2016 Postmortem

PatrickforO

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7. My own take?

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:40 PM

Mar 2016

Clinton is dishonest and will not represent the positions I care about. At all. Instead she will implement policies that are pro-corporate, pro-MIC, pro-Wall Street. I don't think she cares at all about people like me and my family.

I also believe she will 'pivot' right back to Third Way corporatist positions the minute she has the nomination sewed up. She's only campaigning as far left as she is to placate the base.

I do not believe she can win as the 'establishment candidate' against Donald Trump.

I think her candidacy and the destructive right wing talking points and race politics I've seen her surrogates use, and her outright lies in debates are destroying the party. To me, if Clinton gets the nomination it will be a Pyrrhic victory - the Democratic party will be too damaged to recover.

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My worry about Hillary has never been her competence [View all] MidwestTech Mar 2016 OP

Repubs in Congress are not going to work with Clinton or Sanders. Neither will get anything done. LonePirate Mar 2016 #1

Which is why voting down ticket is also important. Time to change the face of Congress. eom Cleita Mar 2016 #26

Absolutely! Our nominee will need a Dem Congress if we want things to get done. LonePirate Mar 2016 #29

I view her as a bait and switch politician. Vinca Mar 2016 #2

so you admit she can get things done 6chars Mar 2016 #6

She will help Republicans and the Corporations that hire them both, nothing for us will get done Dragonfli Mar 2016 #15

Just the things that no Democrat should want to see get done. Svafa Mar 2016 #27

which things do you think she's going to get done, specifically? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #40

and she can't get Dems excited and repels independents MisterP Mar 2016 #3

So 1 step to the left of Republicans makes her OK on policy issues? BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #4

I'm trying very hard to be neutral in my analysis MidwestTech Mar 2016 #9

I have never been good about joining teams BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #10

But is that what's best for the country? MidwestTech Mar 2016 #11

Some people feel that what's best for the country marions ghost Mar 2016 #12

Fair enough MidwestTech Mar 2016 #14

Do you honestly think she will implement anything that will save the planet? Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #17

She is FAR more likely to than anything the GoP will put up MidwestTech Mar 2016 #35

"Far More Likely" So 5% more 2% more? She has never demonstrated any sort of visionary leadership. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #38

I would argue that we already ARE on a self-destructive course marions ghost Mar 2016 #30

Sometimes I weep for our party's loss of civilized discourse MidwestTech Mar 2016 #34

Civilized discourse marions ghost Mar 2016 #36

If I weep for anything it is that we can't have an honest discussion of the issues BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #37

Propping up a system that doesn't represent us in the slightest is not helping the 99% Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #16

While I am not going to vote Republican BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #19

Agree. They have squeezed the blood out of the turnip to long. Hillary will just enable more Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #20

If you look at the long term income distribution charts BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #23

Fair enough. Do you think Trump will survive past one term? MidwestTech Mar 2016 #21

No I don't think he would win a second term BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #22

I'm afraid you have a much more charitable opinion of Trump than I do. hedda_foil Mar 2016 #24

I don't think anybody could have a less charitable opinion of Trump than I do BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #25

I hope you're right, but congress is malleable. hedda_foil Mar 2016 #31

He wouldnt surivie more than one term. But he might bring down both corporate parties at least. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #39

She's a fine driver, but will she drive in the right direction? Vote2016 Mar 2016 #5

My own take? PatrickforO Mar 2016 #7

Agree marions ghost Mar 2016 #13

Oh, she's verrry competent -- at shilling for Wall St. and corporate interests. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #8

She also hasn't addressed this... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #18

Give us a specific example of something that demonstrates her competence tularetom Mar 2016 #28

Nope not touching that hot iron MidwestTech Mar 2016 #32

it's going to be a nughtmare... constant selling out and compromise Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #33