2016 Postmortem

peacebird

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152. Hillary is most honest poll we have ever had? Sniper fire? Flipflops from pragmatist to progressive?

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 08:55 AM

Mar 2016

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Bernie, on the other hand, is steady, honest, compassionate and a politician with true integrity.

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NEWSFLASH: Most of the US is not the Deep South, and Sanders is winning outside of Dixie [View all] Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 OP

Great analysis Robbins Mar 2016 #1

So many conspiracies. redstateblues Mar 2016 #7

Don't understand why "Clinton can't win southern states in the GE" keeps getting repeated? brush Mar 2016 #55

The point is that her strength in Red states isn't as useful when it comes to the GE. nt Gore1FL Mar 2016 #82

Trump will win them roguevalley Mar 2016 #94

I got that point but it's a useless point since we don't need to win those states in the GE brush Mar 2016 #96

We won in '08 and '12 without those states brush Mar 2016 #115

What did I say that was contrary to that? n/t Gore1FL Mar 2016 #143

But that's a meaningless point. Garrett78 Mar 2016 #145

Red states have less proportional delegates. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #155

But Clinton's an overwhelming favorite in those large states. Garrett78 Mar 2016 #156

CA and NY are large states. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2016 #157

Yes, they are. Garrett78 Mar 2016 #160

I suspect that most off the delegates will be split in one fashion or another in almost all of them Gore1FL Mar 2016 #161

I meant he would be lucky to get an even split... Garrett78 Mar 2016 #162

There are many contests left. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #163

Of course he's not eliminated. Garrett78 Mar 2016 #164

She was the favorite in 3 of the 4 states he won on super Tuesday. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #166

She can get the nomination relying in part on the Southern states. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #102

That's like saying Obama couldn't win California because he lost the primary by 7 points onenote Mar 2016 #146

K&R amborin Mar 2016 #2

This was alerted on... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #3

You've got to be kidding!!! FlaGranny Mar 2016 #105

of course it was... don't you know that in the HRC Hive, all dissension is forbidden... Raster Mar 2016 #123

Nailed it.... Sadly. peacebird Mar 2016 #151

Hillary supporters are the flies on the LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #107

I know beltanefauve Mar 2016 #140

More kicking and screaming. grossproffit Mar 2016 #4

HaHa. Every time Bernie loses redstateblues Mar 2016 #5

She is also leading - in some cases by large margins - in BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #11

and I would say, Colorado and Minnesota mountain grammy Mar 2016 #57

Also Hillary lost Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #113

and I read turnout was huge in MN too! mountain grammy Mar 2016 #135

Turnout is down because she has nowhere to add voters.. grasswire Mar 2016 #136

If these Dixie states were calendared on the same day as NY or California, this race would not even Vote2016 Mar 2016 #6

Likewise, if the primaries didnt start in the... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #13

California has a huge Latino population, why do you think Sanders is going to there? brush Mar 2016 #56

I do but that wasn't my point. My point was if Dixie was not frontloaded, no one would think Hillary Vote2016 Mar 2016 #148

I still don't get it. brush Mar 2016 #158

NEWSFLASH: THAT DOES NOT MATTER! KingFlorez Mar 2016 #8

This ... BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #15

On top of that, Clinton's big wins in the Deep South cemaphonic Mar 2016 #141

Well YCHDT Mar 2016 #149

Be patient Mr Attorney.. there are some big "non-dixie" states coming up soon. DCBob Mar 2016 #9

Also on the horizon: Kansas Nebraska Maine Idaho Utah Alaska Washington Hawaii Wisconsin Wyoming etc Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #14

That wasn't the topic of your OP. DCBob Mar 2016 #17

But she doesnt have to win those, only keep them within 20 points. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #20

Sure Bernie will do pretty well in some smaller caucus states book_worm Mar 2016 #52

Very offensive post mountain grammy Mar 2016 #70

Oh, the "lily-white" thing again. Beartracks Mar 2016 #118

Newsflash...Florida was part of the Confederacy. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #27

Sure.. but it's a very different state as I commented earlier. DCBob Mar 2016 #29

North Florida is pretty much Alabama/Georgia. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #38

