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Rilgin

(797 posts)
119. He is being very fair.
Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:54 PM
Mar 2016

All you are doing is accepting the plausible deniability drafted into the Vote.

Everyone, Senators and Congressmen more than any, knew it was a Vote for war not inspections. This knowledge extended to the street which is why millions were on the street protesting against the coming war.

It was the War Vote and Hillary went the wrong way for political reasons and not for policy reasons. The mainstream thinking was that any peace candidate would be politically damaged when the war went well. It was a political calculation. Ambitious politicians went with it. Thoughtful principled politicians said no or wanted the Levin Amendment which required another Vote to actually pull the plug on war.

The Bush lies were already being exposed at the time if you wanted to actually investigate. That is why people like me who are not Senators knew that the Bush claims on Aluminum Tubes were inauthentic.

This war excuse is part of a long line of excuses that are just made up but which Hillary supporters hang your hat on. Support Doma so no constitutional amendment (This one is the best one yet). Vote against a ban on the use of Cluster Munitions in Civilian Areas (no excuse yet), Campaign promises of Hillary to vote against trade agreements which no one should believe later shown to be false in her emails (Columbia Free Trade). The false memes about Hillary's last actions are endless.

Free yourself of the statements and her politics and actually look at her history and you will feel a lot better. She is a very carefully crafted politicians with image. Her excuses for when reality impede are actually rather pathetic.


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