2016 Postmortem

modestybl

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166. The problem is the tangled web of conflicting interests...

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 02:13 PM

Mar 2016

Clinton Foundation donors, State Department favors, Bill and Hill's personal income (>$100M in speaking fees alone), Hill's campaign donor lists... all of these are braided together in a convoluted way.

When Charity Navigator refuses to rate the Clinton Foundation because of its irregular nature, that should send up a red flag. The Carter Center has no such problem.

For the Clintons, the nature of their organization relies on them being in power... the donors to their causes have multiple interests, and that makes the Foundation hideously opaque.

There doesn't have to be indictments (though there will be)... this is an FBI probe going to continue into the summer and fall.

This may have started with a Judicial Watch request, but there appears to have been violations of the FOIA in the structuring of State Dept. emails. These aren't the bozos in the House, this is the FBI under Obama, and the HRC can't just blow this off.

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Mountains of evidence pointing to serious, deliberate crimes [View all] fbc Mar 2016 OP

Thank you for, once again, carrying the right-wing water for them Tarc Mar 2016 #1

Wow. Head in the sand much? revbones Mar 2016 #6

The whole investigation only started bc of right wing 6chars Mar 2016 #19

Might want to read up a bit revbones Mar 2016 #26

I can answer that. dchill Mar 2016 #35

sometimes there is selective enforcement 6chars Mar 2016 #40

I didn't know everyone in the Federal Government had their own servers A Simple Game Mar 2016 #63

See Colin Powell. Yavin4 Mar 2016 #101

Charge him too Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #121

The issue with Hillary is sending of classfied emails improperly ToxMarz Mar 2016 #165

I see it as a violation of the public trust. Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #194

Hillary uses that "other people did it too" defense a lot. platitudipus Mar 2016 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #185

And the "other people" are ALWAYS republicans n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #233

With whatever respect may be due to the general... Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #197

Selective Enforcement elljay Mar 2016 #81

She still gets the ticket. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #90

Come on man, I have actually heard one clearly stated reason to vote for her pdsimdars Mar 2016 #99

I refuse to even read, much less wallow in that cesspool ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #127

^This^ Punkingal Mar 2016 #105

I didn't know that the right wing made her set up a bone headed server NWCorona Mar 2016 #32

Wasn't that how Watergate started? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #89

How do FOIA requests lead to a criminal investigation by the FBI? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2016 #180

And Watergate was over a botched burglary Press Virginia Mar 2016 #184

Where was the FBI when Karl Rove deleted all those emails from a non-gov server? Perseus Mar 2016 #67

The fact that you mention that as something that was wrong revbones Mar 2016 #68

Director Comey is as straight an arrow as it comes. Beowulf Mar 2016 #95

It will be epic, like Watergate. grasswire Mar 2016 #263

Pay attention, son Tarc Mar 2016 #69

Wow. ignorance of facts doesn't make them less true "son" revbones Mar 2016 #73

You can keep bleating, but no one outside of the GOP actually cares about this Tarc Mar 2016 #79

Then why reply? revbones Mar 2016 #82

Why reply? To put you in your place Tarc Mar 2016 #141

Ah. Doing an excellent job of it then I see. Carry on. But you could revbones Mar 2016 #143

Again, you do not actually care about "the damn emails" Tarc Mar 2016 #148

Congratulations on your newly acquired mind reading skills revbones Mar 2016 #150

Let's forget about "the damn emails" then, Unknown Beatle Mar 2016 #241

I can answer those Tarc Mar 2016 #242

How I love the "welfare bashing" I see around here these days bread_and_roses Mar 2016 #252

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2016 #262

^^^^^THIS^^^^^ n/t JTFrog Mar 2016 #93

Just like the climate deniers pdsimdars Mar 2016 #104

Wrong, I do Phlem Mar 2016 #108

You're in the wrong party Tarc Mar 2016 #140

Maybe he's not. Maybe you are. n/t Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #199

No one cares??? Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #156

ANALYSIS: No, Hillary Clinton Did Not Commit a Crime ... at Least Based on What We Know Today Gothmog Mar 2016 #227