So its different from a typical deep south state... right? DCBob Mar 2016 #41

North Florida isn't. If anything it's worse. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #47

So, Florida as a whole is different from a typical deep south state... right? DCBob Mar 2016 #53

Not much. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #60

No demographic or political analyst would ever lump Florida in with the other deep south states. DCBob Mar 2016 #64

Ok, whatever you say. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #69

I have lived there too.. both in the Orlando and Miami area.. those are nothing like the deep south. DCBob Mar 2016 #72

Large minority populations, just like Atlanta and Birmingham. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #79

I lived near Winter Garden... nice place on lake Apopka. DCBob Mar 2016 #87

You can cherry pick any area. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #95

I think the bottom line is that FL votes much different than the rest of the deep south. DCBob Mar 2016 #99

In 1957 in Miami, Fl. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #139

Not true. FlaGranny Mar 2016 #109

Has any "Deep South" state, besides Florida, voted Dem in a Presidential election in recent memory? DCBob Mar 2016 #112

Squeaker, but FlaGranny Mar 2016 #167

Yes, I totally agree with you on the Florida "2 states" comment. DCBob Mar 2016 #168

The Cuban Miami vote is part of the legacy of the Confederacy? Someone tell them msanthrope Mar 2016 #30

To a certain extent, they are. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #44

Plus, many are FlaGranny Mar 2016 #111

Madame nominee timmymoff Mar 2016 #48

You do not consider Florida as "Dixie", but how about Floridians? guillaumeb Mar 2016 #62

The "panhandle" is definitely "Dixie". DCBob Mar 2016 #76

I do believe you mean Madam Candidate, no? Raster Mar 2016 #124

Newsflash... SidDithers Mar 2016 #10

he's far from done. timmymoff Mar 2016 #49

Planting stories and inviting wondering is a time-tested propaganda tool. aquart Mar 2016 #103

Al Capone had a streak like that as well timmymoff Mar 2016 #144

Hillary is most honest poll we have ever had? Sniper fire? Flipflops from pragmatist to progressive? peacebird Mar 2016 #152

Newsflash whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #110

+1000 stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #119

"Dixie?" "Confederacy?" What the fuck is this shit? nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #12

I think we both know. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #16

Yeah--we do. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #28

Most of us do... n/t zappaman Mar 2016 #61

It's Condescending bullshit redstateblues Mar 2016 #18

AIT is desperately trying to find something/anything to dismiss Clinton's amazing success.. DCBob Mar 2016 #22

Yeah, they love to mention how Clinton can't win the southern states in the GE brush Mar 2016 #63

The Deep Republican states of the Old Confederacy have a different attitude toward Progressivism. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #23

You know....there are thousands of actual Sanders supporters on this site who are able to msanthrope Mar 2016 #25

I wish you were on MSNBC Duckfan Mar 2016 #54

As a progressive Democrat.... CherokeeDem Mar 2016 #31

Meanwhile, we should be expanding the base to try turning red states purple. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #33

Exactly... CherokeeDem Mar 2016 #43

I think, at this point, it's time for this board to recognize that this benefits no Democrat--- msanthrope Mar 2016 #36

I don't the answer... CherokeeDem Mar 2016 #75

I know Andy823 Mar 2016 #116

Yes...and it's a realtively small cadre. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #117

I'm a progressive Democrat from the South. Don't we agree that Elizabeth Warren could NEVER get Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #40

Once again... CherokeeDem Mar 2016 #73

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't James Clyburn and John Lewis represent congressional districts Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #78

yes... CherokeeDem Mar 2016 #133

Yes, I include Texas; for example, I doubt TX-25 Rep. Henry Cuellar would qualify as a Democrat in Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #137

You consider West Virginia part of the Deep South? bornskeptic Mar 2016 #122

Before the Civil War, Virginia and West Virginia were a single state, and that united Virginia was a Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #128

cosign obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #131

Here is a link that explains it: Gore1FL Mar 2016 #83

No--actually, it's this: msanthrope Mar 2016 #89

3/5 isn't a vote count. It was for representation in the congress. It is immaterial to the topic. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #142

