2016 Postmortem

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts) Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:45 PM Mar 2016

Hillary Clinton & Her Supporters Own This Now [View all]

If she SCREWS this up, like many Sanders supporters like myself think she inevitably will, I blame every single last Clinton supporter for the fact we will end up with President Trump, or some other wacked out contested convention nominee.

She says she has this. Her supporters say not to worry, her positives will outweigh her public opinion negatives when election time comes. Fine. I'll believe you.

But if her support mysteriously disappears, or all the African American support she obviously has does not materialize in sufficient numbers come November, I will lose all respect I had for the Clinton legacy, and that includes former President Bill.

So good luck. I sincerely hope we don't lose the White House. I'll be voting for the Democratic nominee, but I'm not going to be as enthusiastic a supporter as I would be if Bernie were the candidate.

As for optimism, I have very little. Best case scenario is more of the status quo under Clinton. Worst case....well, I don't want to even think about that.

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Hillary Clinton & Her Supporters Own This Now [View all] SoCalMusicLover Mar 2016 OP

No, I think Sanders supporters still "own it" too MaggieD Mar 2016 #1

So If She Loses In November, It's Bernie's Fault SoCalMusicLover Mar 2016 #10

It is the Nader theory UglyGreed Mar 2016 #38

No, it will be weak kneed Democrats fault for not voting for Bernie in the South !!! orpupilofnature57 Mar 2016 #52

But if she wins... quickesst Mar 2016 #105

As a former Bernie guy... I agree. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #13

Shut up? No way artislife Mar 2016 #19

I think it's time. We lost, hard as that is to take. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #26

There are still caucuses to vote in artislife Mar 2016 #36

Wow, that's off-the-charts crazy to tell anyone to "shut up." CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #50

I want all of the things you want. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #60

The more delegates Bernie has come convention time, the more he can move the platform left. femmedem Mar 2016 #127

Since you are a former Sanders supporter, you're not part of the "we" that lost Doctor_J Mar 2016 #53

You are flat wrong. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #70

Yeah, uh huh Arazi Mar 2016 #110

All noble goals. All goals I share. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #114

Then you were never in it or you'd know its greater than one person Arazi Mar 2016 #116

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #117

Good post. Thank you. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #39

As you are an ardent Hillary supporter let me ask: Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #77

I voted for Hillary, and I hope Bernie will be given a featured prime time Tanuki Mar 2016 #93

I will be surprised if that happens Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #95

I think a public show of respect and unity would be a smart move. Tanuki Mar 2016 #97

Iagree that she ran very hard in 2008 BUT Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #107

" Now, it's time to sit down, shut up, and admit defeat" pangaia Mar 2016 #44

You don't need to shut up ... salinsky Mar 2016 #64

What reason does Hillary have to care what Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #72

For the sake of unity ... salinsky Mar 2016 #94

Not to be an ass... Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #96

Really? Shadowflash Mar 2016 #128

Not happening. Karma13612 Mar 2016 #84

No it is no longer my race. I am a Bernie guy but Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #85

Fine, but there are plenty more people to vote. Karma13612 Mar 2016 #89

Let the people vote. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #122

You are correct Shadowflash Mar 2016 #129

Fuck that. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #91

I disagree mythology Mar 2016 #112

Uncomfortable facts are not smears. Sorry that the truth doesn't look kindly on your corrupt JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #16

What facts? MaggieD Mar 2016 #34

See Post #56 for an inconvenient fact which I am sure you dismiss as a smear. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #62

List of "baseless innuendo": MelissaB Mar 2016 #17

But none of you ever have a shred of fact to back up anything MaggieD Mar 2016 #32

. MelissaB Mar 2016 #76

No, I'm just watching you deflect and post crap you can't back up MaggieD Mar 2016 #80

I thought you were on a time out. grasswire Mar 2016 #98

They spent months 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #79

Yep - as I predicted they would MaggieD Mar 2016 #83

I agree. bravenak Mar 2016 #103

No. She lost any hope of my support in 2008. Kittycat Mar 2016 #125

Her campaign told me that white berniebros who are passionate about their candidate JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #2

They've made it very clear they neither want nor need his supporters' votes, haven't they? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #8

Honestly I couldn't care less MaggieD Mar 2016 #37

nader voters voted for nader, actually. That's why they're called "Nader voters." Scootaloo Mar 2016 #47

Oh drop that silly canard MaggieD Mar 2016 #51

200,000 democrats voted for Bush in Florida. That's the bald fact, maggieD Scootaloo Mar 2016 #56

No need to take my word for it - his own staff admits it MaggieD Mar 2016 #82

200,000 democrats voted for Bush in Florida. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #100

