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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Mountains of evidence pointing to serious, deliberate crimes [View all]bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)252. How I love the "welfare bashing" I see around here these days
"No, welfare should be a temporary situation to get people back on their feet, not a years-long landing spot."
First, few people on "welfare" ever regarding it as some sort of soft "landing spot" as you imply - and a great many, if not most, went on and off as they found work. Unfortunately, most jobs that most people on "welfare' were and are able to get are both low-paid and totally unforgiving of anything like a sick child. Schedules are often also near-impossible for anyone who either has a child or who does not have a car. Among the many reasons that low-wage workers are in and out of work. There was plenty of data at the time to show this pattern, but Clinton chose to pretend it was all about "personal responsibility."
Furthermore, "welfare" did not then and does not now give anyone enough to live on. I live in NY, one of the more "generous" states regarding welfare. Nonetheless, it was not unusual then and is not now for the entire "welfare check" to go for rent, leaving nothing for anything else - not clothes, not toilet paper, not dish soap. Toilet paper and dish soap - also body soap and toothpaste - were among the most frequent items clients would ask me if I could find them some help to get. I don't know about you, but I don't call that a "landing spot."
Clinton's "welfare reform" also made it HARDER for people "to get back on their feet" by reducing their education options, for one.
http://www.thirteen.org/metrofocus/2011/07/5-ways-new-yorkers-say-welfare-policies-fail-them/
#5 Full-time student? You still need to work 30 hours a week: Before the 1996 Welfare Reform law, 30,000 students who received benefits attended CUNY. Today, CUNY only has only 6,000 students who receive benefits The 1996 law limited recipients of cash assistance to one year of post-secondary education and began cutting off benefits for students unless they spent 30 hours a week working.
Additionally, the draconian regulations and penalties often mean that people are thrown even deeper into poverty if anything goes wrong and they break one of the "rules" - like losing a job because your day-care provider got sick, or terminated you because your schedule made you pick up the child late on too many times.
Since there is not and never has been adequate subsidized child-care for people on "welfare" these were the kinds of nightmare scenarios I saw when I worked in the field. And many more. I could go on and on.
There is no question that "welfare reform" caused untold pain, stress, hardship, and yes, actual hunger and cold and homelessness.
http://www.cbpp.org/research/family-income-support/tanf-cash-benefits-continued-to-lose-value-in-2013
As of July 1, 2013, every states benefits for a family of three with no other cash income were below 50 percent of the federal poverty line, measured by the Department of Health and Human Services 2013 poverty guidelines. Benefits were below 30 percent of the poverty line in most states. And, the TANF benefit level for a family of three with no other cash income is less than the Fair Market Rent for a two-bedroom apartment in every state, nationwide.[1] In fact, in 25 states, TANF benefits cover less than half of the Fair Market Rent. When SNAP benefits (the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, formerly known as food stamps) are added to TANF family grants, families with no other income are still below the poverty line.
TANF provides a safety net to relatively few poor families: in 2012, just 25 families received TANF benefits for every 100 poor families, down from 68 families receiving TANF for every 100 in poverty in 1996.
TANF provides a safety net to relatively few poor families: in 2012, just 25 families received TANF benefits for every 100 poor families, down from 68 families receiving TANF for every 100 in poverty in 1996.
I worked for years and years with people on welfare - both in the state system itself & for private NFPs. I could go on and on. But I won't. It's obvious around here that it is now OK to spout right-wing talking points and myths about people "on welfare."
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Where was the FBI when Karl Rove deleted all those emails from a non-gov server?
Perseus
Mar 2016
#67
ANALYSIS: No, Hillary Clinton Did Not Commit a Crime ... at Least Based on What We Know Today
Gothmog
Mar 2016
#227
The operational intelligence are reports published in the Washington Post or NYT
Gothmog
Mar 2016
#248
I still think you are incorrect. The ones I read about are not related to drones.
revbones
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#249
Comparing law with the facts of the case is how you decide something is illegal, not by "screaming."
merrily
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#235
Find reality quickly please. Super Tuesday is today and results will overwhelmingly favor Clinton.
brush
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#147
Well lookie here, a Camp Sanders fellow who is unable to deal with opposing p.o.v.s
Tarc
Mar 2016
#65
This is something that should at least be taken into account if you want a Democrat in the WH.
