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2016 Postmortem

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revbones

(3,660 posts)
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 04:45 PM Feb 2016

I'm not on team blue just because I dislike the color red. [View all]

At some point, principles and facts should matter.

Until recently, I had no problem pulling the lever for Hillary if Bernie lost. While I saw her as a corporatist, I expected I would hold my nose because she'd be better than any Republican.

Then I watched her debate Bernie and blatantly lie about both his positions and hers. She (w/ Chelsea & Bill) claimed Bernie would do away with Obamacare and start all over. That $15 was too much to shoot for. Cherry-picking votes from omnibus bills that contained bad things she herself lobbied for. Excusing her own poor judgement with the Iraq vote. Saying that she told Wall St to "cut it out" and that $675,000 directly to her and $2.5million to her campaign is anything but a bribe while she exclaims that it doesn't influence her. The list goes on and on.

No my friends. Integrity matters.

What's been most painful is the incredible willful ignorance of Hillary supporters on this site. I've watched them block people that were only interested in actual conversation, but their candidate can do no wrong and its blasphemy to insinuate that she is anything less than the messiah. If someone quotes a news story or blog post, rather than discuss why it might be false or misleading they attack the poster, or the author, or anyone to avoid confronting the facts.

Granted Hillary has suffered at the right-wing smear machine, but that's served an even more insidious purpose now. It has inoculated Hillary supporters against any consideration against their candidate. Facts be damned, it's Hillary. Anything negative is just right-wing drivel and can't possibly be true.

No, I held myself up as a proud Democrat until this election. It was something to be proud of and I chose this team because it best represented my principles. Now people supposedly on my team are just like supporters on the other team - willfully ignorant and averse to any real consideration of facts. Listening to Trump supporters deflect anything said about Trump, it's the exact same on this forum reading comments in response to someone pointing out a fact like that there are people currently in jail for less than what Hillary's team did in handling classified materials or that millions in Wall St is not just given without expectations. Oh and then follow it up with red-baiting bs. It's disgusting.

Will I vote for Hillary this fall if she wins? I don't know. I do know though that it will be extremely hard to stomach now and her supporters do her no justice by their fact-shaming.

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K/R. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #1
There is a qualitative difference between Hillary supporters and the rest mindwalker_i Feb 2016 #2
We are witnessing the power of the Cult of Hillary... Raster Feb 2016 #3
I think it's not just Hillary mindwalker_i Feb 2016 #7
There definitely could be some type of cognitive dissonance at play. Raster Feb 2016 #13
Well, it is her turn... Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #29
trifecta! Raster Mar 2016 #30
Wrong. nt BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #36
That was a really insightful comment, you have convinced me completely! mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #39
We have very different notions of what integrity is, Hortensis Feb 2016 #4
I"m not sure how to take that revbones Feb 2016 #5
you aren't very good at this yet... snooper2 Mar 2016 #32
Or the commenter just needs to be a better writer revbones Mar 2016 #35
I thought about it, but blah blah, both sides in this election cycle are fucked snooper2 Mar 2016 #38
For me it was the Robert Kagan endorsement. MelungeonWoman Feb 2016 #6
I had to look him up geardaddy Feb 2016 #11
I am sick of... SoapBox Feb 2016 #8
So I guess we should start asking ourselves.... Blue State Bandit Feb 2016 #10
Berniecrats TheSocialDem Feb 2016 #22
I'm down with Berniebros.... Glamrock Mar 2016 #26
She did come around on $15 an hour @Town Hall before SC... Blue State Bandit Feb 2016 #9
indeed -- at what point does excessive pragmatism kill any claims to principles? stupidicus Feb 2016 #12
Her & Bill aid and abet the GOP's Operation Incarceration.... Yurovsky Feb 2016 #14
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #15
Principles and facts should also tell you Bernie, or Hillary are the only alternative to fascism JCMach1 Feb 2016 #16
So you're saying if the one honest person running isn't picked revbones Feb 2016 #17
You think there would be fewer wars with trump than with Hillary? gollygee Mar 2016 #33
Well, aren't Hillary supporters making big assumptions too? revbones Mar 2016 #34
There are lots of people making lots of assumptions on DU lately gollygee Mar 2016 #37
I don't understand how your favorite group is Hillary Clinton. nt valerief Feb 2016 #18
Weird. Didn't see that until you pointed it out. revbones Feb 2016 #20
Hillary supporters are like Trump supporters revbones Feb 2016 #19
Sad but true. FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #21
Thanks nt revbones Mar 2016 #24
This Of Us Who Have Stood With Him From The Beginning, Didn't ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #23
Facts and principles do matter, and you have made a compelling case for that. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #25
K & R GoneFishin Mar 2016 #27
k and r! bbgrunt Mar 2016 #28
Hilary has survived all the scandals for the same reason that the Banksters that caused the Lorien Mar 2016 #31
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