Good. Guess they'll just ignore what they found so far revbones Mar 2016 #231

What have they found? Gothmog Mar 2016 #236

I think you are mistaken revbones Mar 2016 #240

The operational intelligence are reports published in the Washington Post or NYT Gothmog Mar 2016 #248

I still think you are incorrect. The ones I read about are not related to drones. revbones Mar 2016 #249

Provide a link but I have been following this issue for some time Gothmog Mar 2016 #250

Yep, the "Top Secret" Emails Were All About Drones Gothmog Mar 2016 #232

Tell that shit to Chelsea Manning. nt Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #125

Comparing law with the facts of the case is how you decide something is illegal, not by "screaming." merrily Mar 2016 #235

Hillary is leading by a landslide John Poet Mar 2016 #78

Not just there, in the Super Tuesday states too. brush Mar 2016 #87

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #139

Find reality quickly please. Super Tuesday is today and results will overwhelmingly favor Clinton. brush Mar 2016 #147

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #153

Please put the joint down and step away from the keyboard. brush Mar 2016 #172

SHe is leading with Low Information Voters Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #133

You really do live in your own little world. Loki Mar 2016 #181

Exactly!!! n/t marew Mar 2016 #224

How much do you make doing this? brush Mar 2016 #83

Doing what? revbones Mar 2016 #84

Ken Starr azureblue Mar 2016 #128

David Brock revbones Mar 2016 #129

Well lokie here. I don't have you on ignore yet! thereismore Mar 2016 #30

Well lookie here, a Camp Sanders fellow who is unable to deal with opposing p.o.v.s Tarc Mar 2016 #65

"Enjoy the bubble." Phlem Mar 2016 #115

Can you squeeze in a few more buzzwods and smileys in there? Tarc Mar 2016 #134

Typical, avoiding the issues. Phlem Mar 2016 #221

well lookie here azureblue Mar 2016 #138

No, We will be here forever. Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #162

THIS obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #36

Specifics? n/t fredamae Mar 2016 #37

This is something that should at least be taken into account if you want a Democrat in the WH. Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #60

This reminds me of Iran-contra, when Reagan's backers John Poet Mar 2016 #85

Yep. I was taken n by John Edwards' populism, because I worried that Obama was too tblue37 Mar 2016 #88

So to you Hillary's negatives Loki Mar 2016 #198

What about all the dirty tricks against Sanders carried out by Debbie Schultz of DNC to Cal33 Mar 2016 #91

you're kidding yourself green917 Mar 2016 #130

Exactly...sometimes I wonder where I am when I read joeybee12 Mar 2016 #171

We have been teleported to Free Republic Loki Mar 2016 #206

Lots... joeybee12 Mar 2016 #214

Nice refutation of the article's assertions of fact. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #191

Oh wait...allegations are facts... joeybee12 Mar 2016 #212

Um...maybe look up "assertions" and get back to me, m'kay? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #215

Not gonna bother...I dont' need to...thanks for playing...nt joeybee12 Mar 2016 #219

Your response argues otherwise. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #223

Oh you mean like when Hillary supporter Harry R. tries to promote Republicans Phlem Mar 2016 #238

That's kinda funny since Clinton joined the fucking right wing when we needed her the most. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #259

Thank you for supporting a right-wing candidate cui bono Mar 2016 #261

I just hope she picks a decent vice-president Merryland Mar 2016 #2

You Probably Should Brush Up on How Impeachment Works Stallion Mar 2016 #12

Yeah, well, there's that. grossproffit Mar 2016 #55

Enlighten us... demwing Mar 2016 #177

Impeachment? grossproffit Mar 2016 #16

No way the GOP's corporate masters allow impeachment anyway. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #228

Translation: Benghazi! FSogol Mar 2016 #3

No, "the opposite of benghazi" fbc Mar 2016 #5

SSDD. FSogol Mar 2016 #8

Silly liberals. Don't you realize Hillary can do no wrong? Gary 50 Mar 2016 #112

And what wrong with being a liberal? Loki Mar 2016 #193

I've been meaning to ask Debbie Wasserman Schultz that... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #230

You nailed it. wryter2000 Mar 2016 #76

From the author who brought you: "Obama´s Shameful Refusal to Attend Scalia´s Funeral" brooklynite Mar 2016 #4

