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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Sancho
(9,212 posts)251. Obviously, Bernie agrees with you...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-looks-past-south-carolina-loss/
"There's no way we're going to lose Minnesota. I can see that," he said. "You are just too smart."
It's that attitude that ensures Hillary will win the Sunbelt - from Florida to California.
I worked for Richard Riley, two term Democratic Governor of SC and Clinton's Sec. of Education. South Carolinians want change! Gerrymandering and voter manipulation are the real national problem - much more of a problem than Citizen's United. ALEC is more of a problem than inequality. Bernie is wrong, and he doesn't resonate with people who want change.
Young people don't vote. Bernie is hooking his star to a pretty poor wagon to depend on young people.

The poor in SC want SOCIAL JUSTICE...not just economic justice. If Bernie or anyone else wants to win the South as a Democrat, they need to understand that fact. Year's ago I picked tobacco in SC and GA alongside migrants. I worked through college in textile mills. When those jobs went overseas, it was a mixed blessing - the jobs also came with virtual indentureship for black and white alike. The international investments in SC are usually better employers even though there are fewer jobs. Even to hourly workers in SC decades ago, it was obvious that globalization is more often a cause of their problems than some Wall Street bank, and that some kind of international action (maybe a trade agreement, maybe some other kind of deal) is the only way to get a handle on fair competition and currency manipulation.
As a teacher in SC, I saw the way that education changed lives - and raising the minimum wage is not a substitute for simply ensuring that there are good public schools. Again, Hillary is more on track with this and Bernie is off base. Mandatory preschool, equal opportunity for educational success, and educational equality for Dreamers is the key, not free tuition.
Even though I would have voted to hide your OP if I had been on the jury, it would make sense for anyone looking at this primary to see why Bernie cannot get traction with most of the Democrats. It's not the DNC or a CT involving the media. It's simply because Bernie's focus is inconsistent with the concerns of most progressive Democrats, minorities, and immigrants. Careful analysis also shows that Hillary is a better candidate for most unions too. There are good reasons for that view. The SC primary just demonstrated Bernie's weaknesses.
"There's no way we're going to lose Minnesota. I can see that," he said. "You are just too smart."
It's that attitude that ensures Hillary will win the Sunbelt - from Florida to California.
"Exit polls from SC show 19% want more progress, the other 81% are happy with the way things are or want to go backward."
I worked for Richard Riley, two term Democratic Governor of SC and Clinton's Sec. of Education. South Carolinians want change! Gerrymandering and voter manipulation are the real national problem - much more of a problem than Citizen's United. ALEC is more of a problem than inequality. Bernie is wrong, and he doesn't resonate with people who want change.
"1% of the under 30 crowd voted and it's probably because they are scared."
Young people don't vote. Bernie is hooking his star to a pretty poor wagon to depend on young people.

"The poor people of that state have my utmost sympathy. They have been beaten down and oppressed for so long they don't know what's up."
The poor in SC want SOCIAL JUSTICE...not just economic justice. If Bernie or anyone else wants to win the South as a Democrat, they need to understand that fact. Year's ago I picked tobacco in SC and GA alongside migrants. I worked through college in textile mills. When those jobs went overseas, it was a mixed blessing - the jobs also came with virtual indentureship for black and white alike. The international investments in SC are usually better employers even though there are fewer jobs. Even to hourly workers in SC decades ago, it was obvious that globalization is more often a cause of their problems than some Wall Street bank, and that some kind of international action (maybe a trade agreement, maybe some other kind of deal) is the only way to get a handle on fair competition and currency manipulation.
As a teacher in SC, I saw the way that education changed lives - and raising the minimum wage is not a substitute for simply ensuring that there are good public schools. Again, Hillary is more on track with this and Bernie is off base. Mandatory preschool, equal opportunity for educational success, and educational equality for Dreamers is the key, not free tuition.
Even though I would have voted to hide your OP if I had been on the jury, it would make sense for anyone looking at this primary to see why Bernie cannot get traction with most of the Democrats. It's not the DNC or a CT involving the media. It's simply because Bernie's focus is inconsistent with the concerns of most progressive Democrats, minorities, and immigrants. Careful analysis also shows that Hillary is a better candidate for most unions too. There are good reasons for that view. The SC primary just demonstrated Bernie's weaknesses.
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that 61% wasn't enough to swing the state to Dems in either 'o8 or 12 in the GE
azurnoir
Feb 2016
#41
It's a fact getting what you want in the small picture means nada in the big picture
azurnoir
Feb 2016
#48
Funny how a Dem only primary in a majority AA state with large #s of delegates is to be "ignored"
Number23
Feb 2016
#202
So let me get this straight, Hillary winning in GA, Texas and other massive Southern states
Number23
Mar 2016
#359
That was my point, Einstein. You don't know what you're arguing at all, do you?
Number23
Mar 2016
#366
I know this is hard for some to comprehend, but when a person becomes president, that person
still_one
Feb 2016
#52
Tell me which states Hillary's campaign abandoned or in which she has no office, operation or
LuvLoogie
Feb 2016
#272
It's ridiculous that you think they shouldn't be engaged in the process in a meaningful way.
