2016 Postmortem

Fawke Em

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113. Excellent job at SoS?

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:57 PM

Mar 2016

If you call leaving a whole region of the world in shambles, "excellent," then please proceed. Her decisions on Iraq, Libya, Syria, Honduras and Haiti were simply WRONG.

Factor in the looming "arms for Clinton Foundation donations, pay-for-play" issue that WILL come out in spades during a general election and her term becomes an abject failure.

SOS is right: the international code for EXTREME DURESS.

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Public’s Disgust With the Democratic Party Propels Sanders [View all] silvershadow Mar 2016 OP

This is a constructive , thoughtful post. Thanks! nt ladjf Mar 2016 #1

In twenty years we will see this as a historic moment Baobab Mar 2016 #53

I see Bernie Go Vols Mar 2016 #172

Bernie Sanders has not been vetted. Period. n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #2

That's what primary campaigns are for, isn't it. bklyncowgirl Mar 2016 #12

But he WILL be vetted. If he gets close to the nomination.. asuhornets Mar 2016 #13

Any day now he'll get vetted .......lol Loudestlib Mar 2016 #16

"Right Clinton is still on track to win the nomination." Snarkoleptic Mar 2016 #73

Really? asuhornets Mar 2016 #83

Really? YES Snarkoleptic Mar 2016 #87

What about asuhornets Mar 2016 #94

Changing the subject already? Snarkoleptic Mar 2016 #111

Excellent job at SoS? Fawke Em Mar 2016 #113

her excellent job as SOS AlbertCat Mar 2016 #150

Oh, please. nt SylviaD Mar 2016 #163

Please...oh please AlbertCat Mar 2016 #164

What, exactly, are those excellent accomplishments? n/t elljay Mar 2016 #177

What, exactly, are those excellent accomplishments? AlbertCat Mar 2016 #186

Shouldn't it, now? elljay Mar 2016 #188

the more i learn ellennelle Mar 2016 #151

Neocons is as neocons does. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #157

Link please. n/t ljm2002 Mar 2016 #119

When? n/t Gore1FL Mar 2016 #147

so sorry ellennelle Mar 2016 #152

OMG, I can't believe you just said that. passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #178

EXPOSE! Sanders is a democratic socialist! What a shocker! Wait till people get wind of that! imagine2015 Mar 2016 #118

Vetted more than Obama was in 2008, when he went on... Herman4747 Mar 2016 #17

Obama did not beat Hillary Gwhittey Mar 2016 #41

During this primary, Bernie has outperformed EVERY prediction against him. closeupready Mar 2016 #108

I don't know if that is logic or not, but I hope you are right! n/t Gore1FL Mar 2016 #149

I have a feeling that the vetting has been intense and deep. dchill Mar 2016 #35

+1! KPN Mar 2016 #51

Exactly boobooday Mar 2016 #104

They even have to lie about his voting record. dchill Mar 2016 #106

The Clintons have never been shy about using anything and everything to win. bklyncowgirl Mar 2016 #116

If HRC's oppo research and David Brock had found any real dirt on Bernie, we tblue37 Mar 2016 #182

Yes. dchill Mar 2016 #183

I sure hope they don't. snort Mar 2016 #39

Link please. n/t ljm2002 Mar 2016 #120

he's being vetted right now and worst that's been found is wordpix Mar 2016 #45

Bernie's Gun Vote was the correct position. bvar22 Mar 2016 #139

Hillary has -- fully! KPN Mar 2016 #48

True. Here are some of her "accomplishments": Lorien Mar 2016 #129

wow. sadly, i bet this list did not take you a lot of time restorefreedom Mar 2016 #145

That's incredible!!! KPN Mar 2016 #156

Feel free. I borrowed many from another DUer (whose name escapes me) Lorien Mar 2016 #168

it's powerful seeing them listed Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #166

A partial list of why I won't vote for Hillary, but will vote for Bernie: Lorien Mar 2016 #170

Thank you for that list! LittleGirl Mar 2016 #181

You're on to something there! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #52

Yes. I was alerted for my post... asuhornets Mar 2016 #69

It's difficult for me to understand ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #75

So, Hillary has not vetted Bernie? tecelote Mar 2016 #71

Bernie's supporters "complain loudly" about LIES about him. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2016 #85

What types of vetting did you have in mind that should be ladjf Mar 2016 #59

Everything...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #70

"Everything" is a very long list. Would you be willing to narrow ladjf Mar 2016 #72