Attack the messenger, ignore the facts. Just another day for Hillary supporters. n/t revbones Mar 2016 #9

Post bullshit from right wing hacks, Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #110

Call something they don't agree with "bullshit" Good job. You win. revbones Mar 2016 #114

It is bullshit. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #116

What RW source did I cite? Do tell. revbones Mar 2016 #119

Dispute it with facts then please. revbones Mar 2016 #120

RW sources should not be here. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #123

What RW sources??? Please tell me. revbones Mar 2016 #126

The author you cite in your OP is a RW hack. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #135

What author did I cite? Are you sure you have the right person? revbones Mar 2016 #146

Nevermind. Thought I was arguing with the OP. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #175

Look at the original post and see who posted it. HAHAHAHAHA revbones Mar 2016 #179

I already edited and fixed it when I realized. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #183

Still misrepresenting things revbones Mar 2016 #196

Wow, they went there. Loki Mar 2016 #216

All these last-second attacks by RealClear, HuffPost, Newsmax, Goodman, Greenwald, etc... randome Mar 2016 #7

Again - Attack the messenger, ignore the facts. Just another day for Hillary supporters. n/t revbones Mar 2016 #10

What facts? The article is 99% 'what-if' scenarios. randome Mar 2016 #13

Well you said it "Other than the fact that the FBI is coordinating the investigation" revbones Mar 2016 #15

Ah, so it's just another attempt to affect the outcome of Super Tuesday. randome Mar 2016 #18

Effect Super Tuesday? Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #176

No, not DU, but HuffPost, NewsMax, Intercept, etc. are all vying for eyeballs right now. randome Mar 2016 #201

To sell copy and advertising space. Money Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #208

I stopped reading at ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #200

You read that far? randome Mar 2016 #226

Your apologist posts are a waste BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #42

Well, your loss, I suppose. randome Mar 2016 #57

Love the gossip tabloid articles metroins Mar 2016 #11

So you're calling the truth "Rw talking points"? revbones Mar 2016 #17

They are incredibly ignorant SheenaR Mar 2016 #25

Show one piece of facts metroins Mar 2016 #41

It is an ongoing active investigation with 100+ FBI agents. revbones Mar 2016 #49

Where, where is the proof of indictment? metroins Mar 2016 #52

That's a bit obtuse don't you think? revbones Mar 2016 #53

No. Show an indictment pending or any facts metroins Mar 2016 #54

Is that your argument? Really? revbones Mar 2016 #56

I've read all about it metroins Mar 2016 #58

Obviously not. revbones Mar 2016 #59

In fact, they have found that most of the emails in question Loki Mar 2016 #202

Are sure you support Bernie? rbrnmw Mar 2016 #61

Explain how concern over an active FBI investigation is a RW smear n/t revbones Mar 2016 #62

More like right-wing talking points masquerading as "truth" Zambero Mar 2016 #46

Which allegation is half-baked and politically motivated? That she is under investigation? Gary 50 Mar 2016 #131

No, not the investigation Zambero Mar 2016 #280

Vince Foster! Whitewater! nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #14

Yep. The FBI and 100 agents is exactly the same revbones Mar 2016 #20

100 agents! Oh noes!!! nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #24

Good response! Completely obliterated my point by saying "oh noes" revbones Mar 2016 #28

How much are you paid? brush Mar 2016 #96

Good response. Rather than reply or even acknowledge facts, just insinuate I'm a right-wing shill. revbones Mar 2016 #98

You pretty much fit the description. brush Mar 2016 #106

And that description being someone that has an opposing viewpoint to you. Nice. revbones Mar 2016 #107

Nah, the low post count at this late stage in the primary process and the repug talking points brush Mar 2016 #124

How many people do you think it should take to review hundreds of thousands of emails? randome Mar 2016 #100

Oh. Guess that makes it ok then. Carry on. revbones Mar 2016 #102

You brought up the '100 agents' point. randome Mar 2016 #117

Ok, so the distinction changes things? Makes them less true? revbones Mar 2016 #118

Seriously? 100 agents? LOL! Nothing else going on I guess. Laser102 Mar 2016 #151

