2016 Postmortem

jeff47

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68. So...not been paying much attention then?

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:52 AM

Feb 2016

Clinton was one of the people within the Obama administration pushing to depose Gaddafi. We did. It's now a failed state containing an ISIS stronghold.

Clinton repeatedly pushed for sending more arms to rebel troops in Syria. We did. Most of those arms are now in the hands of ISIS, a group she calls one of the largest threats to our country.

Clinton supported the coup in Honduras, and supported deporting undocumented children who fled the country due to violence. Many of those children are now confirmed to be dead.

Clinton repeatedly criticized the Obama administration after she stepped down as SoS for not sending more troops to Syria. She also criticized the Obama administration for pursuing the Iran deal.

With Clinton's time as SoS, it's harder to find successes than failures. That is not competence.

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Nevada was a devastating blow to Sanders; Dolores Huerta a perfect representation of his failure [View all] bigtree Feb 2016 OP

pffft yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #1

let me fix this bigtree Feb 2016 #2

IMO, not a "blow" to a campaign that doesn't expect to win, Hortensis Feb 2016 #46

That's a brilliant observation, pal. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #12

Another load of taurine metabolic byproducts about a discredited story. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #3

it's an insightful article bigtree Feb 2016 #7

Lol, coming from you! Bissed much? Nt Logical Feb 2016 #10

smells more like RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #33

More No, we can't. Establishment knows what's best for us, yes it does. nc4bo Feb 2016 #4

you also had republican pac expenditures working for you bigtree Feb 2016 #13

And Hillary has more of the corporate 1%er dollars working for her too! cascadiance Feb 2016 #27

That sweet Rove's American Crossroads $$$ workinclasszero Feb 2016 #39

Yes...she was supposed to win by at least 20 points. He shaved that lead.... mariawr Feb 2016 #19

Read comment #13 right above yours pandr32 Feb 2016 #26

Boy, I can smell RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #45

HRC:"You're asking me to say I have never, I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will" nc4bo Feb 2016 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #57

Obama lost Nevada by a wider margin and went on to win the election gyroscope Feb 2016 #5

Hillary won the Latino vote back then, as well bigtree Feb 2016 #14

Lucky for us there's no Obama in the race then workinclasszero Feb 2016 #41

No it wasn't. He had a great showing. Look at the polling from 3 months back. morningfog Feb 2016 #6

Blowback from trashing Lewis and Huerta will be big in the coming contests. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #8

Yes the Clinton strategy of politics of personalized, racialized politics might work Armstead Feb 2016 #18

The union bashing plus the trashing of Lewis and Huerta workinclasszero Feb 2016 #44

You really are getting more and more worried! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #9

Amanda Marcotte forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #11

here's her other article today bigtree Feb 2016 #15

Marcotte, Capehart. Birds of a feather mariawr Feb 2016 #21

What happened to her 30 pt lead in NV? jillan Feb 2016 #16

But why vote for Hillary? Android3.14 Feb 2016 #17

She is a member of the Democratic Party, for one. randome Feb 2016 #23

Hillary and army of progressives? Since when is Wall St. progressive? hobbit709 Feb 2016 #24

Were FDR were alive today, he'd probably choose Bernie as a better Democrat than Hillary... cascadiance Feb 2016 #29

There is only one way that Clinton is progressive. RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #42

She is a member of the Democratic Party, for one. workinclasszero Feb 2016 #47

Because she has a D after her name? coyote Feb 2016 #55

Of All the Candidates in Both Parties, On the Road Feb 2016 #28

So... Just how much has her and her husband and her's negotiating free trade deals like NAFTA... cascadiance Feb 2016 #32

Based on what? jeff47 Feb 2016 #34

She Has High-Level Executive Branch Experience On the Road Feb 2016 #48

Holding a job is not competence. jeff47 Feb 2016 #54

Is There an Issue with Obama's First-Term Foreign Policy, On the Road Feb 2016 #66

So...not been paying much attention then? jeff47 Feb 2016 #68

If You Believe the Middle East is an Example of Failure, On the Road Feb 2016 #69

If you believe ISIS is an existential threat, as Clinton does, isn't anything jeff47 Feb 2016 #70

Yeah, and she can tell a lie that a lot of folks will believe. n/t RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #43

Glad You Agree on the Experience/Competence Issue On the Road Feb 2016 #59

If lying is an example of experience/competence RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #71

How are you determining competence and experience? Android3.14 Feb 2016 #78

Divide and conquer and polarize might work for Clinton. Worked for Rove. But... Armstead Feb 2016 #20

this was a very good article hill2016 Feb 2016 #22

I found it to be fair and on point as well. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #25

The truth hurts redstateblues Feb 2016 #30

Yep, and it's amazing how many right-wing talking points and vitriol they parrot BuddhaGirl Feb 2016 #77

She�s an easy punching bag for those frustrated with voters they believe should vote for Sanders but workinclasszero Feb 2016 #31

So are you really blind to think that union workers support "guest worker" programs like H-1B? cascadiance Feb 2016 #38

I'm confused by Bernie fans workinclasszero Feb 2016 #60

Are you confusing concerns about corruption of individuals with non-support of unions?... cascadiance Feb 2016 #67

Great article by the way, thanks for bringing it here workinclasszero Feb 2016 #35

Que Lastima! Seriously? Heroes and heroines are not saints dr60omg Feb 2016 #37

Hyperbole much? HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #40

He took the Latino vote..is BS workinclasszero Feb 2016 #50

The truth is we can only rely on polling since race was not listed as a factor in voting. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #62

He took latinos by 8% according to CNN HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #63

No, the Polling Doesn�t Prove Bernie Sanders Won the Hispanic Vote in Nevada workinclasszero Feb 2016 #74

If you look at the data she did not dr60omg Feb 2016 #72

this ignores the trajectory 6chars Feb 2016 #76

yep have a civil rights "icon" make a dishonest hot button subject tweet azurnoir Feb 2016 #49

"the alternative..., that Clinton voters know what they are doing, is too painful to contemplate" alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #51

Yep (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #52

Yep. That bit really stood out. Number23 Feb 2016 #82

Huerta lied and got called on it. Deal with it. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #56

This OP shows how deeply frightened the Hillary crowd has become. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Feb 2016 #61

Sanders did very well with the Latino vote in Nevada. He may have even squeaked out a majority workinclasszero Feb 2016 #64

Good analysis mcar Feb 2016 #65

Better hope not. Or say hello to President-elect Trump. w4rma Feb 2016 #73

Huge K&R!!... SidDithers Feb 2016 #75

This is brilliant! Meaningful quotes abound. Here are my favs so far: R B Garr Feb 2016 #79

kick bigtree Feb 2016 #80

"the electoral equivalent of the white guy in dreads wearing the Che shirt playing guitar" Number23 Feb 2016 #81