Here ya go: asuhornets Mar 2016 #76

Bernie has a detailed plan to pay for healthcare expansion and free tuition. Snarkoleptic Mar 2016 #100

There is one photo of him during the 60's asuhornets Mar 2016 #102

I presented an article, which you obviously chose not to read. Snarkoleptic Mar 2016 #112

stunning ellennelle Mar 2016 #160

Oh, now that THAT photo has been verified by the photographer, Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #161

There are several photos. nt tblue37 Mar 2016 #184

I would gladly pay a higher tax for healthcare if AllyCat Mar 2016 #185

Which has zero to do with the OP LondonReign2 Mar 2016 #79

The guy's been in Congress for 35 + years. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #80

That's exactly what it seems like...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #81

Why? His actions are public. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #84

No one has any idea asuhornets Mar 2016 #91

No one has any idea how anyone will govern as president. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #93

Yea but asuhornets Mar 2016 #95

That's why people overwhelmingly farleftlib Mar 2016 #96

Bernie asuhornets Mar 2016 #99

I assure you timmymoff Mar 2016 #155

She hasn't weathered the storm. And millions and millions of people DON'T like her, Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #97

Hillary asuhornets Mar 2016 #101

Do you not understand rynestonecowboy Mar 2016 #179

Weathered the storm? beedle Mar 2016 #138

Only to someone who hasn't been paying attention. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2016 #92

I pay attention asuhornets Mar 2016 #103

Back-tracking your lair comment now? WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2016 #105

Hillary has a ton of baggage, Bernie nope Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #122

HELL YES he has! More so than Hillary! Lorien Mar 2016 #128

yea right...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #131

And Clinton has been vetted and found to betray her Party for 1. War in Iraq rhett o rick Mar 2016 #148

in public office 30 years ellennelle Mar 2016 #158

Sanders has been thoroughly vetted, & then some, by Clinton's machine. Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #174

Voting for the Iraq war is anti-vetting, so to speak n/t eridani Mar 2016 #180

I look forward to reading Thomas Frank's new book which comes out tomorrow! nt m-lekktor Mar 2016 #3

The argument is far more convincing on the Republican side mythology Mar 2016 #4

Well, she thinks she is anyway... silvershadow Mar 2016 #5

With long time democratic values? daleanime Mar 2016 #47

I disagree. KPN Mar 2016 #63

Actually not hard to say at all. dchill Mar 2016 #110

This is an important discussion floppyboo Mar 2016 #6

Traitors would be the intransigent Republicans who did their best to nullify an entire Presidency.nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #8

No doubt. floppyboo Mar 2016 #11

+10000, thanks wordpix Mar 2016 #46

"NAFTA & its many successors have brought freedom to those who employ but RiverLover Mar 2016 #7

I can see it now; Repubicans can move the entire fiasco of the millions of jobs lost to trade deals DhhD Mar 2016 #24

All excellent points revbones Mar 2016 #50

One big motherfucking kick and recommendation! Bonobo Mar 2016 #9

You got it! nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #10

100% agree. /nt RiverLover Mar 2016 #15

Absolutely! Punkingal Mar 2016 #60

Moses didn't think he was worthy either, but he went on and led. mariawr Mar 2016 #121

This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Mar 2016 #14

The internet may yet roll back the damage of the Tellecommunications Act. floppyboo Mar 2016 #18

We live with a representative government. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #19

Gerrymandering. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #20

In the House, yes. In the Senate, no. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #22

I don't agree with your thoughts about the next President. He will have a cooperative silvershadow Mar 2016 #23

Agreed. And it will be an opposite situation from Obama. Sanders wiil have the last six years of DhhD Mar 2016 #27

Well before Willy Gwhittey Mar 2016 #44

You think that Republicans will cooperate with a man they see as a Socialist ? Trust Buster Mar 2016 #28

I don't expect the Republicans will even retain the House at this point. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #29

You clearly don't understand re-districting and gerrymandering. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #31

You seem without faith or hope. But get back to your numbers and the joy they bring or despair. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #33

Faith and Hope are tools for the religious and do not reflect political reality. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #40

Seems to me that "political reality" is over-rated. KPN Mar 2016 #68

No, they're necessary for pretty much any survival, but work with what ya got. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #78

+1000! KPN Mar 2016 #65

Why waste your time posting. anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #49

I have no intention of hiding under a rock with the makeup of the Supreme Court hanging in the Trust Buster Mar 2016 #54

Ahh, yes, SCOTUS...Always the fall-back argument during triangulation. Resist triangulation! nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #134