More like 150 FBI agents, over 50 state department employees along with the people at the DOJ NWCorona Mar 2016 #39

Travelgate. 6chars Mar 2016 #50

Shhh. It's Super Tuesday. Go watch the GOP turn on itself. Hortensis Mar 2016 #21

Painful? Skwmom Mar 2016 #22

Lipson is a right-wing stooge. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #23

Perhaps, but the FBI is not a wingnut organization that is part of the GOP. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #186

I continue to wonder about Biden GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #27

What specifically were the "serious deliberate crimes"?? DCBob Mar 2016 #29

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU IGNORE THIS FACT?? randome Mar 2016 #34

LOL! DCBob Mar 2016 #48

I am sure all of the Hillary supporters blowing this off as not serious held security clearances Matt_in_STL Mar 2016 #31

No, they would not zipplewrath Mar 2016 #152

Obama has had a real hard-on for prosecuting people who mishandled data. Maedhros Mar 2016 #188

And in those cases zipplewrath Mar 2016 #264

No attempt to cover it up? Maedhros Mar 2016 #265

Really zipplewrath Mar 2016 #267

I work in security for a large regional bank, and I handle data loss/theft incidents. Maedhros Mar 2016 #273

It's required zipplewrath Mar 2016 #275

You don't work for the State Department. Maedhros Mar 2016 #277

My hero? zipplewrath Mar 2016 #278

I trust my own experience with the FBI and other Federal law enforcement agencies Maedhros Mar 2016 #279

And I trust mine zipplewrath Mar 2016 #282

Yeah, and Benghazi is going to destroy Hillary! We got her now!! nt BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #33

The FBI isn't benghazi NWCorona Mar 2016 #44

Can the Bill Clinton House GOP impeachment team be reconvened now? Zambero Mar 2016 #38

I won't be used as a tool for the right... NCTraveler Mar 2016 #43

Who is carrying the GOP Water again? fredamae Mar 2016 #45

DWS is being protective of Florida with this but, yeah, it does not reflect well on her or the DNC. randome Mar 2016 #51

My GOD can she ever go lower? actslikeacarrot Mar 2016 #86

There is enough dirt associated with the Clinton Foundation alone to sink her battleship yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #47

Only if you read nothing but RW sources and ignore all the good Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #113

Same strategy the Koch brothers use - quite a bit of good to distract from the bad. TryLogic Mar 2016 #132

Nope. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #137

I am so ready to say "I told you so." That's the real no-brainer around here. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #64

Kickin' for the truth! Faux pas Mar 2016 #66

Hillary is the oligarch's gal, nothing will come of this. jalan48 Mar 2016 #70

I sure hope so stupidicus Mar 2016 #71

My parents said the same thing with the investigations of Nixon. Nothing would change their mind. LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #72

As much as I really don't care for HRC, it's so pathetic for so-called Democrats to be going after Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2016 #74

Unless she traded classified information to get sex...... Mustellus Mar 2016 #75

OMG, here we go again. lark Mar 2016 #77

We need to know! Duval Mar 2016 #80

Even if Clinton gets indicted... dcbuckeye Mar 2016 #92

Dirty Deeds (Not) Done Dirt Cheap... Wonder if Angus and the Boys would let the Campaign use it? AzDar Mar 2016 #94

Charles Lipson - Thanks for your concern. enough said. n/t pkdu Mar 2016 #97

the fact that the FBS keeps putting the crap out... artyteacher Mar 2016 #103

Sure, and Michelle Obama's"Whitey Speech" @ Rev. Wright's church is still there!... LW1977 Mar 2016 #109

actually, that isn't true.... getagrip_already Mar 2016 #111

The problem is you're responding to a mischaracterization of this defense. jeff47 Mar 2016 #122

So do you zipplewrath Mar 2016 #149

She is the one who caused them to be stored in an unclassified environment. jeff47 Mar 2016 #158

She as ALLOWED to... zipplewrath Mar 2016 #182

That approval did not include storing classified on that server. jeff47 Mar 2016 #207