Dustlawyer
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#60
Yep. I was taken n by John Edwards' populism, because I worried that Obama was too
tblue37
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#88
What about all the dirty tricks against Sanders carried out by Debbie Schultz of DNC to
Cal33
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#91
That's kinda funny since Clinton joined the fucking right wing when we needed her the most.
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#259
From the author who brought you: "Obama´s Shameful Refusal to Attend Scalia´s Funeral"
brooklynite
Mar 2016
#4
Attack the messenger, ignore the facts. Just another day for Hillary supporters. n/t
revbones
Mar 2016
#9
All these last-second attacks by RealClear, HuffPost, Newsmax, Goodman, Greenwald, etc...
randome
Mar 2016
#7
Again - Attack the messenger, ignore the facts. Just another day for Hillary supporters. n/t
revbones
Mar 2016
#10
Well you said it "Other than the fact that the FBI is coordinating the investigation"
revbones
Mar 2016
#15
No, not DU, but HuffPost, NewsMax, Intercept, etc. are all vying for eyeballs right now.
randome
Mar 2016
#201
Which allegation is half-baked and politically motivated? That she is under investigation?
Gary 50
Mar 2016
#131
Good response. Rather than reply or even acknowledge facts, just insinuate I'm a right-wing shill.
revbones
Mar 2016
#98
And that description being someone that has an opposing viewpoint to you. Nice.
revbones
Mar 2016
#107
Nah, the low post count at this late stage in the primary process and the repug talking points
brush
Mar 2016
#124
How many people do you think it should take to review hundreds of thousands of emails?
randome
Mar 2016
#100
More like 150 FBI agents, over 50 state department employees along with the people at the DOJ
NWCorona
Mar 2016
#39
Perhaps, but the FBI is not a wingnut organization that is part of the GOP.
Major Hogwash
Mar 2016
#186
I am sure all of the Hillary supporters blowing this off as not serious held security clearances
Matt_in_STL
Mar 2016
#31
I work in security for a large regional bank, and I handle data loss/theft incidents.
Maedhros
Mar 2016
#273
I trust my own experience with the FBI and other Federal law enforcement agencies
Maedhros
Mar 2016
#279
DWS is being protective of Florida with this but, yeah, it does not reflect well on her or the DNC.
randome
Mar 2016
#51
There is enough dirt associated with the Clinton Foundation alone to sink her battleship
yourpaljoey
Mar 2016
#47
Same strategy the Koch brothers use - quite a bit of good to distract from the bad.
TryLogic
Mar 2016
#132
I am so ready to say "I told you so." That's the real no-brainer around here.
highprincipleswork
Mar 2016
#64
My parents said the same thing with the investigations of Nixon. Nothing would change their mind.
LiberalArkie
Mar 2016
#72
As much as I really don't care for HRC, it's so pathetic for so-called Democrats to be going after
Liberal_Stalwart71
Mar 2016
#74
Dirty Deeds (Not) Done Dirt Cheap... Wonder if Angus and the Boys would let the Campaign use it?
AzDar
Mar 2016
#94
Sure, and Michelle Obama's"Whitey Speech" @ Rev. Wright's church is still there!...
LW1977
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#109
I think that the Bernie supporters should apply for entrance into the Republican Party at this point
Trust Buster
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#159
Aside from the facts cited in the OP, wasn't part of Hillary's job to decide what was classified?
merrily
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#160
Clinton's excuse for mixing personal and official SoS emails is totally bogus...
tex-wyo-dem
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#170
Unless...a stray neutron bomb 'accidentally' destroys all FBI agents worldwide.
randome
Mar 2016
#189
Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President.
George II
Mar 2016
#243
The FBI has mountains of evidence pointing to serious, deliberate crimes? Really?
Nitram
Mar 2016
#245
The reason you KNOW it's a real scandal is because the repigs are not overplaying it /
FlatBaroque
Mar 2016
#246