Nader denialism lives! redstateblues Mar 2016 #87

200,000 Democrats voted for Bush Scootaloo Mar 2016 #99

Yep, I'm just a racist, misogynist Berniebro, why would they want my support? nt Coincidence Mar 2016 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #30

Exactly. They clearly don't want our votes. And she won't ever get mine peacebird Mar 2016 #57

I'm right there with ya. eggman67 Mar 2016 #119

Oh don't worry nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #3

So what. Blame. Some prefer to do, than to sit back and blame. seabeyond Mar 2016 #4

I plan to vote for the nominee Scootaloo Mar 2016 #14

If you vote for a Democratic candidate, and that candidate loses, how in the world would you seabeyond Mar 2016 #22

Because I've seen it before. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #55

Not from me. So why give it to me, as if it is a concern, let alone fact? seabeyond Mar 2016 #58

'Course. It hasn't happened yet. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #61

Which would be my point. You treated it as an occuring event. Yes, a prediction, guess, whatever. seabeyond Mar 2016 #90

One that I am nevertheless 100% certain of. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #101

You can be a 1000% certain and no different than a guess. Lol. Which has no certainty. seabeyond Mar 2016 #104

If she loses, not when Scootaloo Mar 2016 #108

good to know, but i didnt word it that way thinking you felt it was an inevitable loss. seabeyond Mar 2016 #111

If our people all vote, we win. Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #5

" we lose because of that, it's on them." dana_b Mar 2016 #81

If only we knew what was good for us! Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #86

What hypocritical bullshit. You are telling Bernie supporters what is good for us. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #102

+10000. eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #88

No, it is really not on the voter -- it is on the political party Samantha Mar 2016 #121

A truly inspiring and uniting post. grossproffit Mar 2016 #6

what a juvenile thread. We're ONE party. Get a grip & grow up themaguffin Mar 2016 #7

One party, yes, but I still retain some values. I am not in lockstep with you. thereismore Mar 2016 #15

It's not about "lockstep" but it's about much more than a candidate themaguffin Mar 2016 #31

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #9

Welcome to DU! grossproffit Mar 2016 #12

Welcome to DU ScorchedEarth themaguffin Mar 2016 #20

Please don't be a defeatist. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #11

Did this thread author even read Skinner's recent manifesto ? Trust Buster Mar 2016 #18

After the primaries in 2008 peace13 Mar 2016 #21

Should be a rule that calls for a Sanders concession must also address Hillary's 2008 actions. nt Coincidence Mar 2016 #35

Attention all Hillary Supporters: ANNOUNCEMENT! ANNOUNCEMENT! alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #23

I'll try not to lose any sleep over that ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #48

Some people feel it's the voters to blame when a candidate loses Fumesucker Mar 2016 #24

It is the same kind of magical thinking nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #27

Sanders can't defeat her and she's the problem? Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #28

Why do you have the assumption that she will "screw" this up? She BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #29

No facts needed MaggieD Mar 2016 #41

Oh noes! nt onehandle Mar 2016 #33

If a candidate cannot win the primary/caucus of the party they have chosen to run in Peacetrain Mar 2016 #40

Yup Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #46

I don't blame people who support Hillary Kalidurga Mar 2016 #42

Why the rush to declare "blame"? Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #43

Or " Responsibility " orpupilofnature57 Mar 2016 #54

Simply discussing! that's what comes to mind upaloopa Mar 2016 #45

Roger that. It's great that Clinton has your vote. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #49

Blame yourself. Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #59

If Trump wins I'll blame Hillary for being a crappy nominee. nt PonyUp Mar 2016 #67

And I'll blame BS Supporters for having a toddler level tantrum and not showing up to vote. n/t Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #68

I'll show up to vote, but not for a Wall Strret war monger Goldman Sachs corporatist. Nt PonyUp Mar 2016 #69

Congrats on aiding in electing Trump and proving my point about toddler tantrums! :P Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #71

Sorry, but not voting for Hillary is not a vote for tRump. PonyUp Mar 2016 #73

LOL Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #78

straight to the ignore list. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #113

The horror! Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #123

you actually had respect for Bill? ibegurpard Mar 2016 #63

Will you be blaming Sanders too? joshcryer Mar 2016 #65

Best case is her administration will surprise you. randome Mar 2016 #66

Yes. PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #74

It is not just the AA vote. There is also the Asian and latino votes as well. AgadorSparticus Mar 2016 #75

Who's saying not to worry? Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #92

The voters do treestar Mar 2016 #106

I've been told more than once on this site that my vote isn't needed. vintx Mar 2016 #109

No they don't own this... smiley Mar 2016 #115

Thanks, I think we can handle it from here on out. nt ucrdem Mar 2016 #118

Yep. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #120

Proudly. Gladly. (Thank you very much!) NurseJackie Mar 2016 #124

You have respect for the Clinton legacy? ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #126