2016 Postmortem

marions ghost

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30. I would argue that we already ARE on a self-destructive course

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:12 PM

Mar 2016

--especially if you are concerned about climate change, but also the social and economic realms. I'm worried too. I just can't operate out of fear of change though. We need a radical change of course and Hillary will not do that--it is my belief that an administration that does not take bold action will drive the Titanic a LOT closer to the iceberg. "Hillary may not be great" is not good enough for me.

Bernie has the guts to try to steer a different course, and I think it's time.

Ideally yes--we need proportional government that allows for more parties to have a voice.

I am not worried about tRump being president. Whoever the Dems run will win IMO, but with Bernie I think it's more a sure thing because people who want change will come out of the woodwork (and crossover from R also).
With Hillary--there is likely to be a lot of attrition.

Thx for a nice reply.

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My worry about Hillary has never been her competence [View all] MidwestTech Mar 2016 OP

Repubs in Congress are not going to work with Clinton or Sanders. Neither will get anything done. LonePirate Mar 2016 #1

Which is why voting down ticket is also important. Time to change the face of Congress. eom Cleita Mar 2016 #26

Absolutely! Our nominee will need a Dem Congress if we want things to get done. LonePirate Mar 2016 #29

I view her as a bait and switch politician. Vinca Mar 2016 #2

so you admit she can get things done 6chars Mar 2016 #6

She will help Republicans and the Corporations that hire them both, nothing for us will get done Dragonfli Mar 2016 #15

Just the things that no Democrat should want to see get done. Svafa Mar 2016 #27

which things do you think she's going to get done, specifically? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #40

and she can't get Dems excited and repels independents MisterP Mar 2016 #3

So 1 step to the left of Republicans makes her OK on policy issues? BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #4

I'm trying very hard to be neutral in my analysis MidwestTech Mar 2016 #9

I have never been good about joining teams BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #10

But is that what's best for the country? MidwestTech Mar 2016 #11

Some people feel that what's best for the country marions ghost Mar 2016 #12

Fair enough MidwestTech Mar 2016 #14

Do you honestly think she will implement anything that will save the planet? Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #17

She is FAR more likely to than anything the GoP will put up MidwestTech Mar 2016 #35

"Far More Likely" So 5% more 2% more? She has never demonstrated any sort of visionary leadership. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #38

I would argue that we already ARE on a self-destructive course marions ghost Mar 2016 #30

Sometimes I weep for our party's loss of civilized discourse MidwestTech Mar 2016 #34

Civilized discourse marions ghost Mar 2016 #36

If I weep for anything it is that we can't have an honest discussion of the issues BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #37

Propping up a system that doesn't represent us in the slightest is not helping the 99% Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #16

While I am not going to vote Republican BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #19

Agree. They have squeezed the blood out of the turnip to long. Hillary will just enable more Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #20

If you look at the long term income distribution charts BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #23

Fair enough. Do you think Trump will survive past one term? MidwestTech Mar 2016 #21

No I don't think he would win a second term BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #22

I'm afraid you have a much more charitable opinion of Trump than I do. hedda_foil Mar 2016 #24

I don't think anybody could have a less charitable opinion of Trump than I do BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #25

I hope you're right, but congress is malleable. hedda_foil Mar 2016 #31

He wouldnt surivie more than one term. But he might bring down both corporate parties at least. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #39

She's a fine driver, but will she drive in the right direction? Vote2016 Mar 2016 #5

My own take? PatrickforO Mar 2016 #7

Agree marions ghost Mar 2016 #13

Oh, she's verrry competent -- at shilling for Wall St. and corporate interests. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #8

She also hasn't addressed this... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #18

Give us a specific example of something that demonstrates her competence tularetom Mar 2016 #28

Nope not touching that hot iron MidwestTech Mar 2016 #32

it's going to be a nughtmare... constant selling out and compromise Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #33