2016 Postmortem

Vattel

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83. Let me break it down for you.

Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:37 PM

Mar 2016

MaggieD says this in the OP:

I have been looking for this list since he made the claim in the SC Townhall. I have concluded he told a big whopper. These "130 economists and healthcare experts" do not seem to exist.

Which 130 economists and healthcare experts don't exist, according to her? The ones Sanders was referring to when he said:

... We have well over a hundred, it's a 130 economists, and healthcare experts who will say the same."

The problem for you and MaggieD is that the list does exist. It contains 134 names. Those names include the names of economists and healthcare experts. They all claim that Sanders' single payer system would cost less than our current healthcare system.

So Sanders did not lie. Deflect all you want by saying that the Friedman analysis that supports Bernie's plans is worse than analyses used to attack the plan. But there was no lie. The list exists.

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Who are these "130 economists" that endorse how Bernie pays for his proposals? [View all] MaggieD Mar 2016 OP

Try this: catnhatnh Mar 2016 #1

Again that is about his Wall Street Reform proposal.... MaggieD Mar 2016 #2

Please wobble Mar 2016 #43

Heard of Google? It's an internet thingy where you can go look stuff up. Try it. Learn somthing f pdsimdars Mar 2016 #73

Crickets, huh? MaggieD Mar 2016 #3

You are cherry picking a slip of the tongue kristopher Mar 2016 #89

Great question ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #4

Exactly - they didn't exist either MaggieD Mar 2016 #5

You are seriously confused about who is lying kristopher Mar 2016 #90

170, not 130. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #6

They never get anything right. When you bust them in a flat out lie, morningfog Mar 2016 #7

They didn't say one damn thing about how he pays $18 trillion MaggieD Mar 2016 #9

Is English not your first language? Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #10

What does that have to do with single payer, free college, etc? MaggieD Mar 2016 #11

Exactly, You are confused. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #12

I'm just quoting him - see the OP MaggieD Mar 2016 #15

No, you aren't "just quoting" you are cherry picking a slip of the tongue kristopher Mar 2016 #88

Here you go pdsimdars Mar 2016 #76

Need a hand with that? Marr Mar 2016 #79

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #20

So is that a thumbs down on holding Bernie accountable? MaggieD Mar 2016 #25

The "voters" seem to be favoring Clinton. Hoyt Mar 2016 #30

By a mile MaggieD Mar 2016 #45

Look at polls much pdsimdars Mar 2016 #84

Yes, and I can multiply and add. Hoyt Mar 2016 #85

MaggieD can't get facts straight and loses it. Check. desmiller Mar 2016 #51

I am ready for you to prove me wrong MaggieD Mar 2016 #53

These people can. Bernie promises single payer Hortensis Mar 2016 #71

Well, it sounds like that "these people" are confusing Bernie for Republicans. I'm sure that even desmiller Mar 2016 #82

Actually I believe you are parroting a lie kristopher Mar 2016 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author kristopher Mar 2016 #92

But they don't endorse his "pay fors" on his proposals MaggieD Mar 2016 #8

That's for his wall street reform plan taught_me_patience Mar 2016 #23

Just like some clueless GOP voters, they seem averse to facts. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #74

Still looking for the 130 economists and healthcare experts MaggieD Mar 2016 #13

Now ... if you really want to discuss "low-information" voters ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #65

Anybody got the list? MaggieD Mar 2016 #14

I found this online ... I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for or not. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #72

Twist things much, Maggie? kristopher Mar 2016 #93

Lol, ok, once again staying classy! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #16

So you got nothing? It's not classy to hold Bernie accountable? MaggieD Mar 2016 #18

IMO, You are the Hillary fan that I thing hurts her the most here..... Logical Mar 2016 #33

LOL - because the folks here would vote for her if not for me? MaggieD Mar 2016 #46

Smear Dems Central is what the Clinton Campaign is all about kristopher Mar 2016 #94

hahahahahaha artislife Mar 2016 #17

Why do his supporters want to avoid this? MaggieD Mar 2016 #19

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #21

It's a simple question backed by HIS words MaggieD Mar 2016 #22

You always love to start a fight. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #34

I love to challenge propaganda and BS MaggieD Mar 2016 #35

It makes you a really annoying Hillary supporter IMO. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #37

Yeah, I bet MaggieD Mar 2016 #39

Lol, you almost make me think you are just messing with us. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #41

