2016 Postmortem

beam me up scottie

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131. So you can't prove the claim and are moving the goalposts again.

Reply to MaggieD (Reply #130)

Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:41 AM

Feb 2016

Just as I thought.

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Here's How Black People Actually Fare in Bernie Sanders' Home State [View all] fun n serious Feb 2016 OP

Not much better in NY or Arkansas or Illinois whatever state Clinton calls home CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #1

Sanders can no longer blame Hillary. fun n serious Feb 2016 #2

Unfortunately, Senators and Congressman have little legislative clout in their state. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #4

Given the problem in Vermont couldn't he have acted on it? fun n serious Feb 2016 #16

How does a US Senator "act on it" or "suggest legislation" on a state level? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #52

His constituents felt better with the other Vermont senator on these issues. fun n serious Feb 2016 #54

Red herring, where did they say anything about state legislation? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #55

He couldn't be a sponsor of a bill? fun n serious Feb 2016 #58

Jesus Christ. No, he can't, Bernie's a US Senator. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #59

No, US Senators cannot sponsor state legislation. Please stop trying so hard. cui bono Feb 2016 #106

In other words, Bernie neither walked the walk nor talked the talk. oasis Feb 2016 #68

His constituents went to the other Senator for community issues... fun n serious Feb 2016 #75

All of them? "Bernie Sanders get support of Black Lives Matter activists in Vermont" beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #79

I think you better read your link.... fun n serious Feb 2016 #84

I think you'd better read it, apparently those activists don't think he's ignoring them. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #88

Your link suggests they are glad he is NOW reaching out to them... fun n serious Feb 2016 #93

No it doesn't say that at all. Read it again. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #96

Both of mine do - all the time MaggieD Feb 2016 #105

Lol! Your US Senators enact legislation at the state level? Sure they do. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #107

They suggest stuff all the time - and coordinate with the gov and state Dems MaggieD Feb 2016 #113

But they don't enact legislation at the state level, thanks! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #115

They have heavy influence MaggieD Feb 2016 #118

I'm not the one who didn't understand that US senators can't sponsor legislation at the state level. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #119

Maybe you need to reread your post MaggieD Feb 2016 #122

I don't have anything to excuse him for, but nice try. He's a US Senator not a state legislator. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #123

Well AA in Vermont seem to think you do MaggieD Feb 2016 #124

They all think he's responsible? Do tell. How many Vermonters have you talked to? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #125

Another poster already told you - with quotes MaggieD Feb 2016 #126

Except we're discussing incarceration rates and the prison system in Vermont, remember? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #127

Well he voted for mass incarceration MaggieD Feb 2016 #128

Focus, where did they blame him for Vermont's incarceration rates and prison system? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #129

There you go trying to excuse him again MaggieD Feb 2016 #130

So you can't prove the claim and are moving the goalposts again. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #131

I didn't make any claim - the AA folks in VT made the claims MaggieD Feb 2016 #132

My Senators are very influential at the state level hack89 Feb 2016 #146

why, magic of course. restorefreedom Feb 2016 #149

He isn't a member of the state legislature AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #53

You mean like Hillarios did? Semtex Feb 2016 #78

Mass incaceration of minorities comes courtesy of the Clintons nichomachus Feb 2016 #171

VT has 2nd highest incarceration rate for black prisoners in the nation MADem Feb 2016 #7

but much, much less than the national rate: amborin Feb 2016 #10

You don't understand-VT is 2nd worst in the nation when it comes to jailing their black citizens. nt MADem Feb 2016 #19

Well, at least we know why it's so homogenous, don't we? BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #35

Really--doesn't take too many arrests in a population that small to move the demographic needle. nt MADem Feb 2016 #64

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #60

Yes, indeed. MADem Feb 2016 #63

+1 Ugly, baseless smear attempts do indeed seem desperate. merrily Feb 2016 #20

But it does have something to do with Senators and Representatives, particularly those... George II Feb 2016 #170

Interesting stats from above link fun n serious Feb 2016 #3

Shame that Sanders did not work on his own small state--he might have made a difference. riversedge Feb 2016 #9

What should he have done as a US Senator? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #11

How difficult it must be for some pleople to understand that US Senators Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #28

They used to teach that in civics class. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #30

I understand very well. Are you saying Sanders had no influence what so ever?? riversedge Feb 2016 #91

Have you ever studied basic civics? Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #133

