2016 Postmortem

djean111

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75. Fast Track means nothing whatsoever can be changed.

Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:38 PM

Feb 2016

Straight up or down vote.
Obama really really pushed for this.
So yeah, the only way to feel about this is - simplistic.

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Honest Question for Hillary Supprters: Do any of you support the TPP? [View all] berni_mccoy Feb 2016 OP

kick kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #1

Crickets. jillan Feb 2016 #2

Let's give it some time. I do want to hear their thoughts on this berni_mccoy Feb 2016 #3

I do too, however Kittycat Feb 2016 #4

It's breaking news because a lobbyist for the Chamber of Commerce berni_mccoy Feb 2016 #8

^^THIS. nt silvershadow Feb 2016 #52

I don't have strong views on the TPP either way firebrand80 Feb 2016 #5

Do you value national sovereignty and laws? The position of American workers? Armstead Feb 2016 #17

I'm not ignorant on the subject nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #21

So you just don't care that people's lives are being ruined when their jobs onecaliberal Feb 2016 #59

I do care firebrand80 Feb 2016 #62

Didn't you say you don't have a particular position either way? onecaliberal Feb 2016 #63

Like I said, it's not so black and white firebrand80 Feb 2016 #73

What is the pro-TPP argument may I ask? gyroscope Feb 2016 #77

That opening up new markets will be a net benefit firebrand80 Feb 2016 #79

By suing and forcing countries to eliminate their labor and environmental laws? gyroscope Feb 2016 #91

For whom? And how do you propose people compete with wages that are 30 cents per hour? onecaliberal Feb 2016 #110

Letting people work for peanuts, or lose jobs and retirements they've worked for onecaliberal Feb 2016 #109

Do you have an educated view? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #20

Yes, I do firebrand80 Feb 2016 #24

Heh heh. You won't release your transcripts either, huh? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #30

Bam! nt Snotcicles Feb 2016 #47

+1 TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #50

The truth, it burns Politicalboi Feb 2016 #57

You know she's lying about her position, but support her anyway? arcane1 Feb 2016 #51

Politicians lie for political expediency all the time nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #54

Does that mean you agree with her eventual TPP support? arcane1 Feb 2016 #58

Again, I don't have strong feelings either way firebrand80 Feb 2016 #70

I hope you're a plumber or something TheFarseer Feb 2016 #65

Have you heard ANY of the reporting on the TPP?!!? gregcrawford Feb 2016 #92

I am currently pulling a trailer littlebit Feb 2016 #6

Fuck everybody else, I've got mine? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #25

Not even remotely what I wrote littlebit Feb 2016 #114

It might not impact you at the moment. nt Snotcicles Feb 2016 #48

That's great TheFarseer Feb 2016 #69

Yeah ok littlebit Feb 2016 #113

So TheFarseer Feb 2016 #115

I'm sure it doesn't to someone littlebit Feb 2016 #116

It will when the corporations get driverless trucking rammed thru Congress Arazi Feb 2016 #102

You do know that there are currently no littlebit Feb 2016 #112

good luck. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #7

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #9

I got banned from my first post, proud of that:) litlbilly Feb 2016 #12

Me too Politicalboi Feb 2016 #68

Didn't we all? Fuddnik Feb 2016 #81

I got banned from the HRC group when I didn't even realize I was posting in it. mac56 Feb 2016 #26

I got banned from the Bernie group vdogg Feb 2016 #42

That happened to me too! dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #78

I support the TPP taught_me_patience Feb 2016 #10

wrong wrong and wrong. if tpp is passed, we will be a 3rd world country instantly litlbilly Feb 2016 #13

Nit instantly. It takes time....But we are starting with a much more marginalized economy... Armstead Feb 2016 #19

You have your opinion and I have mine taught_me_patience Feb 2016 #31

How about the country? How about America? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #36

HilLIARy has hers Politicalboi Feb 2016 #71

It's the same right wing mindset. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #74

Pssst.! Maedhros Feb 2016 #86

Well I'm an economist too, and judging by the effects we've experienced from PatrickforO Feb 2016 #88

NICE JOB... A Vote For Hillary... Perhaps A Vote FOR The TPP? CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #121

Hyperbole. redstateblues Feb 2016 #60

If hyperbole were mosquitoes, we'd all be bloodless. Whoops, another mosquito. eom yawnmaster Feb 2016 #118

