2016 Postmortem

Jemmons

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95. Yes, but in no way, shape or form thanks to economists who are trained to obfuscate the realities

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 06:45 AM

Mar 2016

that ordinary humans are forced to live with. The dogma about trade deals is just one example and there are many more. There is no real science which is tasked with making a field of study as hard to understand as possible and as divorced from realities as possible.

As an economist it is not brilliance, insights or breakthroughs that will promote your positions: If you can make a halfway convincing argument for social injustice you become a hero for the oligarchs. If you have a tint of honesty and sway the discourse a bit towards the truth you become a global hero and are in line to pick up a nobel price whenever that slot is not taken by some high priest of the church of gold.

And dont tempt me to write what I really think about Krugman.

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Krugman Raises White Flag on Trade, admits his “free-trade” cheerleading was mostly garbage [View all] Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 OP

in today's ny times, Jared Bernstein has op ed about all the negative effects of free trade: amborin Mar 2016 #1

Clinton trade deal is the real reason US health care is so thoroughly broken- Baobab Mar 2016 #14

this would be a great OP amborin Mar 2016 #20

yes +1 840high Mar 2016 #75

Definitely...... daleanime Mar 2016 #34

Thanks for posting this Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #70

Thanks for the Jared Bernstein article. It really should be an OP. hedda_foil Mar 2016 #81

No Shit! " “free trade” globalization was mostly garbage." How can he say that while we rhett o rick Mar 2016 #2

Good Article to lay on the DLC, Third Way "Dems" here that have been defending it Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #35

No amount of proof will shake their loyalty. The reason they refuse to discuss positions on rhett o rick Mar 2016 #69

Money - i.e. the revolving door.. Baobab Mar 2016 #71

Utterly DESPICABLE. Lives, livelihoods, entire industries and communities destroyed by these LIARS. AzDar Mar 2016 #3

a nobel, a big salary, dinner with the big shots, he sold out to his ego roguevalley Mar 2016 #39

K&R Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #4

"free trade" is definitely crap. Triana Mar 2016 #5

There's really no such thing as "free trade" TexasBushwhacker Mar 2016 #82

+1 n/t Triana Mar 2016 #83

There were people who said this in the 80s when Reagan and Bush Jarqui Mar 2016 #6

My first vote was for Perot and not Clinton, I will vote for Ahole Trump in order to bonniebgood Mar 2016 #96

.... 99Forever Mar 2016 #7

Krugman is another 'He Who Can't Ever Be Criticized" so this is a shocker!1 (not) m-lekktor Mar 2016 #8

yep. Phlem Mar 2016 #100

I have learned, over the past 12 to 15 years, to trust absolutely nothing that comes from FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #9

No harm , no foul ..... TheFarS1de Mar 2016 #10

Nate Silver - buh bye, Krugman - so long. I love this election cycle. / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #11

Are you 99% sure about that? villager Mar 2016 #53

within one standard deviation. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #56

ha! Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #92

it's crazy, right? Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #93

And when will he disavow Clinton and her "golden standard" for the TPP Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #12

Their misguided arrogence goes a lot farther Armstead Mar 2016 #13

Their whole game is selling horrible policies to benefit the 1% and then saying oops 20 years later Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #16

Correction.... Armstead Mar 2016 #17

Too late for all those lost jobs in Michigan, eh, Mr. Krugman? Raster Mar 2016 #15

Day late and Dollar short, Mr. Dumbass. SoapBox Mar 2016 #18

K&R Thank for posting Mbrow Mar 2016 #19

I disagree with this author's critique of Krugman's article. ieoeja Mar 2016 #21

Exactly. spooky3 Mar 2016 #72

Yeah, the author is projecting zipplewrath Mar 2016 #102

But of course it's the way it was handled. It's always the way it's handled. Those objecting are rhett o rick Mar 2016 #106

lol i remember when I was being lectured to give respect to Krugman by some DUers... nt retrowire Mar 2016 #22

Quite frankly...I dunno what "FREE trade" is. Does it even exist? AlbertCat Mar 2016 #23

I hate it when some blogger can't read. Krugman: "Mr. Sanders is demagoguing the issue." Hoyt Mar 2016 #24

It was wrong to exacerbate existing problems by forcing "free trade" on us Armstead Mar 2016 #27

I think if we can partnership with other nations, we are a stronger country and world. Isolating Hoyt Mar 2016 #30

No one is talking about "isolating" the US Armstead Mar 2016 #32

Will be glad to hear what Sanders says is the right way when he stops ranting and gets down to facts Hoyt Mar 2016 #37

This is a position paper of the Progressive Caucus Armstead Mar 2016 #42

So what is he going to do with all the ones we already have? Even the ones pending. Oh, well, Hoyt Mar 2016 #48

