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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: ELECTION SPOILER: Obama wins in a LANDSLIDE [View all]johnlucas
(1,250 posts)29. You might wanna read this: "History says be skeptical of presidential polls"
I use polls for toilet paper to put it euphemistically.
The media is invested in a "horse race".
Reality doesn't care with the media wants.
History says be skeptical of presidential polls
Some excerpts for ya.
Both Gallup and The American Presidency project provide handy looks at polling and results from previous presidential elections. Often, the final polls were pretty close to the final outcomes, but there have been far too many cases of polling being notably off the mark, as well as instances of elections changing rather dramatically in the final weeks.
In 2008, the final Gallup poll of likely voters put Obama at 53 percent and John McCain at 42 percent. Obama won 52.6 percent to 46.0 percent. Spot on with Obama, but underestimating McCain by four points.
Back in 1940, the last poll (of adults) on Oct. 31 had President Franklin Roosevelt leading Republican Wendell Willkie by a mere47 percent to 45 percent. FDR wound up winning big, by 54.7 percent to 44.8 percent. A similar phenomenon occurred in 1944, with a Nov. 3 poll putting FDR up by only 48 percent to 47 percent versus Thomas Dewey. FDR again won by a rather handy 53.4 percent to 45.9 percent.
In 2008, the final Gallup poll of likely voters put Obama at 53 percent and John McCain at 42 percent. Obama won 52.6 percent to 46.0 percent. Spot on with Obama, but underestimating McCain by four points.
Back in 1940, the last poll (of adults) on Oct. 31 had President Franklin Roosevelt leading Republican Wendell Willkie by a mere47 percent to 45 percent. FDR wound up winning big, by 54.7 percent to 44.8 percent. A similar phenomenon occurred in 1944, with a Nov. 3 poll putting FDR up by only 48 percent to 47 percent versus Thomas Dewey. FDR again won by a rather handy 53.4 percent to 45.9 percent.
Check it.
As for elections shifting in the late stages, in 2000, an Oct. 6 poll had George W. Bush at 48 percent and Al Gore at 41 percent, and as late as Oct. 26, Bush was up among likely voters in the Gallup poll by 52 percent to 39 percent. Again, the final vote was Gore 48.4 percent and Bush 47.9 percent.
Most dramatic, on Oct. 27, 1980, Gallup had President Jimmy Carter beating Ronald Reagan by 45 percent to39 percent. Of course, Reagan won by 50.7 percent to 41.0 percent.
And in 1976, the Gallup poll on Oct. 30 had President Gerald Ford at
47 percent and Jimmy Carter at 46 percent. Carter won 50.1 percent to 48.0 percent.
Most dramatic, on Oct. 27, 1980, Gallup had President Jimmy Carter beating Ronald Reagan by 45 percent to39 percent. Of course, Reagan won by 50.7 percent to 41.0 percent.
And in 1976, the Gallup poll on Oct. 30 had President Gerald Ford at
47 percent and Jimmy Carter at 46 percent. Carter won 50.1 percent to 48.0 percent.
I leave you with this last line from article author Raymond J. Keating.
The big lesson? Dont be surprised if things diverge, perhaps quite markedly, on Election Day compared to what even the most recent polls communicate, never mind polls taken a month away from when people actually cast their ballots.
John Lucas
P.S.: Remember that Dewey Defeated Truman.
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If everybody votes, or GETS to vote, you are right -- if they count the votes!
immoderate
Oct 2012
#4
Quit thinking of the Republicans as Masterminds. They're just unchallenged crooks
johnlucas
Oct 2012
#5
+1,000. I think I'm going to click on this thread and your strong words every day! Thanks for this.
freshwest
Nov 2012
#79
These polls only measure a sample of voters. None ask the whole country how they feel
johnlucas
Oct 2012
#11
You really think President Obama's share of the popular vote will jump 13 percent over 2008
onenote
Oct 2012
#38
Not a landslide, but a win nonetheless. And yes, all this pussy wussying over ONE debate is INSANE.
RBInMaine
Oct 2012
#16
Cynicism was pushed as being smart in 2010 and we can see what that got us, the
freshwest
Nov 2012
#98
Hmm, maybe if the Romney campaign has a big upcoming blunder or October surprise to its detriment.
anAustralianobserver
Oct 2012
#33
To this day, I still get a kick out of Rick Santorum's "Blah People" comment.
CheapShotArtist
Oct 2012
#34
I like how you think, and I'm bookmarking your thread to keep you honest!
CaliforniaPeggy
Oct 2012
#45
This one's for you, Edith Childs. From the band Fojeba with their Afro-Latino beat!
johnlucas
Nov 2012
#120
Nov. 5th is here & Obama will continue slapping the taste out of Romney's mouth on Nov. 6th
johnlucas
Nov 2012
#119
That's right. Halloween masks have predicted the winner of elections for years now
johnlucas
Oct 2012
#70
Let's keep laughing all the way! The universe rewards the purest love. Or something like that.
freshwest
Nov 2012
#91
'We will have the last laugh & our purest love will be rewarded by the universe.'
freshwest
Nov 2012
#94
What an amazing analysis! I agree with you 100%, but election fraud still scares the hell out of
Stardust
Nov 2012
#89
Thank you Stardust. Let's look at Obama's Electoral Count in 2008 right quick
johnlucas
Nov 2012
#90
Words to live by! Why manage others' lives? Too much time on their hands, maybe.
freshwest
Nov 2012
#122