Thanks Trajan Feb 2016 #22

So you ignore anyone that has a different opinion than you on a subject? taught_me_patience Feb 2016 #40

The TPP is NOT progessive Politicalboi Feb 2016 #72

Yeah - what's with this bullshit? Maedhros Feb 2016 #87

By suing and forcing countries to eliminate their labor and environmental laws? gyroscope Feb 2016 #94

" this posts has been hidden by a DU Jury" DanTex. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #11

I do, on condition ... The argument that its better to piss in the tent than on it is not a bad one. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #14

it's okay even though it will result in massive loss of US jobs? & immunize Wall St from regulation? amborin Feb 2016 #29

Public Citizen: NAFTA at 20: amborin Feb 2016 #35

Great article citation. I've bookmarked. PatrickforO Feb 2016 #90

IE the conditionally, if we're kept from bleeding jobs and are able to get into the table for China. uponit7771 Feb 2016 #55

please explain your position; what do you mean amborin Feb 2016 #117

Another day, another push poll. nt onehandle Feb 2016 #15

You aren't familiar with what a push poll is el_bryanto Feb 2016 #32

I'm indifferent to it vdogg Feb 2016 #16

Define "we". Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #34

We as in vdogg Feb 2016 #37

The history of these deals has been that overall Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #43

A simple argument... Armstead Feb 2016 #41

So is it your conjecture vdogg Feb 2016 #45

Both... Armstead Feb 2016 #64

It seems like trade should be mainly focused on exchange for goods NOT FOUND in other places... cascadiance Feb 2016 #76

I think there needs to be a happy medium -- But that creates dilemmas Armstead Feb 2016 #84

Yep, like building the steel piece of the bridge overseas to ship to be installed in the Bay Area.. cascadiance Feb 2016 #95

Our local newspaper now has local ads laid out overseas Armstead Feb 2016 #99

Trust me, now that it's becoming clear she does, they will change their tune and sing its praises whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #18

Her supporters like fracking, war, Monsanto and private prison industry. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #23

"You just don't understand how the real world works" whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #27

Must be 'pragmatic' and support RW policies. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #33

They will be voting for a Republican. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #44

I just want a world for my kids and grandkids to grow up in dragonfly301 Feb 2016 #83

Lots of Clintonesque indifference or Pro TPPers. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #28

Most don't consider corporate influence a big problem. Period cali Feb 2016 #38

My guess is that coyote Feb 2016 #56

Neither did Italians under facism. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #66

Just had to ruin it didn't you vdogg Feb 2016 #39

Must be hell for you when I write the truth. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #46

No, but I'm not sure it's a bad thing either. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2016 #49

Fingers in ears Politicalboi Feb 2016 #53

I guess they feel our sovereignty is less important than the needs of multi-national corporations. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #61

There are lots of international small businesses in Florida that like parts of the TPP. Sancho Feb 2016 #67

Fast Track means nothing whatsoever can be changed. djean111 Feb 2016 #75

Can't Obama change it??? Sancho Feb 2016 #82

Yes, it is completely finished. wouldsman Feb 2016 #100

I don't have the link now, but I saw a list of everyone who helped with the TPP. Sancho Feb 2016 #105

I found this...maybe it could still be amended or voted down.... Sancho Feb 2016 #106

It can be voted down completely or voted in completely. NO changes. None. djean111 Feb 2016 #108

The whole thing hasn't been released... Sancho Feb 2016 #111

If you studiously avoid the impact of neoliberalism forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #80

Do you own a small business that crosses international boarders? Sancho Feb 2016 #89

I notice how you completely dodged the subject of forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #93

NAFTA was a mix.. Sancho Feb 2016 #97

Do you think NAFTA had anything to do with the 90s IT boom? forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #98

Check out the contents of the TPP chapters . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #96

I've seen parts of the TPP... Sancho Feb 2016 #101

Dear Mr. Sancho . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #107

1. "she's NOT for it!" 2. "the American middle class has it too good!" MisterP Feb 2016 #85

And relevant to this discussion is Obama's blatant lie in 2008 . . FairWinds Feb 2016 #103

Yes, I support the TPP Freddie Stubbs Feb 2016 #104

This thread says it all. libtodeath Feb 2016 #119

How does the U.S. stay competitive in a world market? eom yawnmaster Feb 2016 #120