2016 Postmortem

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121. Wow, are you missing the whole point. You really are a unusual Hillary fan. nt

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Hillary's full quote. It is worse than I thought. I am furious [View all] Luminous Animal Mar 2016 OP

The first lady who looked away: Nancy and the Reagans' troubling Aids legacy Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #1

Well it is now much better, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #101

I'm so pissed that I have to refrain from commenting. Aerows Mar 2016 #270

Trust me, I understand nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #271

FUBAR has new meaning for me. n/t Aerows Mar 2016 #272

Hey! No worries! SusanaMontana41 Mar 2016 #275

although Nancy came around later on PatrynXX Mar 2016 #108

when it benefitted her husband roguevalley Mar 2016 #145

Last week Bill Maher did a commentary about Republicans inability to empathize dflprincess Mar 2016 #188

Exactly right Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #257

Like any Republican anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #240

Because it would benefit Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #256

Disgusting, truly disgusting. haikugal Mar 2016 #2

+10000 Cavallo Mar 2016 #76

Wow - so she can't help lying? Merryland Mar 2016 #3

It sure seems so. More and more and more lately. kath Mar 2016 #8

She doesn't call this lying... monicaangela Mar 2016 #130

It's not lying. It's history evolving! Bernblu Mar 2016 #209

LOL!!! monicaangela Mar 2016 #235

I could be Hillary is having memory issues. If she didn't remember and had those remarks brewens Mar 2016 #276

How could anyone that lived through that era forget monicaangela Mar 2016 #277

This is from Larry Kramer's retelling, I used to believe it too. But they did increase the budget bettyellen Mar 2016 #4

"Budget increases" does not equal "starting a national conversation" Arazi Mar 2016 #5

"I used to believe it too." What changed your mind? nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #13

Wanting to cover for Hillary, apparently. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #24

Because it is greatly exaggerated.Funding jumped from 8 million in 82 to 26 m in 83- at Regan's bettyellen Mar 2016 #30

"Revisionist history about Reagan must be rejected. Researchers, historians and AIDS experts who rhett o rick Mar 2016 #40

Silence = Death Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2016 #167

a picture is truly worth 1,000 words! nt TheDormouse Mar 2016 #247

It would seem like a press conference would be on the record. 7962 Mar 2016 #190

another topic for another day, don't get me started nt TheDormouse Mar 2016 #248

San Francisco's AIDS funding was larger than Reagan's for an entire nation and he Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #43

Hahaha!! Realclear politics. No wonder you didn't provide the link. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #49

There is a big difference between doing nothing, and what actually happened. I have found that most bettyellen Mar 2016 #57

Do you understand. San Francisco, a city of 650,000 people had a larger AIDS budget than Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #62

I get that SF is the wealthiest progressive city in the US, and was hardest hit by the epidemic. bettyellen Mar 2016 #68

It was not a wealthy city at the time. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #70

If, for example, an amount doubled from ten cents to 20 cents and then to 40 cents... Herman4747 Mar 2016 #110

I live in San Francisco. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2016 #191

I stand with you... Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #203

You are just wrong. I was there. Things happened, but Reagan did not do them. Reagan resisted them. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #66

This is a flat out lie: "This drastic lack of funding would continue through the Reagan years. " bettyellen Mar 2016 #69

And Reagan had little to do with it. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #92

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #242

What happened was in Spite of the Reagans, not because of it. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #80

This. n/t ms liberty Mar 2016 #125

Double this!!! Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #204

True, but the posts I have seen say NOTHING was being done for years, when that is completely bettyellen Mar 2016 #251

Thanks for the link pscot Mar 2016 #232

By '85 all of my freinds who died of AIDS cliffordu Mar 2016 #104

Try absorbing this. Nancy refused to help her friend, Rock Hudson when he fled this country to try sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #187

"Listen to Reagan’s Press Secretary Laugh About Gay People Dying of AIDS" hedgehog Mar 2016 #239