Either Bernie is an influential, transformational figure in American history or he is not hack89 Feb 2016 #147

"proportionally, there are nearly 10 times more black people locked up in Vermont's jails..." JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #5

Not meaningless at all. tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #134

And if Bernie was governor or a state legislator he could do something about it. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #6

You do understand he's made this a campaign issue re: federal prisons? MADem Feb 2016 #13

Um he's been against for profit private prisons for decades, where have you been? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #18

Where's that old Bully Pulpit you folks claim he would use better than anyone else MADem Feb 2016 #24

You cannot introduce legislation in your state if you are a federal legislator. JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #26

Strawman, where did I say any of that? How do you know he didn't talk to the governor? Link? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #29

Why do we even bother, BMUS? We know both law and facts are irrelevant on threads like this. merrily Feb 2016 #22

All we can do is drop off the facts and bow out. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #25

Glad you're well. I am too, though a little tired right now (Eastern time zone here). merrily Feb 2016 #38

Same to you, it's futile to try to counter it all. We do what we can. :) beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #40

Maybe its my imagination butvsome of this "outrage" seems ginned up Armstead Feb 2016 #120

Of course it is, you don't ever see them obsessing over the incarceration rate in THEIR states. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #121

I miss the many smart DUers who used to post. merrily Feb 2016 #140

exactly - like he did during his 25 years in congress - DrDan Feb 2016 #137

So he could not have rallied the public to the cause? I thought he was a leader. hack89 Feb 2016 #148

WAY LESS than the national average: amborin Feb 2016 #8

Your link is from 2007!!! They are now Number TWO in the nation, behind Wisconsin. nt MADem Feb 2016 #14

Black = 37.4% of US prison population 2014 amborin Feb 2016 #27

You don't seem to understand that the comparison here is not about prison population ethnicities. MADem Feb 2016 #153

Irrelevant. A US Senator doesn't run a state. Dean had more to do with these statistics than Sanders merrily Feb 2016 #15

DEAN? He hasn't been governor for years. That's recent data. MADem Feb 2016 #39

Vermont is 2nd worst in the nation. nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #23

it is much less than the national rate which is 37% of prison population is black, Vermont is 10% amborin Feb 2016 #34

The point is, Vermont's population is way less than the national average too Number23 Feb 2016 #104

Well, Bernie called for legalizing pot jfern Feb 2016 #36

A US Senator is not responsible for either Clinton's prison policies or state law or state law merrily Feb 2016 #12

Why has he suddenly made it a campaign issue, then? nt MADem Feb 2016 #17

He's been against the prison industry for decades. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #21

He hasn't been at all effective to this point, has he? MADem Feb 2016 #31

How do you know he didn't talk to Shumlin? Do you have proof of that claim? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #33

Surely if he did, he'd mention it, wouldn't you think? MADem Feb 2016 #42

So you don't have any proof and are making it up? Thanks! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #44

You GAVE me proof, thanks so much! He's been entirely ineffective on this issue, as your video MADem Feb 2016 #47

You said he was ineffective in Vermont, explain how he's supposed to change Vermont law? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #49

Here fun n serious Feb 2016 #61

Red herring, where do they discuss private prisons? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #66

By representing his constituents and taking the matter up with the governor--the way MADem Feb 2016 #62

So his speaking out against it for decades and legislation he sponsored to end it = ignoring it? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #65

He gins up legislation to end FEDERAL private prisons, when he's ignored the issue MADem Feb 2016 #67

You never proved he ignored it or explained how he was supposed to enact state legislation. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #70

If he hadn't ignored it, he would have spoken out about it. These ARE his constituents. MADem Feb 2016 #82

Did you prove he didn't? I must have missed that. Link? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #85

I think you need to do a little link reading, and less hyperposting. nt MADem Feb 2016 #89

You never linked to anything to prove your claim, I'm still waiting. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #92

You've been given links--read them. nt MADem Feb 2016 #99

No I haven't, produce some. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #102

Go back to the OP, start from the top, and work your way down. MADem Feb 2016 #109

I read the entire thread, you failed to prove your claims. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #112

His constituents said they were ignored. Read the link nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #69

Did they discuss the issue at hand? I read the article twice and didn't see that. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #73

All of them? "Bernie Sanders get support of Black Lives Matter activists in Vermont" beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #81

Well, they aren't incarcerated in Michigan, are they? MADem Feb 2016 #86

That red herring was introduced by your associate so I countered it with facts. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #90