+1000000. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #167

I've read this in several places, and for a while now. RiverLover Mar 2016 #55

Agreed. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #56

You sound like Hillary. KPN Mar 2016 #66

But they'll cooperate with Hillary because the like her Republican ideas??? LondonReign2 Mar 2016 #90

Unlike Sanders, the Democrats will cooperate with Hillary's agenda. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #98

LOL. Awesome, Democrats wouldn't cooperate with the Democratic President LondonReign2 Mar 2016 #117

Hillary worked with Republicans just fine when she was Senator. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #124

You can't seem to answer this simple question: What will Hillary get Republicans to vote with her LondonReign2 Mar 2016 #127

Hillary is going to reshape the Supreme Court and fill the backlog of Federal Judge positions Trust Buster Mar 2016 #130

So you are saying that Hillary will get judges appointed that Obama can't? LondonReign2 Mar 2016 #132

^that!^ elljay Mar 2016 #189

They like to trot out their little "Bernie won't be able to get anything done" line LondonReign2 Mar 2016 #190

Thanks for challenging them! elljay Mar 2016 #191

Structurally representative truebluegreen Mar 2016 #67

Republicans control the Senate and the House. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #109

Um, they haven't been representing the INTERESTS of their constituents truebluegreen Mar 2016 #115

On that count, it doesn't matter what you think. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #123

You're right: it does not matter a whit what I think, truebluegreen Mar 2016 #137

Which of Hillary's proposals are the Republicans to agree to? LondonReign2 Mar 2016 #89

That explains his administration's efforts on behalf of the TPP brentspeak Mar 2016 #107

Absolutely! That's the only word to describe your OP pdsimdars Mar 2016 #21

Bearing in mind that the "dominant faction" took control of the Party... brooklynite Mar 2016 #25

They triangulated their way into position. That said, they were placeholders. silvershadow Mar 2016 #26

And the Root Cause & Expose' fredamae Mar 2016 #30

Absolutely! And Bernie is still a great representative of our POV and our dissent. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #32

Spot on! anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #34

Further evidence that DU has devolved into a Sanders cheerleading site. Paladin Mar 2016 #36

two entirely different forums. Must have hit a nerve. silvershadow Mar 2016 #37

I was blocked from Sanders for suggesting that DU was a Sanders site katmondoo Mar 2016 #38

Thanks for voting for Bernie! Divernan Mar 2016 #42

I think the two groups have naturally separated. The majority of DU are Bernie supporters. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #136

I love you Paladin ...but Trajan Mar 2016 #57

It points to some painful truths about the party. We should be able to discuss these issues. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #82

God forbid... mathewsleep Mar 2016 #126

Some people are using the ignore feature, and may not be able to see this OP. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #171

really sucks when we have to put a disclaimer about it PatrynXX Mar 2016 #43

think independently IndyV0te Mar 2016 #58

K&R CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #61

remember though, when assessing the dem party and its certainot Mar 2016 #62

The face of the party, does not help FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #64

Promoting the common good, the benevolence of the federal government and usefulness of taxes andym Mar 2016 #74

K&R vintx Mar 2016 #77

I agree with your very thoughtful post. Duval Mar 2016 #86

Sad, but true. nt Zorra Mar 2016 #88

well, look at what the party's publicly come to stand for as opposed to say 1988 MisterP Mar 2016 #114

This is why the idea of Bernie Sanders will last long after the man himself Arkana Mar 2016 #125

+1. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #135

Absolutely! KPN Mar 2016 #154

That's on a nutshell...And Bernie is proving them WRONG noiretextatique Mar 2016 #133

We need to get rid of the DNC and start the Democratic Socialist Committee - DSC Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #140

The Democratic Party has not helped the poor, working poor and middle class since Jimmy Carter. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #141

We didn't leave the Democratic Party, it left us. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #142

Seems kinda back to normal for a second shadowmayor Mar 2016 #143

great article! Big K and R! bbgrunt Mar 2016 #144

I think I agree with you but I need to ask one question. jwirr Mar 2016 #146

Oh I did not author this piece. I just shared it. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #153

Well does anyone else know what the author is referring to jwirr Mar 2016 #159

My Understanding of what the OP Meant are PCPrincess Mar 2016 #176

Thank you. Then I do agree with the author. Every time I jwirr Mar 2016 #187

Off the mark, in my opinion Wibly Mar 2016 #162

KnR SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #165

After all of the triangulation of the DNC for the past 20 years, this article is a no-brainer. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #169

Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #173

Kicking nt LiberalElite Mar 2016 #175