Okay I give up Armstead Mar 2016 #63

So how do you like chapter 11 of NAFTA? senz Mar 2016 #87

Bernie Sanders doesn't "rant." He talks in facts. Guess you've never heard him. senz Mar 2016 #86

worn out either/or neoliberal false meme meant to scare and confuse - cut it out! Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #40

Sorry, we've taken more than our share of the world's wealth and resources to up and leave the game. Hoyt Mar 2016 #41

no one ever said it would be easy... nor impossible. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #45

The platitudes are killing me. Hoyt Mar 2016 #46

We need trade, but we do not need the trade agreements that prevent us from JDPriestly Mar 2016 #54

Who do you think you're kidding with that nonsense? Marr Mar 2016 #77

Excellent response Populist_Prole Mar 2016 #88

That's called Nationalism. We will be a poor country trading among ourselves, not to mention Hoyt Mar 2016 #89

Economic colonialism is not about altruism. People aren't nearly as moronic as you Marr Mar 2016 #97

And if you think Willoam Greider is a "blogger" you don't know shit Armstead Mar 2016 #31

Don't care who he is if he can't read/comprehend. I guess his audience must be pretty dense. Hoyt Mar 2016 #33

If you had happened to come across his writings outside the campaign framework... Armstead Mar 2016 #36

What Credibility? What Standing? n2doc Mar 2016 #64

Are you calling William Greider "some blogger?" senz Mar 2016 #85

"some blogger"... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #104

"economic orthodoxy in collapse" Jack Rabbit Mar 2016 #25

+1000000. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #58

Wm Greider is one of the most honest and lucid writers ever! Mr. Krugman bbgrunt Mar 2016 #26

Yes! He was calling bullshit from way back. Krugman is a dwarf compared to him. Armstead Mar 2016 #29

Yet, he doesn't get essence of what Krugman said, including, "Mr. Sanders is demagoguing the issue." Hoyt Mar 2016 #52

This is a very good piece about what America is when it comes to being a non-sovereign country..... turbinetree Mar 2016 #28

' economic orthodoxy in collapse.' elleng Mar 2016 #38

At least 86derps Mar 2016 #43

There is no greater violence than poverty. Jemmons Mar 2016 #44

Thank you - There is no greater violence than poverty. Have jwirr Mar 2016 #61

And the past 20 years have seen the largest reduction in global poverty in history Recursion Mar 2016 #73

Yes, but in no way, shape or form thanks to economists who are trained to obfuscate the realities Jemmons Mar 2016 #95

I'm so tired of people 'making mistakes", "misspeaking" etc. Most of us know what it really was. nt cyberpj Mar 2016 #47

This makes me so sad, for what might have been had he told the truth sooner. Octafish Mar 2016 #49

I hope he raises the white flag on Hillary next. Broward Mar 2016 #50

I've never found him mean-spirited, but its good to find an economist admitting error bhikkhu Mar 2016 #51

This could be a rare case of truth seeking and soul searching. But isnt it a lot more likely that he Jemmons Mar 2016 #59

Oh, please He just realizes Americans aren't buying his b.s. any longer. There were plenty of Skwmom Mar 2016 #55

That's it exactly, I believe Populist_Prole Mar 2016 #57

They have been pushing the TPP. Who in the hell does he think he is fooling? Skwmom Mar 2016 #65

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Thank you, Cheese Sandwich! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #60

The more apt term for "free trade" is Pay-to-Play. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #62

That's about the size of it. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #66

Why isn't it called FAIR Trade? Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #67

I hope he admits his pro-Clinton campaigns against Obama's supporters and Bernie's supporters are bs merrily Mar 2016 #68

"...a meaningful indicator of economic orthodoxy in collapse." Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #74

What a complete rewriting of what Krugman actually wrote ..completely laughable response to butthurt pkdu Mar 2016 #76

Banish Krugman To Working At A 7-11 For Minimum Wage Till He Is 90 scottie55 Mar 2016 #78

Of course, this will go in to his permanent record. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #79

The article takes the Krugman quote out of context. The Nation article is lying. Buzz cook Mar 2016 #80

It's what happens when one refuses to accept GREED and FRAUD into their models. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2016 #84

I'll probably be roasted here, but I feel globalization is great, but has been horribly mishandled. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #90

Sorry zipplewrath Mar 2016 #107

Krugman: Trade and Tribulation BlueStateLib Mar 2016 #91

Good job, Cheese! I love PK but never cared for his Nobel Prize Award winning thoughts on trade WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #94

I call BS! Anyone whoe saw a white flag in that column has reading comprehension problems. Nitram Mar 2016 #98

Free Trade is complete BS Phlem Mar 2016 #99

Doubt he's going to be a champion for the little guy. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #101

I will no longer defend Paul. He is yoyo. saidsimplesimon Mar 2016 #103

Same here. Krugman disappointed me. snowy owl Mar 2016 #105