016 #78

Don't Blame The Voter... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #114

Thank you for your "concern." MoonRiver Feb 2016 #20

No Worries.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #120

Boo! Matariki Feb 2016 #239

Oh trust me coyote Feb 2016 #284

They already have people haven't accepted it yet Robbins Feb 2016 #23

Personally I think the Democratic Party of FDR is gone and if Clinton wins - it's long gone Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #27

I posted this in this forum, but I will repete it here rtracey Feb 2016 #50

Thanks for this. Me? I'm putting my principles first. And I absolutely do not believe Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #83

well rtracey Feb 2016 #158

I understand. I'm just very tired of it. I want a future for our children. Maybe they really do Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #168

I know rtracey Feb 2016 #201

You don't believe the following COLGATE4 Feb 2016 #303

No I don't think that will happen. There may be attempts but no I don't think Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #305

Too Bad.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #131

too bad is right rtracey Feb 2016 #150

Too Bad.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #154

Disgusting. kjones Feb 2016 #258

Okay Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #283

Bus Throw.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #286

I think you are being pessimistic. johnson_z Feb 2016 #169

an interesting case you are making, Nanjeanne grasswire Feb 2016 #255

I am conflicted but it has crossed my mind. I do know if Clinton and the DLC Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #259

the problem is that the dem/gop divide is only an illusion restorefreedom Feb 2016 #33

Exactly. Blankfein admitted it. TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #47

amazing how they don't even try to hide it anymore. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #48

100% true. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #156

+1000 Paka Feb 2016 #244

so are you voting republican? mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #34

Get a new question ybbor Feb 2016 #74

Very Boring.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #139

The question is: is it by design? yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #35

I have had my fill of smears from both sides. Trust Buster Feb 2016 #41

+10000 eom radical noodle Feb 2016 #270

Explain why you think Republicans are in favor of single payer health care n/t eridani Feb 2016 #299

IMO those in power (DLCer-Dems) are willing to lose the WH to prevent a Sanders Presidency... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Feb 2016 #43

This THIS nt CdnExtraNational Feb 2016 #51

^this^ HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #155

I think you're confusing the Clinton campaign with the Sanders campaign dlwickham Feb 2016 #46

Some people really are gullible enough to believe your kind of projection. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #55

Got anything to substantiate your claim? concreteblue Feb 2016 #96

Scorched earth. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #53

The Earth Has Been Burning.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #141

Well, well, well Loki Feb 2016 #54

Jaysus, you guys are tone deaf. cali Feb 2016 #65

Just like you! Loki Feb 2016 #67

Jaysus. You don't even know what I'm talking about cali Feb 2016 #75

I feel sorry for you Cali if that is all you have gained Loki Feb 2016 #79

Perhaps you mean Lee Atwater? Loki Feb 2016 #86

Where have I "smeared" anybody? concreteblue Feb 2016 #71

Yup. Crickets. concreteblue Feb 2016 #99

You can have your Democratic Party. frylock Feb 2016 #82

Thank you, I will. Loki Feb 2016 #88

You are a part of it whether you realize it or not. frylock Feb 2016 #128

That's True.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #144

Not YOUR party - OUR party. Matariki Feb 2016 #240

You might as well change the name of the party to the Clinton Party. Nedsdag Feb 2016 #57

What keeps me up at night... dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #59

Let's Us Be Frank Here.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #152

Sadly, I totally agree with you dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #161

Yep... DUbeornot2be Feb 2016 #62

K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #68

i'll say this again ellennelle Feb 2016 #70

Thank you. concreteblue Feb 2016 #73

^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Feb 2016 #103

and that is probably a good thing. Let it all burn so we can build fresh from the ashes of her CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #76

It's like Whose party is it anyway? Merryland Feb 2016 #77

Many Many Thanks SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #95

She's succeeding. If she NorthCarolina Feb 2016 #84

They might succeed too. I know what I'm doing if Hillary wins using fraud or super delegates! thereismore Feb 2016 #87

you mean, AGAIN? Helen Borg Feb 2016 #89

it's a 2012 redux stupidicus Feb 2016 #92

11 Governors, 13 Senators, 69 Reps, 913 state seats MisterP Feb 2016 #251

yep, quite the toll MrP stupidicus Feb 2016 #318

yes, what's left will be destroyed (no pun intended) amborin Feb 2016 #93

Destroy it? No. Buy it, Yes. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #98

Agreed cantbeserious Feb 2016 #100

K&R for truth - however much it hurts the coronation. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #102

A load of garbage The Second Stone Feb 2016 #105

It is what she has built that is issue.... concreteblue Feb 2016 #107

We note that her opponents supporters are tearing it down The Second Stone Feb 2016 #109

Thank you for the false dichotomy. concreteblue Feb 2016 #159

Thank you for promising to create a Party that has principles and works The Second Stone Feb 2016 #173

In English, please? concreteblue Feb 2016 #198

Did you really just write that bigoted The Second Stone Feb 2016 #199

Omg!!! Really? concreteblue Feb 2016 #207

The filthy lies and dirty tricks drove me away after almost 5 decades as a Dem. Zorra Feb 2016 #106

Maybe one of the biker people will run for President then leftofcool Feb 2016 #116

If you're left of center, you're marginalized by the Democratic party, these days. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #110

Get a grip workinclasszero Feb 2016 #112

'Cause who needs ethics, amiright? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #153