What's this "associate" snark? Getting a bit testy? MADem Feb 2016 #95

You seem confused, where do you see "testy" or someone losing their temper? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #97

Your suggestion that I have an "associate" on this thread is a not-so-veiled insinuation of MADem Feb 2016 #98

You seem to be reading an awful lot into my posts, so yes you must be confused. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #101

Ah, doubling down with the personal insults, are you? MADem Feb 2016 #111

If you think I'm being insulting and losing my temper there's no other plausible explanation. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #114

Well, that's exactly what I think. And it's your conduct that gives me that impression. MADem Feb 2016 #154

And that's exactly why I think you're confused since I never insulted you. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #155

You do like to double down, don't you? MADem Feb 2016 #157

"You go out of your way to direct personal insults at individuals who post here." beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #159

You've called me "confused" multiple times in this threadd--and you still pretend there's no proof? MADem Feb 2016 #160

I said you must be confused because you keep saying I insulted you when I clearly didn't. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #161

If you would stick to the issues, and not make it about me--or anyone else--that would improve the MADem Feb 2016 #162

You're the one who started the meta by saying I was "testy" and lost my temper, remember? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #163

And you seem to forget your use of the loaded "associate" word. MADem Feb 2016 #165

'Associate' is a loaded term now? I already explained what I meant several times. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #166

When you create the association and it does not exist, yes, absolutely. MADem Feb 2016 #167

Okay one more post: "organized crime code word" which "suggests criminality and collusion"? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #168

And there it is again! The denigration, and rejection of the obvious. MADem Feb 2016 #169

No he hasn't. Local black leaders say he ignored them. fun n serious Feb 2016 #48

while Hillary still gets $$$$$ from private prison lobbyists: amborin Feb 2016 #32

Until she was called on it then she made a big show of claiming she won't anymore. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #37

And Sanders ignores his OWN constituents, now locked up in a private prison in Michigan. nt MADem Feb 2016 #43

Proof that he's ignoring them while trying to get rid of private prisons? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #46

They're still there, aren't they? First KY, now MI--for twenty long years. MADem Feb 2016 #150

And you still haven't said what you think Bernie should do to solve the problem as a US senator. beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #158

There are many posts about Hillary, this one is about Sanders. nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #71

That person claims to support ANY Democratic candidate Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #41

Truth is not smear. fun n serious Feb 2016 #51

You are smearing because Bernie has NO control over state matters Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #56

^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #57

MaDem answered that several times for you here.... nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #74

No, s/he hasn't Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #77

Seems transparent. Did we blame (or credit) Obama for Illiniois or Chicago? merrily Feb 2016 #139

When does your timeout end? arcane1 Feb 2016 #45

What time out? nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #50

Bernie is not a state legislator or governor in Vermont. He has no say in what goes on in Vermont. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #72

For Vermont fun n serious Feb 2016 #76

He was an Independent until he ran for president. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #100

Did you catch that video of your candidate being so dismissive and condescending to a BLM protestor? Marr Feb 2016 #80

The one Bernie signed? nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #87

It was pretty awful. They shouted her down and Hillary had her removed. Marr Feb 2016 #94

Apparently the protestor wanted to Hillary to explain her remarks about young black men Marr Feb 2016 #103

Oh good grief. gcomeau Feb 2016 #83

What significant laws did he write a Senator? nt fun n serious Feb 2016 #110

For VERMONT? gcomeau Feb 2016 #116

LOL! How absurd is this thread? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #117

That is true everywhere, thanks to Clintonian policies! nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #108

Well just put out another sliced and diced video and try to destroy the BS campaign as was done with Jitter65 Feb 2016 #135

So telling. Firebrand Gary Feb 2016 #136

The Clinton "tough on crimes" bills strike again pdsimdars Feb 2016 #138

What a brilliant OP BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #141

What has he done about this? Let me guess...nothing. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #142

What do you suggest he do? (nt) PotatoChip Feb 2016 #144

This is what I get when I go to the links in the article. PotatoChip Feb 2016 #143

Great post Gothmog Feb 2016 #145

Conflate much? think Feb 2016 #151

Can anyone tell me why anyone responds to this repeated post? mikehiggins Feb 2016 #152

Are you aware that Interstate 91 that runs the length of Vermont is called Vinca Feb 2016 #156

You mean Vermont is only a paradise for the privileged?! yardwork Feb 2016 #164