Wow, are you missing the whole point. You really are a unusual Hillary fan. nt Logical Mar 2016 #121

WRONG. SusanaMontana41 Mar 2016 #267

Raygun's press secretary laughed and made homophobic jokes about it. Hillary has no shame. morningfog Mar 2016 #6

yep - When Aids Was Funny: dana_b Mar 2016 #27

Thank you! What an education I'm getting here! Cavallo Mar 2016 #77

scary, huh?? dana_b Mar 2016 #84

Beyond. These people are beyond despicable. I never knew this about the Regans. Cavallo Mar 2016 #88

Here's a direct to video: Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2016 #172

Older folks remember Thespian2 Mar 2016 #175

Thank you Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #206

Activists Say Nancy Reagan Should Have Pushed Harder on AIDS Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #7

I support the left though I'm leaning leaning to the right... Fumesucker Mar 2016 #9

"Politician" - sung by the great Jack Bruce! klook Mar 2016 #72

Cream was a fun band right klook? Those were some days navarth Mar 2016 #258

seems like politicians like to clean up history, I remember people demanding it be addresses hollysmom Mar 2016 #10

me too Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #114

when miss kitty from Gunsmoke died of it roguevalley Mar 2016 #142

She's basically giving the Reagans credit for ending their own silence. arcane1 Mar 2016 #11

But when Ron ended his silence what he said was just awful.... April 2, 1987 Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #36

I remember. Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #44

Sanctimonious Bastard. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #112

She could have talked about any number of things... Punkingal Mar 2016 #12

She is a great admirer of the Presidency of Ronald Reagan which is very telling and scary to me. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #17

That's what I mean - talk about her fight against drug abuse or Alzheimer's work - closeupready Mar 2016 #20

maybe it's a compulsion to self-aggrandize - insert herself into the (false) Nancy story... Merryland Mar 2016 #28

I've been told via PM that white-washing the record of monsters is "good manners". Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #26

the Clintons are the epitome of phoniness. Merryland Mar 2016 #31

Get out of here! Are you serious? Punkingal Mar 2016 #41

Fuck that noise. "Good manners" is to give someone credit for something they've done, winter is coming Mar 2016 #42

Was it any of the ones who in 2009 dismissed LGBT's grievances enigmatic Mar 2016 #47

No shame when defending Hillary. Absolutely disgusting. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #216

I'm sorry but screw that noise... Docreed2003 Mar 2016 #229

When AIDS was funny. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #14

I am just stunned that she would say this. Truth in the in the Guardian today: Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #15

A DUer pointed to this book recently... I think the title says it all. Fumesucker Mar 2016 #19

Thanks - sigh looking at 840high Mar 2016 #176

I was around during that time enigmatic Mar 2016 #16

+1. I couldn't even begin to guess how many funerals and memorial services winter is coming Mar 2016 #23

My little brother gave in to toxo in 1988. kristopher Mar 2016 #53

So sorry you lost your brother FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #64

I lost two dear friends. 840high Mar 2016 #178

Amen. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2016 #192

I can't imagine experiencing that loss Docreed2003 Mar 2016 #230

Complete BS on deathrind Mar 2016 #18

13 Times The Reagan White House Press Briefing Erupted With Laughter Over AIDS Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #21

I wish the attitude displayed in that exchange was a thing from the past, it is not. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #79

Is Hillary purposely trying to lose the race? NowSam Mar 2016 #22

She is pandering to the Right. She's afraid she has lost the Left. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #45

I thought she just told us all off ...like she doesn't need us anymore. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #140

If the Left wouldn't support her in 2008 why would they now? The hubris rhett o rick Mar 2016 #146

Holy shit, but that makes perfect sense. bvf Mar 2016 #210

The Reagans aside... pugetres Mar 2016 #25

Yep. Dr. Elders was forced to resign. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #29

As a GenXer myself... Docreed2003 Mar 2016 #231

People feel too obligated to say something good about the recently departed. It needs to stop. eppur_se_muova Mar 2016 #32