So you are WRONG! DownriverDem Feb 2016 #115

Or maybe they will save the party. HassleCat Feb 2016 #125

The sky is falling! Clinton the She-Devil is out to DESTROY THE DEMOCRTIC PARTY! Nitram Feb 2016 #135

If I didn't know better I would be a Hillary Supporter! concreteblue Feb 2016 #211

Is there an echo in here? Nitram Feb 2016 #214

LOL. your candidate loses a primary and cannot reach out to minority voters La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2016 #142

LOL. How about Clinton's chamelionlike shifts that were the subject of the OP? Armstead Feb 2016 #148

I didn't see any 'chameleon like shifts' in the OP. just a bunch of accusations with really nothing La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2016 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author Armstead Feb 2016 #177

Another sadly typical substance free distortion concreteblue Feb 2016 #197

Sanders Wins Latino Vote in Nevada Zorra Feb 2016 #206

That press release appears to have been a bit premature Number23 Feb 2016 #215

No. Desperate MSM Hillary shills are 'splainin to Hispanics why their entrance poll numbers Zorra Feb 2016 #223

You of all people talking about whitesplaining is precious Number23 Feb 2016 #224

Yeh, every Bernie supporter is a racist, homophobe, sexist, blahblahblah Zorra Feb 2016 #230

Don't you ever get tired of pretending that people are calling you racist when no one did? Number23 Feb 2016 #234

No, it doesn't happen all the time. In fact, it's only when Hillary supporters can't Zorra Feb 2016 #238

Oh good Lord. I'm not wading through all of that hyperventilating word salad Number23 Feb 2016 #248

it's crazy, people relying on polls instead of actual results JI7 Feb 2016 #291

Bzzzt shenmue Feb 2016 #145

everyone on the republican side if freaking out about how the republican party is splitting... Javaman Feb 2016 #149

it think that would be some bernie supporters who seem to save their outrage for fellow MariaThinks Feb 2016 #151

Is This A Job For Bernie Supporters? LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #188

Ok. n/t zappaman Feb 2016 #160

It will take so much self medication that one will have to be careful of overdose Red Oak Feb 2016 #162

I saw her trip a blind kid in the hallway! That monster! randome Feb 2016 #172

Did she steal his cane dlwickham Feb 2016 #204

I'm so sick of having to vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #179

Well I wonder where your perfect world is then Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #285

Insult for no reason but to insult get you ignored. Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #287

Thank You!!!! Faux pas Feb 2016 #180

Is it true... Arizona Roadrunner Feb 2016 #182

The Clinton campaign has been treating Sanders with kid gloves Gothmog Feb 2016 #185

Clinton voters and donors should hang their heads in shame for enabling it. begin_within Feb 2016 #186

Agreed... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #187

The vitriol leveled by True Believers toward Clinton only ensures pushback, though. randome Feb 2016 #193

Since 1995 the economic choice? Red Republican vs Blue Republican nt kristopher Feb 2016 #191

Nailed it. concreteblue Feb 2016 #208

Meh. They don't particularly care about the party. JoeyT Feb 2016 #209

exactly! Vote2016 Feb 2016 #216

One party cannot house all Americans felix_numinous Feb 2016 #220

In all seriousness, I think the Clinton Campaign is pursuing victory in order to destroy FiveGoodMen Feb 2016 #222

The right-wingers in control off the party are out to destroy the party. That includes Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #225

Wild-eyed hyperbole. RBInMaine Feb 2016 #226

Perfect summation. great white snark Feb 2016 #233

Typical CONservative projection. concreteblue Feb 2016 #236

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #231

Staying home is absolutely the most stupid possible response. arcane1 Feb 2016 #232

It's going to get much worse. nt bananas Feb 2016 #235

If Clinton were to become president, which I think is unlikely, I think we would need to TryLogic Feb 2016 #241

Oh my god, Democrats are trying Progressive dog Feb 2016 #243

CB, if you think these tactics and developments are bad, kstewart33 Feb 2016 #245

I've already decided. It's Bernie or nothing. DrBulldog Feb 2016 #256

With the DNC's help. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #260

A lot of apocalyptic fools in here. kjones Feb 2016 #261

Paragraphs are your friend workinclasszero Feb 2016 #265

another fan of paragraphs greymouse Feb 2016 #289

true, it is harmless though, the "you are not being nice... no! it is you whoare not being nice" John93JK Feb 2016 #269

I'm particularly sickened by Hillary's attacks on health care. grahamhgreen Feb 2016 #271

Okay Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #275

She wants to burn it all the fuck down.... humbled_opinion Feb 2016 #276

oh good god... chillfactor Feb 2016 #279

She would lose in the GE. The right would relish the chance to vote against her. The left wouldn't GoneFishin Feb 2016 #280

Talk about hyperbole. Chicago1980 Feb 2016 #288

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #301

Nah Hillary's just destroying Hillary. Bernie will transform the Democratic Party johnlucas Feb 2016 #302

Sanders Campaign is out to destroy the Democratic party in pursuit of victories artyteacher Feb 2016 #306

I'm sorry, but a lot of his supporters have been the rudest to black voters and racist. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #308

And those who refuse to vote Democratic in November will be the problem, not the solution. longship Feb 2016 #309

I see a split coming for real. The young folk are sick sick sick of this. nt mariawr Feb 2016 #316