NEWSFLASH - So is Hillary brooklynite Mar 2016 #19

Because this was alterted on, I'm going to add a comment about the turnout in the Clinton Super Tues Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #21

There is no "rock star" candidate this year like in 2008. DCBob Mar 2016 #24

And yet to win the GE we need to have some level of turnout better than that of the GOP Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #35

Hang tight... if Trump is their nominee this could be the biggest turnout in history. DCBob Mar 2016 #42

There were like 8 or 10 candidates in 08, which means... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #32

Right...Texas 08, for example, where a huge 1.73% of votes went to the other 4 candidates? Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #39

+1000 nt abelenkpe Mar 2016 #59

There is not "first time Black, history-making" candidate like there was in '08 brush Mar 2016 #71

1988 -- Check your history onenote Mar 2016 #147

Analysis is a little bit over-simplified I think Dem2 Mar 2016 #26

Or, and stick with me here, he won states where black people make up less than 8% of the population Godhumor Mar 2016 #34

Let's count all the votes, Tex! Octafish Mar 2016 #37

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/the-momentum-story-how-the-bernie-sanders-crowd-can-still-win/ stupidicus Mar 2016 #45

One primary day, no caucuses, no super delegates-one person one vote. jalan48 Mar 2016 #46

You always make me laugh book_worm Mar 2016 #50

Actually, they're saying the race is over because math. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #51

Math is like Glenn Close's character in "Fatal Attraction" ... it will NOT be ignored! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #77

Except math doesn't carve up its own leg. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #88

Or make bunny stew. :-P NurseJackie Mar 2016 #90

PLUS: There are still 35 states to go in primaries. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2016 #58

March 15 cannot get here soon enough form me. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #65

The states from March 22 to April 9 cannot get here soon enough for me. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #67

Always add your little smear after you redstateblues Mar 2016 #91

How ironic since the Hillary supporters are all about smears. Phlem Mar 2016 #120

Crying shame dpatbrown Mar 2016 #66

Except it isn't winner take all. sweetloukillbot Mar 2016 #84

I stand corrected. dpatbrown Mar 2016 #93

I'm pretty sure the establishment would like to force Bernie out before NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #68

538 has Hillary up 30 in MI... SidDithers Mar 2016 #81

Actually, NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #85

Demographically, those are not good states for Sanders to pick up many delegates KingFlorez Mar 2016 #98

Well, I guess the voters will tell us if your NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #100

Wasn't the same argument used against Obama in 2008? NewJeffCT Mar 2016 #74

Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2016 #80

Kentucky and Missouri jayschool Mar 2016 #86

Kentucky was not in the Confederacy EDINKY Mar 2016 #92

Hillary has 3.38 million popular votes so far in the primary to only 2.2 million for Bernard! #ImWi riversedge Mar 2016 #97

Kentucky was not a Confederacy state - and Missouri was also part of the Union DrDan Mar 2016 #101

I will be interested to review this analysis again in a few weeks. Orrex Mar 2016 #104

Let's revisit in April 9. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #108

Then, too Orrex Mar 2016 #125

I hope we are all rallying around Sanders, but I'm voting for the Democratic nominee in November Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #129

:thumbsup: Orrex Mar 2016 #130

Nevada's win questionable to me snowy owl Mar 2016 #106

MA: :Clinton won dirty by very narrow margin " Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #114

Did anyone check Bill's bullhorn? You know, the one he used outside of four polling places to... Raster Mar 2016 #126

Or check the videos of him INsIDE the polling place during Super Tuesday.... peacebird Mar 2016 #153

I just favor everyone getting a say in who the nominee is. alarimer Mar 2016 #121

They made Bernie protesters move away (rightfully so) but then gave Bill Clinton a bullhorn. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #127

The grapes of wrath. Zorra Mar 2016 #132

I'll give you some non-Dixie states where she's up in the polls and predicted to win Beacool Mar 2016 #134

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #138

K & R Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #150

Potential Problem... Triana Mar 2016 #154

I'm not for writing off any states. I'm against a candidate claiming victory based on support Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #159

This is bordering on unskewed polls territory jsmirman Mar 2016 #165