I agree. Stand by for when Cheney's mechanical heart fails. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #48

I'm sure she will praise him as a great humanitarian. Gary 50 Mar 2016 #83

LMFAO ...expect it. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #141

Or Barbara Bush, for that matter. Miles Archer Mar 2016 #91

I loved British reaction to Thatcher's death. dflprincess Mar 2016 #273

People are gonna tie themselves in knots trying to eulogize Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch, ... eppur_se_muova Mar 2016 #274

She's going to hear a lot about this. Here's some of what's already being said: Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #33

Fuck Clinton TM99 Mar 2016 #34

Agree completely MissDeeds Mar 2016 #61

No shame and I'm starting 840high Mar 2016 #180

^ this ^ Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #144

Reagan's AIDSGATE excerpts from "The Truth About Reagan and AIDS" by Michael Bronski Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #35

I posted this in a different thread, but ... salinsky Mar 2016 #37

Nailed it ... salinsky Mar 2016 #65

No. n/t ebayfool Mar 2016 #217

I was living in SF at the time mooseprime Mar 2016 #38

That allusion to the Palmolive tv commercials prob goes over the younger folks' heads nt TheDormouse Mar 2016 #250

hadn't thought of that mooseprime Mar 2016 #253

a video clip - ads like these ran from '60s to '90s TheDormouse Mar 2016 #255

Reagan Seeks Aids Report But Budget Cuts Funding suffragette Mar 2016 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Mar 2016 #46

She told an insulting lie for no reason other than to shit on the memory of thousands of AIDS dead. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #54

+1 Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #159

She has information at her disposal. malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #237

Well said. H2O Man Mar 2016 #252

We aren't bashing her for saying TM99 Mar 2016 #74

and +1 Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #161

Is there a limit Kalidurga Mar 2016 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Mar 2016 #116

Why? Kalidurga Mar 2016 #120

You've got a lot of goddamned nerve to be lecturing anyone about ethics. JoeyT Mar 2016 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Mar 2016 #166

A trip down your "recommend" list says otherwise. Wednesdays Mar 2016 #205

I'm sure you said something nice 840high Mar 2016 #181

Something FALSE that hurts the families of other dead people. Shame on you. merrily Mar 2016 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Mar 2016 #195

How DARE you say I don't care about the substance of what she said? merrily Mar 2016 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Mar 2016 #197

Clearly, you have no clue what "logical fallacy" means; your Repy 46 did what I said; merrily Mar 2016 #198

No, you're attacking the people who attack what she said for something entirely unrelated MNBrewer Mar 2016 #219

We all die.. it don't change who we were while we were alive. DeGreg Mar 2016 #214

she just apologized on twitter: dana_b Mar 2016 #50

It's understandable. She doesn't *actually* give a shit about it, so why would she know? /nt Marr Mar 2016 #55

'I misspoke' she says. Not Good Enough Hillary! Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #56

'misspoke' is the pc version of 'lied'. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #135

I'm not buying it. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #58

me either but I think she realized what a huge gaff it was dana_b Mar 2016 #59

Misspoke is when you say chickpeas instead of chicken. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #75

excellent example dana_b Mar 2016 #87

She misspoke?? WTF?? haikugal Mar 2016 #60

She spun a narrative. "It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #67

Bullshit! haikugal Mar 2016 #71

Add it to the list of yuuuuge mistakes. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #86

I think SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #97

No, she did not get it mixed up... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #148

Thanks. You're right, it's nuts. Just nuts. nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #170

Nope, sorry couldn't be notadmblnd Mar 2016 #153

Thanks. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #169

Wow, that's some seriously "low key advocacy" right there. Marr Mar 2016 #51

It was a national conversation sparked by the Reagans... It sounded like this: elehhhhna Mar 2016 #134

I was a teenager deathrind Mar 2016 #52

Tone deaf, and wrong BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #63

She was probably trying to gain points with the LGBT community. senz Mar 2016 #94