PeaceNikki
Feb 2016
#53
Right, those black voters who voted for Hillary tonight are Confederate flag waving bigots
stevenleser
Feb 2016
#219
Since you're not suggesting that Democrats (the majority of whom are AA) in SC are
onenote
Feb 2016
#312
Someone says to ignore SC results, but it's "silly time in the Clinton Group" Got it.
themaguffin
Feb 2016
#200
And two 90+% white states like Iowa and New Hampshire are representative of the party?
Gothmog
Feb 2016
#87
The African American turnout was 61% today. Are you saying they were forced by
sufrommich
Feb 2016
#26
They're confederate flag waving bigots according to a post upthread, haven't you heard?
stevenleser
Feb 2016
#220
"South Carolina. Too small to be a republic, too large to be an insane asylum"
hobbit709
Feb 2016
#14
Tell me why DUers talk shit about Texas, Texans, and The South in general.
cherokeeprogressive
Feb 2016
#35
It's a recognized primary. It counts. Whatever happens it gets put with other results
HereSince1628
Feb 2016
#30
LOL!! Yeah, put your head in the sand. Ignore SC results. Will you ignore Super
beaglelover
Feb 2016
#38
I spent several hours calling voters in SC today and most were very pleasant and I disagree ...
slipslidingaway
Feb 2016
#49
Wow. And using master/servant when majority of Dem voters in SC are black?!?
Metric System
Feb 2016
#54
I will just add that Senator Sanders would say the poor and oppressed are in more need ...
slipslidingaway
Feb 2016
#60
It truly seems as if the OP doesn't understand that. And as a Bernie supporter I apologize for his
onenote
Feb 2016
#318
I'm not taking the advice of South Carolina Democrats. They haven't won a single statewide election.
w4rma
Feb 2016
#68
Still. The Democrats in South Carolina clearly haven't been able to articulate a counter-message. nt
w4rma
Feb 2016
#79
I did forget about that. Have Democrats in South Carolina tried to do *anything* to change that?
w4rma
Feb 2016
#88
True, but there are conservatives in South Carolina who distrust the things, too.
w4rma
Feb 2016
#97
It has nothing to do with ethnicity. The exit polls say that conservatives and "moderates" dominate
w4rma
Feb 2016
#100
As a Sanders supporter, I have to ask have you taken complete leave of your senses?
The Traveler
Feb 2016
#96
Three cheers for the Clinton campaign, the corporate media and the DNC who all did
mhatrw
Feb 2016
#115
bookmarked - further evidence of hte racism that exists in one group of supporters
DrDan
Feb 2016
#119
I alerted but a previous alert allowed it to remain on a 2-5 vote! Am just stunned.
JimDandy
Feb 2016
#153
just shared your post with Bernie's campaign hq - I am sure they would like to hear
DrDan
Feb 2016
#134
Sometimes people rec an awful post so that everyone sees it...but they usually
Lucinda
Feb 2016
#290
But white people are learned, noble and valiant!1 Whenever they vote, it's because they have
Number23
Feb 2016
#208
But he won the coveted white MEN vote which is really the only vote that counts.
PeaceNikki
Feb 2016
#254
To win in the General Election you need enthusiasm...Hillary doesn't have much.
andrewv1
Feb 2016
#157
like those who vote for Bachmann in Minn, or Christie in NJ, or Walker in Wisc, or Brown in Mass
DrDan
Feb 2016
#217
There's no reason to ignore it-- but there's no reason to worry about it, either.
Marr
Feb 2016
#177
First, please don't mistake my Lincoln avatar with that of the individual who authored the OP.
Trust Buster
Feb 2016
#182
A very good explanation of the dynamics of SC...Curious though of the MSM's sudden "elevation"
andrewv1
Feb 2016
#210
So? The Progressives think they are the base & the Latino's think they are the base & etc & etc...
andrewv1
Feb 2016
#221
This Bernie supporter says no we shouldn't ignore it. Hillary kicked our ass tonite.
jillan
Feb 2016
#204
yeah, RobertEarl, Bernie should just keep on ignoring African-American voters
book_worm
Feb 2016
#258
Right, cuz of there's anyone who we should try to repress, it's the Dems there, most of whom are AA.
PeaceNikki
Feb 2016
#273
I see you want to hold the Civil War against the black voters of South Carolina
CreekDog
Feb 2016
#324
Up 8% in a poll by Suffolk which overestimated Hillary's NH support by 13%. We'll see in 2 days
Vote2016
Feb 2016
#297
"Master/servant style of population"? That's kind of a racist assumption, you know. Just wow.
Hekate
Feb 2016
#299
We can't ignore the facts. The youth did not turn out. Nobody did really. It's like that state is in
thereismore
Feb 2016
#301
I hope you only meant by ignore them, for the Sander's team to ingore the loss
passiveporcupine
Feb 2016
#302
considerably more than voted for your candidate . . . perhaps something wrong there?
DrDan
Feb 2016
#338
I guess the Dean 50 state strategy is dead and buried. Didn't expect a fellow Bernie supporter to be
onenote
Feb 2016
#319
Bernie has no one to blame but himself for not winning even one SC county
misterhighwasted
Feb 2016
#343
Mister-I'm a Bernie supporter, I've met him 3 times over the years,and he wouldn't want your support
RiverNoord
Mar 2016
#367