2016 Postmortem

Pat Riots

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51. people within a system have a personal responsibility

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:10 AM

Mar 2016

for what they do or do not do within a system. especially if the system is undemocratic, and they are specificly asked to not reinforce the undemocratic nature of the system.

Bernie won 80% of the vote in Vermont. Hillary earned zero pledged delegates in Vermont. The Vermont SDs should respect that, and if they dont, they are going to hear about it.

not sorry at all if he is feeling the pressure over this.

Vermont has a Progressive party, and Dean etc. are shooting the Vermont Democratic party in both feet. some people are trying to help Dean etc. understand the damage they are doing, because they clearly dont get it.

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Oh, Dr. Dean, we hardly knew ye. [View all] mac56 Mar 2016 OP

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I was the one who asked him about the SDs dana_b Mar 2016 #9

As I noted at the time... malthaussen Mar 2016 #27

He was, however, perfectly correct in saying so... malthaussen Mar 2016 #12

people within a system have a personal responsibility Pat Riots Mar 2016 #51

So he's incapable of doing the right thing because the system allows him to do the wrong thing? EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #102

Incapable? Hardly. malthaussen Mar 2016 #123

Dr. Freud, to the projection room, please... Dr. Freud... mac56 Mar 2016 #2

Dean is now a lobbyist. . I hope everyone knows this. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #3

Interesting ho no one in M$M ever mentions that he Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #99

Yeah! He sure isn't the same guy who ran for President. nt Duval Mar 2016 #107

he appears to be referring to the Nancy Reagan thing Enrique Mar 2016 #4

Oh that explains. Activism is only appreciated when it is "silent activism". Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #7

Apparently, he misremembers and should be reminded that... Wilms Mar 2016 #8

He is straight and bought and paid-for. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #13

That just about sums it up!! Not sure it there's enuf room on my jean jacket for all those Karma13612 Mar 2016 #21

That's why I wear dresses: more cloth to pin things on! eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #29

Brilliant!! eom... Karma13612 Mar 2016 #32

Democracy PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #5

Who, exactly, is surprised or disappointed about a lobbyist siding with Hillary? djean111 Mar 2016 #6

I thought that I knew Dr. Dean better than that. ladjf Mar 2016 #11

I know, it's sad. Very disappointing. eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #23

That subject line needs correcting. Wilms Mar 2016 #10

another corporate sellout on team hillary. what a shock. nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #14

More proof that Hillary's camp is really Republican... malthaussen Mar 2016 #15

Yeah, that's a brilliant analysis. JTFrog Mar 2016 #24

I think you've got something there. Marr Mar 2016 #79

FYI: Results of (the) Jury Service demwing Mar 2016 #130

Oh, I disagree with juror 7. malthaussen Mar 2016 #131

Ridiculous SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #138

That was me, and sus453 Mar 2016 #167

Think nothing of it. malthaussen Mar 2016 #168

no need for apology. the disappointment is mutual. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #16

Why does he presume that anyone cares what he is "fed up" with? DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #17

Don't you feel slightly silly posting that in a thread with (so far) nearly 50 responses? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #50

I should feel silly for not caring what Howard Dean thinks? DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #57

Look up last night's SNL skit SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #18

Why is Bernie solely responsible for his supporters? malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #20

He isn't, but SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #34

Overly-aggressive? Projection much? mac56 Mar 2016 #36

If not, SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #41

Because propaganda works! TM99 Mar 2016 #100

So, SNL SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #135

I love when Clinton TM99 Mar 2016 #137

so snl also did a satirical piece on hc pretending to be bernie questionseverything Mar 2016 #153

Hillary supporters are just as agressive. malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #38

See reply above SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #42

So it got a laugh malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #46

Forget it, that's not the point SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #52

You attacked Sander's supporters first. malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #56

I didn't do squat SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #67

I have no Bernie Enemy list malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #70

No enemies list? SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #75

I personally don't have an enemies list malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #84

Someone linked to it in this thread. Absolutely spot on Number23 Mar 2016 #143

And Clinton supporters don't post proflically? Fawke Em Mar 2016 #146

I don't know what "proflically" means and I don't believe you do either. Number23 Mar 2016 #148

SNL also did a skit malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #160

What a valuable contribution to this conversation. Thank you so much for that Number23 Mar 2016 #166

Truth. mac56 Mar 2016 #53

Hillary's pandering and co-opting of Bernie's positions Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #142

Link. PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #28

That skit was fucked up. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #61

That had nothing to do with bullying beedle Mar 2016 #140

Let me get this straight malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #19

Gonna need a bigger bus. JTFrog Mar 2016 #22

That phase does not malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #26

Oh please. JTFrog Mar 2016 #33

If that is the case malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #35

Those of us who actually read through this thread know better, but JTFrog Mar 2016 #40

I read the thread malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #43

Um, yea. When he has the interests of the people again, let everybody know. theaocp Mar 2016 #45

Fine. I hereby throw him under the bus, where he threw me. nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #156

So Bernie Sanders Supporters malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #39

I understand that the truth hurts, JTFrog Mar 2016 #49

My point still stands malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #58

No that was just you talking to yourself. n/t JTFrog Mar 2016 #62

I get it only Hillary supporters matter malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #66

Well said, Frog Number23 Mar 2016 #150

Yep. JTFrog Mar 2016 #159

Teacher says "Whenever a Clinton supports says 'Under the Bus' an angel gets his wings" DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #111

Did he already get thrown under there just for supporting Hillary? leftofcool Mar 2016 #113