Yes, I agree. BeanMusical Mar 2016 #138

Looks like Hillary thought whitewashing the Reagans would be a winning idea. jalan48 Mar 2016 #73

Every time she opens her mouth SHRED Mar 2016 #78

Nancy was disgusting. So is Hilary's revisionist history. Daemonaquila Mar 2016 #81

Anyone know how you stop a monthly donation to a political campaign? Amimnoch Mar 2016 #82

If it's a recurring charge via PayPal, you can go in and cancel/deny it. n/t winter is coming Mar 2016 #89

Unfortunately not, it was by providing my card information on their donation page. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #90

Call your credit card company and ask. winter is coming Mar 2016 #93

You can call your CC company and stop the monthly payment enigmatic Mar 2016 #103

Just when I thought the Clintons could not tell bigger fibs here comes something sick dr60omg Mar 2016 #85

Where the hell was she in the 80's? With Kissinger? EndElectoral Mar 2016 #96

That was a really low blow. The Reagan's did every thing in their power to avoid the AIDS Crisis. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #95

This just in: Utopian Leftist Mar 2016 #98

Sheesh. She created an entire false story. That is not misspeaking. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #100

Once you make an 'error' voting for a bullshit war, 'error' becomes acceptable... Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #136

Nancy Reagan refused to help dying Rock Hudson get Aids treatment Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Dems to Win Mar 2016 #102

I wish Hillary's versions of the truth were more true. Unfortunately, they are not. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #105

+1 Go Vols Mar 2016 #109

that is how they roll: they trot out all these great things the Dems have done in her defense, MisterP Mar 2016 #265

So what new Republican fuckery forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #106

Just look at the comments in the first portion of this for Reagan apologists... It's disgusting Docreed2003 Mar 2016 #234

The way the Reagans handled the AIDS crisis is one of the most shameful periods in our history. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #107

Wow, just when I thought that Clinton couldn't get lower. blackspade Mar 2016 #111

Nothing shocks me at this point. zentrum Mar 2016 #113

First Goldwater Girl, now a Reagan Democrat. How can HRC shills support this Republican Feeling the Bern Mar 2016 #117

Jaysus, Hillary! AzDar Mar 2016 #118

pathological liars lie even when it would benefit them to be truthful magical thyme Mar 2016 #119

To borrow a term from the LGBTQ community farleftlib Mar 2016 #171

Is this the last nail in her candidacy? THIS will make people furious. nt thereismore Mar 2016 #122

Even worse. She started that 1st sentence "The other point I wanted to make too is..." suffragette Mar 2016 #123

Yep Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #124

Yes - we caught that. Thanks. 840high Mar 2016 #182

I'm all for respecting the dead Geronimoe Mar 2016 #126

Exactly correct. nt JEB Mar 2016 #129

Never thought I'd see the day when DUers were defending the Reagans skygazer Mar 2016 #127

Thus the term "Reagan Democrats". Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #132

...but a cheating husband is ok. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #131

still there is nothing about Nancy and AIDS treestar Mar 2016 #133

"nothing about Nancy and AIDS" except Hillary's fiction. n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #147

We still don't know where Nancy herself actually stood on things treestar Mar 2016 #149

Lame excuses. We know Nancy did not do what Hillary claimed she and Ron did n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #151

You are only saying this TM99 Mar 2016 #152

I don't see what she was supposed to do in France treestar Mar 2016 #156

I am sure you don't. TM99 Mar 2016 #158

It's kind of funny because normally Bernie supporters treestar Mar 2016 #160

You seriously tried to make this about the 1%? TM99 Mar 2016 #163

I'm not talking about what they could have done treestar Mar 2016 #223

So, it was OK to ignore a friend in need because they were already ignoring hedgehog Mar 2016 #244

