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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Tough on crime a main policy of Clintons. Hypocritical for them to attack Bernie on his vote. [View all]That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)24. So you wouldn't have said Sanders was pro-rape or against women if he had voted against it?
http://www.vox.com/2016/2/26/11116412/bernie-sanders-mass-incarceration
Sanders framed the 1994 crime law as a compromise
While the Clintons have defended the 1994 crime law until quite recently, Sanders was always careful to point out that he saw the law as a compromise and regularly stated his concerns with mass incarceration.
In 1994, for example, he said that he would support it because it included the Violence Against Women Act, which helped crack down on domestic violence and rape. Sanders said:
I have a number of serious problems with the crime bill, but one part of it that I vigorously support is the Violence Against Women Act. We urgently need the $1.8 billion in this bill to combat the epidemic of violence against women on the streets and in the homes of America.
Earlier in the year, Sanders suggested that he did not see the tough-on-crime parts of the bill as the right solution to crime:
It is my firm belief that clearly there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them.
But it is also my view that through the neglect of our government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming today tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. And, Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country and all of the executions in the world will not make that situation right.
We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails. Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance.
While the Clintons have defended the 1994 crime law until quite recently, Sanders was always careful to point out that he saw the law as a compromise and regularly stated his concerns with mass incarceration.
In 1994, for example, he said that he would support it because it included the Violence Against Women Act, which helped crack down on domestic violence and rape. Sanders said:
I have a number of serious problems with the crime bill, but one part of it that I vigorously support is the Violence Against Women Act. We urgently need the $1.8 billion in this bill to combat the epidemic of violence against women on the streets and in the homes of America.
Earlier in the year, Sanders suggested that he did not see the tough-on-crime parts of the bill as the right solution to crime:
It is my firm belief that clearly there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them.
But it is also my view that through the neglect of our government and through a grossly irrational set of priorities, we are dooming today tens of millions of young people to a future of bitterness, misery, hopelessness, drugs, crime, and violence. And, Mr. Speaker, all the jails in the world and we already imprison more people per capita than any other country and all of the executions in the world will not make that situation right.
We can either educate or electrocute. We can create meaningful jobs, rebuilding our society, or we can build more jails. Mr. Speaker, let us create a society of hope and compassion, not one of hate and vengeance.
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Tough on crime a main policy of Clintons. Hypocritical for them to attack Bernie on his vote. [View all]
madfloridian
Feb 2016
OP
spoke loudly against yet voted for it anyway? no profile in courage award for that move nt
msongs
Feb 2016
#2
And the Clintons loved it, pushed it, took pride in it. "Incarcerating a country."
madfloridian
Feb 2016
#4
evidently sanders loved it too since he voted for it. he voted for it when he could have voted no nt
msongs
Feb 2016
#5
Sometimes you hold your nose and vote for something because it's better than the alternative.
kcass1954
Feb 2016
#52
I know you know better so why side with the Clintons that wanted to imprison those that
rhett o rick
Feb 2016
#17
Turning that around, why should Hillary Clinton be blamed for the Violence Against Women Act...
George II
Feb 2016
#62
You'd have to describe something that actually "works" for it to work both ways.
jeff47
Feb 2016
#68
So let's see if we can guess your point. I think you agree that the bill was devistating to
rhett o rick
Feb 2016
#55
I am not sure why you think it appropriate to claim that I am wealthy. You don't know me.
rhett o rick
Feb 2016
#59
How sad that some choose to worship the Wealthy. The Oligarchy doesn't love you. nm
rhett o rick
Feb 2016
#65
Yes, here is Bernie speaking about that issue and you can bet if he had voted against the bill
Uncle Joe
Feb 2016
#42
So you wouldn't have said Sanders was pro-rape or against women if he had voted against it?
That Guy 888
Feb 2016
#24
Appreciate the kick. It won't get many recs at all. So many have me on ignore.
madfloridian
Feb 2016
#9
Bernie is on the record - clear as can be - and the accusation from ClintonWorld is subterfuge.
AtomicKitten
Feb 2016
#18
More baloney. Of course it's okay to discuss his votes, ALSO okay to discuss Clinton hypocrisy.
madfloridian
Feb 2016
#31
Her buddy DWS is in the times clamoring for more pot smokers in prison.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#30
It was an insane right-wing policy, brought to us by the Third Way and President Clinton.
silvershadow
Feb 2016
#34
That is becuase either many of these folks do not undersatand how these votes happen
nadinbrzezinski
Feb 2016
#36
Don't forget his speech about the Violence Against Women Act in 1994, this is why he voted for it:
beam me up scottie
Feb 2016
#41