Yup. n/t JTFrog Mar 2016 #116

He is not in politics anymore kacekwl Mar 2016 #25

People questioning Hillary Clinton are cyber bullies? malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #30

Actually, notice the ambiguity of how he phrased it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #64

Wow, very perceptive observation there. sammythecat Mar 2016 #136

That's exactly how I read it. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #144

It's actually the grammatically-correct way to read it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #147

Yes, exactly. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #149

Yep. Without the hyphen, it means "Bernie supports." SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #161

Tell that to John Lewis leftofcool Mar 2016 #115

Howard Dean is the real trailblazer from Vermont. FarPoint Mar 2016 #31

do you follow his lobbying now? hobbit709 Mar 2016 #44

"The REAL trailblazer" pinebox Mar 2016 #96

Howard Dean is indeed a working man... FarPoint Mar 2016 #128

lol Howard Dean sold his soul pinebox Mar 2016 #129

Of course xloadiex Mar 2016 #37

Dean doesn't know who his freinds are olddots Mar 2016 #47

Well Dr Dean, when people mispeak nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #48

He turned out to be a nasty hot mess. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #54

Simply put... Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #60

Two words: 99Forever Mar 2016 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #72

REA$ON$ Dr. Strange Mar 2016 #145

I remember... ConsiderThis_2016 Mar 2016 #55

Jimmy Dore Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #59

"The Superdelegate is Superdelicate!" mac56 Mar 2016 #68

Maybe President Obama had the big picture... ConsiderThis_2016 Mar 2016 #63

Ever since his excited yell in Iowa he's joined the DWS crowd. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #65

Did it ever occur to you Bernie folks that you all might be wrong? DCBob Mar 2016 #71

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The Democratic Party is the only thing between us and a complete takeover by RW lunatics. DCBob Mar 2016 #80

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #86

There is no actual "Independent Party". DCBob Mar 2016 #88

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Until you all form a party of your own you will need to work with the Democratic Party.. DCBob Mar 2016 #94

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Feel free to do what you want.. DCBob Mar 2016 #98

You simply refuse to understand. TM99 Mar 2016 #103

What's with the nasty name calling?? "dicks"?? really?? DCBob Mar 2016 #105

I didn't call you a dick. TM99 Mar 2016 #119

Where is the Bad Language You Reference? PCPrincess Mar 2016 #122

I'm an "independent" Dem2 Mar 2016 #92

Nope. That never occurred to me. Right is right. I'm secure in that. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #104

Fascinating. DCBob Mar 2016 #108

Well, she cuddles up to Henry Kissinger. JoeyT Mar 2016 #117

"your bias is clouding your judgement?" dana_b Mar 2016 #151

I'm sure they do believe she is our best candidate. Thing is, I disagree. nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #157

Did your parents ever say to you ibegurpard Mar 2016 #164

I think in this case the "everyone else" are the parents and teachers telling the kids what to do... DCBob Mar 2016 #165

And the Hillary campaign just keeps on missing the point. Marr Mar 2016 #73

Nothing new here Dem2 Mar 2016 #74

Pointing out facts that are evidence of lies, of corruption, and of slanderous and libelous Zorra Mar 2016 #77

Dean: It's okay that Clinton LIES about Bernie. Plus, taking online Bernie supporters Skwmom Mar 2016 #78

LOL messiah Mar 2016 #81

Howard missed the "Obama Boys" smear so he has to jump on the "Bernie Bros" smear bandwagon Larkspur Mar 2016 #82

Another former hero turns to the Dark Side LongTomH Mar 2016 #83

I'm glad you posted this. TY ConsiderThis_2016 Mar 2016 #85

Almost no one STARTS OUT corrupt... RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #87

Howard Dean under the bus itsrobert Mar 2016 #89

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Howard Dean has left the democratic wing of the democratic party. basselope Mar 2016 #93

That is the first thing that went through my mind when I read that Tweet last night. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #95

Oh- go tell it to your corporate masters Howie. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #101

He has become like Dennis Miller Nightjock Mar 2016 #106

DR. heal thyself stupidicus Mar 2016 #109

He's Dead To Me (In A General Hospital -- Sonny -- type a way) LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #110

Boo fucking hoo Not Sure Mar 2016 #112

So, this primary is all about who he likes and respect? eom Stellar Mar 2016 #114

I was a Deaniac from Maine and one of his state delegates. PWPippin Mar 2016 #118

Dean Could Never Disappoint Billsmile Mar 2016 #120

Howard Dean? the lobbyist? fbc Mar 2016 #121

Well, he's only telling the truth. Beacool Mar 2016 #124

Disappointing people can be very profitable. snort Mar 2016 #125

Dean is fed up with Bernie's supporters dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #126

Howard Dean has been a well respected DEMOCRAT for decades. George II Mar 2016 #127

Perhaps. And more's the pity. mac56 Mar 2016 #132

As one who hit the ground for him in 2003, I can say he was not well respected by the Establishment ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #133

You can't kick me in the teeth malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #134

Mistaking the truth for hate felix_numinous Mar 2016 #139

policitics is not bean bag ... beedle Mar 2016 #141

he needs some of his own medicine shanti Mar 2016 #152

Poor Hillary. So victimized. hopeforchange2008 Mar 2016 #154

Paul Wellstone would be disappointed. white_wolf Mar 2016 #155

"Bernie supporting cyberbullies"? Please. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #158

I remember Howard Dean, when he was noble. /nt NCjack Mar 2016 #162

Ridiculous that he is ignoring the will of the Vermont voters jfern Mar 2016 #163