Oh, just stop TM99 Mar 2016 #249

She was very influential on Ronnie at that point nichomachus Mar 2016 #150

Wow liberals usually do not call women that treestar Mar 2016 #162

Is there anything you won't excuse for Hillary? /nt Marr Mar 2016 #168

Is there anything you won't make into some big evil? treestar Mar 2016 #261

There you go again. It's no big deal to you. Marr Mar 2016 #263

As the article above states, Rock reached out to her and Ronnie and "she refused to help" Docreed2003 Mar 2016 #238

why did she have any duty to get him treatment? treestar Mar 2016 #262

Where's the lie in what I said? Docreed2003 Mar 2016 #264

Yeah, this is deeply fucked up. Aldo Leopold Mar 2016 #137

I remember Whoopi Goldberg drug her something fierce ardnas58 Mar 2016 #139

Leave her alone. She was taking sniper fire when she made the comments. NightWatcher Mar 2016 #143

lol TheDormouse Mar 2016 #254

Surely her advisors briefed her on the facts of the truth ardnas58 Mar 2016 #154

Sadly, she shouldn't need advisers to know the truth...she lived through that era. N/t Docreed2003 Mar 2016 #241

Geez Louise. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #155

No she did not misspeak. TM99 Mar 2016 #164

Yes. She was against it when she was senator d_legendary1 Mar 2016 #185

Yes. The Taylor Branch article is particularly enlightening unc70 Mar 2016 #228

Neither do I d_legendary1 Mar 2016 #266

Poll Driven noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #157

Misspoke?? please, give me a break. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #165

Good gawd, this is totally unbelievable complete bullshit about Reagan!!!! Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #173

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #174

Hillary's Republican roots are showing. polichick Mar 2016 #177

Indeed. First support for Reagan's contras in Nicaraqua and now this. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #179

Yipes. The Clinton fan club is now the Reagan fan club Doctor_J Mar 2016 #183

It really is! Fist support for the contras and now this. Hello? Moral rudder? Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #189

HRC "the most disgusting person in the world" berningman Mar 2016 #184

No, that's Al-Baghdadi. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #221

This is the ultra-rich bubble she occupies.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #186

Ray-Gun's Legacy Regarding HIV-AIDS JGug1 Mar 2016 #193

K and R (nt) bigwillq Mar 2016 #199

Whoa. That is some inexcusable and totally offensive revisionist history. Barack_America Mar 2016 #200

How can any LGBT person possibly vote for her after this? nt Zorra Mar 2016 #201

Let me be very clear.... Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #202

Praising Nancy Raygun promoting a thoughtful conversation.... Anastasia_N Mar 2016 #207

She is late to the party again floppyboo Mar 2016 #208

What the hell is *wrong* with her?? bvf Mar 2016 #211

Yep autorank Mar 2016 #212

For those that missed Clinton's conversation with Andrea Mitchell... PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #213

Watching the entire interview makes it crystal clear that she did not "misspeak" MNBrewer Mar 2016 #222

The interviewer didn't challenge her? malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #259

You people are crazy videohead5 Mar 2016 #215

I am crazy for being angry at Clinton, when she praises a BIGOTED BITCH who, Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #220

About Africa and crazy sarge43 Mar 2016 #224

That wasn't a mistake... Docreed2003 Mar 2016 #245

Praising the G*ddamned REAGANS for their "silent" AIDS activism? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #218

Rock Hudson Disease? Or Just Among Those IV Drug-Using Super Predators? DrFunkenstein Mar 2016 #225

This is so sad. unflapped Mar 2016 #226

Strange. I find it amusing. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #227

This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Mar 2016 #233

Kick (nt) bigwillq Mar 2016 #236

It was impossible to have cared about the AIDS epidemic at the time and not be furious with Reagan Tom Rinaldo Mar 2016 #243

This episode only points to one thing randr Mar 2016 #246

Hillary Recalls Reagans Killing HIV/AIDS in Oval Office Ambush LS_Editor Mar 2016 #260

Duplicity Is As Duplicity Does cantbeserious Mar 2016 #268

Wow!!!! This awful quote makes me want to ignore the fascist Donald Trump and focus all my... NNadir Mar 2016 #269