So you know. zipplewrath Mar 2016 #266

Well...it's the State department. She was SoS. jeff47 Mar 2016 #268

And they haven't accusted her of a cover up zipplewrath Mar 2016 #269

Yet. jeff47 Mar 2016 #270

Nor of being a martian either zipplewrath Mar 2016 #271

I'm suggesting that the FBI isn't done. jeff47 Mar 2016 #272

I'm suggesting there is nothing there zipplewrath Mar 2016 #274

actually, i'm not... getagrip_already Mar 2016 #164

Yes, you are. Right here. jeff47 Mar 2016 #167

bzzttt getagrip_already Mar 2016 #190

Zero evidence....like the DNI IG saying it jeff47 Mar 2016 #204

They weren't marked because Hillary asked that the "marks" be removed Oilwellian Mar 2016 #281

You're confusing the sheep with facts and logic Tarc Mar 2016 #145

just trying to edemecate a little... getagrip_already Mar 2016 #173

Are these classified emails pugetres Mar 2016 #136

Thank you for your concern. It is noted. beaglelover Mar 2016 #142

I wouldn't trust ANY Clinton to even take out my garbage. SoapBox Mar 2016 #144

Shameful. Cheviteau Mar 2016 #154

I believe in the end, this is what will get her monicaangela Mar 2016 #157

I think that the Bernie supporters should apply for entrance into the Republican Party at this point Trust Buster Mar 2016 #159

Yes shenmue Mar 2016 #258

Aside from the facts cited in the OP, wasn't part of Hillary's job to decide what was classified? merrily Mar 2016 #160

The FBI is not... zentrum Mar 2016 #161

Consentrate on the Issues!!!! HenryWallace Mar 2016 #163

The problem is the tangled web of conflicting interests... modestybl Mar 2016 #166

Benghazi!! JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #168

Hillary Clinton once shivved me for buying 13 items in the express lane Orrex Mar 2016 #169

Oh, come on. You're making that up, right? randome Mar 2016 #220

Well, you caught me. Orrex Mar 2016 #234

Clinton's excuse for mixing personal and official SoS emails is totally bogus... tex-wyo-dem Mar 2016 #170

Blah, blah,, blah, blahblah. Loki Mar 2016 #174

If she becomes the nominee . . . Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #178

Unless...a stray neutron bomb 'accidentally' destroys all FBI agents worldwide. randome Mar 2016 #189

With a post like that, Major Hogwash is a good name for you.. LW1977 Mar 2016 #192

Thanks. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #209

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #187

So many Freepers masquerading as Sanders supporters in here. LW1977 Mar 2016 #195

Good job disputing the facts by name calling. +10pts revbones Mar 2016 #203

The Clenis did it! Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2016 #205

Three words in two sentences with a slight variation: Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #210

Benghazi! nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #211

of all the reasons to never vote for clinton this just isnt one of them. basselope Mar 2016 #213

Agreed. I think Senator Sanders said it the best. n/t Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #217

Crimes Shmimes... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #218

She's never struck me as all that smart. closeupready Mar 2016 #247

I'm beginning to agree that this is a big problem for Clinton. blackspade Mar 2016 #222

Officials: New Top Secret Clinton Emails 'Innocuous' Gothmog Mar 2016 #225

this is information that these same critics praise Snowden for revealing bigtree Mar 2016 #260

if they were so serious the gop would have her in court and fox news MariaThinks Mar 2016 #229

If the FBI had anything meaningful, Biden would be jumping into the race Gothmog Mar 2016 #237

Meh. I think Biden's burnt and wants no part of the crazy anymore. Phlem Mar 2016 #239

The Democratic Party would have a plan b in place Gothmog Mar 2016 #251

Hmm... Phlem Mar 2016 #254

Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President. George II Mar 2016 #243

As to your first sentence, you probably missed this: George II Mar 2016 #244

The FBI has mountains of evidence pointing to serious, deliberate crimes? Really? Nitram Mar 2016 #245

The reason you KNOW it's a real scandal is because the repigs are not overplaying it / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #246

That technique works both ways. Phlem Mar 2016 #255

If there is going to be an indictment then they need to get going. WDIM Mar 2016 #253

fbc? 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #256

So it's coming down the Clinton Machine v. the FBI 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #257

More right wing sources and nonsense on DU MaggieD Mar 2016 #276