One has to wonder. It is obvious that Sanders was referring to the list of Vattel Mar 2016 #44

This is NPR reporting on his Super Pac's claim MaggieD Mar 2016 #54

lol, now the list is not real. You have an active imagination. Vattel Mar 2016 #62

You wouldn't know 840high Mar 2016 #105

You obviously cherry picked an ambiguous Q&A exchange kristopher Mar 2016 #95

Or ignoring her fact free posts. guillaumeb Mar 2016 #80

Oh that. I keep her for the entertainment. Only. nt artislife Mar 2016 #86

Here is the link to the list. Try google next time before acusing someone of lying. Vattel Mar 2016 #24

Sorry - that's BS put out by his Super Pac MaggieD Mar 2016 #27

lol, you are so dishonest that you cant admit that the list to which he referred exists. Vattel Mar 2016 #29

NPR is his super pac? Mnpaul Mar 2016 #32

A report on his Super Pac MaggieD Mar 2016 #36

Yes, it is on the super pac site Mnpaul Mar 2016 #63

Wrong question Maggie. kristopher Mar 2016 #96

K&R for visibility lunamagica Mar 2016 #26

You do realize that you are making the OP's error more visible, right? Vattel Mar 2016 #28

The OP will NEVER acknowledge it. MelissaB Mar 2016 #31

I know. It's amazing. Vattel Mar 2016 #40

It comes from his Super Pac MaggieD Mar 2016 #38

It's a list of 134 people that explicitly sign on to a statement that says, among other things, Vattel Mar 2016 #42

As reported by his Super Pac MaggieD Mar 2016 #49

Really, now you are trying to change the subject? Vattel Mar 2016 #61

Does it really matter? Glamrock Mar 2016 #47

It matters that he fabricates to this extent at a town hall MaggieD Mar 2016 #48

Do you see the irony in your statement? Glamrock Mar 2016 #50

I see attempts at deflection MaggieD Mar 2016 #52

When you start using foul Trumpish language you diminish your standing... Human101948 Mar 2016 #60

Since you saw fit to call Sanders a liar without doing any research... kristopher Mar 2016 #97

This post would be Perogie Mar 2016 #55

Another Bernie supporter with no excuse for his BS statement? MaggieD Mar 2016 #56

We just don't care what you have to say Perogie Mar 2016 #57

Odd - you all seem to care enough to respond MaggieD Mar 2016 #58

Maybe because it takes time for you to get it. Perogie Mar 2016 #59

It is obvious that Bernie "misspoke" about the economists... Sancho Mar 2016 #64

No, he didn't misspeak. The list of 134 contains both economists and healthcare experts. Vattel Mar 2016 #66

...and it's been documented that they don't have an economic analysis that stands up.... Sancho Mar 2016 #67

You are changing the subject. Vattel Mar 2016 #68

No, the OP asks for the economists that have analyzed the data and agree with the plan... Sancho Mar 2016 #69

Sigh. Bernie didn't say that the 134 people on the list Vattel Mar 2016 #70

Ok...then all he has to do is say... Sancho Mar 2016 #75

So you agree that he didn't lie and that the OP is wrong? Vattel Mar 2016 #77

No...I think he lied. That's my personal view. Sancho Mar 2016 #78

Let me break it down for you. Vattel Mar 2016 #83

The lie is not that the list exists....the lie is what they say the cost is.... Sancho Mar 2016 #100

More deflection. MaggieD said that Sanders lied Vattel Mar 2016 #101

That's not the point of the OP.... Sancho Mar 2016 #102

Well, like I said, I didn't really expect an honest reply from you. Vattel Mar 2016 #103

Some people refuse to be budged from a position and never let reality get in the way. guillaumeb Mar 2016 #81

Refuted by what??????? MaggieD Mar 2016 #87

Still peddling that false nonsense, eh? kristopher Mar 2016 #98

Sorry - it's ludicrous to suggest GDP growth will be 5% MaggieD Mar 2016 #106

Beuller? kristopher Mar 2016 #99

Bueller??? kristopher Mar 2016 #104

Still waiting ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #107

I suspect the wait will continue forever MaggieD Mar 2016 #108

(Sigh.) Any day now. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #111

Bwahahaha!!!!! Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #109

Well that Bernie site is FOS - here is the actual report MaggieD Mar 2016 #110