2016 Postmortem

Jefferson23

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16. Simplistic, stay with that. You responded to this OP which is 12 minutes in length which

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:32 AM

Mar 2016

tells me you're not listening. The obstacles before Sanders are and were real, our
corporate driven media has closed off meaningful conversations on polices for
more than a decade...our democracy has been compromised and his platform
has been a threat to their complicit role. This election cycle and his campaign
has always been about more than Hillary Clinton.

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Sanders Path to Victory Blocked by Media and Party Elites [View all] Jefferson23 Mar 2016 OP

The voters blocked his path. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #1

Complexity in politics and all its variables is lost on some. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #3

And the fact that majority rules is lost on others. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #5

Like I said, analysis is not welcomed by some. It really is not about your candidate, not entirely. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #11

Analysis of the results is clear. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #13

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Simplistic, stay with that. You responded to this OP which is 12 minutes in length which Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #16

The idea that the media is for Hillary is laughable. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #22

This is the unfairest election I have seen in my voting lifetime. pangaia Mar 2016 #26

How so? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #29

Oh jesu ! pangaia Mar 2016 #33

You make a statement and I ask you to expand on that and I get a facepalm? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #39

It's unfair because his candidate is losing... comradebillyboy Mar 2016 #115

What?? Dem2 Mar 2016 #56

Again, the bigger picture escapes you and progressive media watch dogs don't see it Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #35

Just remember that the voters so far are saying thanks but no Thanks to Sanders. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #41

I already know that, and again, that's not what the OP is about. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #43

And my point is it was not the media or party elite that is the reason he is losing. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #44

Your candidate is winning yet you appear to need to secure that win had nothing Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #49

We see it differently. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #54

The bias is extreme. She is favored by the MSM and the Billionaires who control bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #87

Correction: Most people who voted in the BIBLE BELT Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #85

All votes count. Cheers. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #92

As long as the analysis agrees with MY hypothesis Dem2 Mar 2016 #53

No, it is about the influence of corporate driven media..for many that would be undeniable. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #55

I've never seen a candidate get shit on like Hillary has Dem2 Mar 2016 #59

They favor the establishment, overall. No one suggested they only write favorably about Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #64

They showed an attack ad of Hillary barking like a dog every 10 minutes yesterday Dem2 Mar 2016 #68

No candidate is owed coverage? Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #73

I agree - any ideas on how to fix it? Dem2 Mar 2016 #111

Yes, and one conversation our candidates should have which is perilous to the msm Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #113

Spare us naivety - the "majority" is always absent in the primaries. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #48

A majority of the Democratic Party Primary voters. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #51

FYI, using Democratic turnout #s, Hillary is drawing 6.435% of the general electorate Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #76

Yes turnout is down but of those who are voting she is getting a majority of the vote. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #78

Another typical Hill-extremist. Even thought you're debating us, desmiller Mar 2016 #83

I feel appropriately chided! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #88

But we were told that Sanders would bring out the "absent majority" brooklynite Mar 2016 #80

So, I clarify the use of 'majority rules" and you reply with a hit job? Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #91

He brought out more than Clinton ever bargained for, she was only worried about a Warren run. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #97

This treestar Mar 2016 #18

Right workinclasszero Mar 2016 #103

Damn those voters for voting! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #104

But..but...once they get to know Bernie and his wonderful plans, well... workinclasszero Mar 2016 #105

no, it's because Democratic voters prefer Hillary Clinton geek tragedy Mar 2016 #2

We'll see how this plays out in the next contests. My bet is Bernie will tie it up by California peacebird Mar 2016 #6

It is impossible for him to tie it up by Cali. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #12

The big states before California are all Hillary country. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #17

I want to see how somebody wins New Jersey being anti-bank alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #57

I wonder how "close the ports" will play in California. nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #60

No, he was always a long shot, b/c has taken on the establishment of politics, period. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #7

the problem is that most Democrats are not terribly anti-establishment geek tragedy Mar 2016 #14

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no, disagreement with you does't mean someone is ignorant nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #27

You would think all these philosopher kings and queens would be on tv or writing books./nt DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #31

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Can we both ask each other one question? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #46

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I support DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #65

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They have returned with their own handles and not aliases. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #106

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We are straying far from the topic. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #108

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that old smear again. redstateblues Mar 2016 #63

They're not terribly informed about the level of corruption, some think its on one Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #23

it will be up to his supporters to carry the movement forward geek tragedy Mar 2016 #34

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We've done better than some will ever give us credit for and we'll do better going forward. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #40

sure you've done quite well, but there's a lot of unglamourous and humbling work geek tragedy Mar 2016 #42

Unstoppable, geek...we'll get there. So far none of it has been glamorous and Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #45

He was a Senator. He wasn't just trying to pad his resume Armstead Mar 2016 #10

sure, and that's one very big reason he's losing votes--because he never was concerned with building geek tragedy Mar 2016 #20

Those pesky voters! tritsofme Mar 2016 #4

Excuses excuses. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #8

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Sadly, in my lifetime, USA has become USA, INC. Most don't give a damn about the RKP5637 Mar 2016 #9

Actually, it is Democratic Party Voters who blocked him. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #19

They like Sanders better, but not enough know him. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #24

No, the voters prefer Hillary Clinton. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #30

your statement is mathematically false nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #37

Wow This Video Must Scare the Hillary Folks DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #28

Nope, it's blocked by simple math. RandySF Mar 2016 #32

Sanders' path seems to be blocked by voters. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #47

And Voters. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #50

That has been true since Sanders said in 2014 that he would explore a run. merrily Mar 2016 #52

Yes and as you can see in many of the responses, corporate driven media is not Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #58

I've become used to ignoring "many of the responses." Canned propaganda never merrily Mar 2016 #62

I see it as a defensive measure that secures in their mind a candidate is winning primarily Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #66

Could be mere psittacism. merrily Mar 2016 #69

lol..yes, very likely. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #71

Bob Dylan sang "Money doesn't talk, it swears." It also posts. 24/7 merrily Mar 2016 #74

LOL that is excellent..thanks for adding that link. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #82

I live to link. merrily Mar 2016 #84

Thanks, merrily. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #90

The NYT has been among the worst, although with a negative post about Bernie per hour, merrily Mar 2016 #94

The Clinton era, the Telecommunications Act 1996. I refer to it as the gift that keeps Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #95

Okay..Merrily... you made me do this: KoKo Mar 2016 #96

Great photo too..thanks, KoKo. :) Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #98

Have to deal with that cognitive dissonance somehow. vintx Mar 2016 #100

I get how we are all vulnerable at times, but this thread is stunning in its denial of Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #102

It is not a bright man that holds his hand out for help and then trashes those that help him. seabeyond Mar 2016 #67

Nonsense. Is Hillary running rough shod over Obama on TPP? Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #70

Reality, not nonsense. Tell me, who goes to a group and says, I want your resources and base... seabeyond Mar 2016 #72

You have a strawman argument..you need to complain to the DNC they were accepting Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #77

No. I do not have a strawman argument. Diss a group, it will piss them off. seabeyond Mar 2016 #81

Unless Hillary decides to disagree with Obama...which is where your strawman plays out. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #86

his path is blocked by lack of enough votes. nt WhiteTara Mar 2016 #75

Watch the Video and then go Back to watch Part I...because Bill Curry knows the Clintons........ KoKo Mar 2016 #118

PBS and NPR news anchors just as guilty ruralsteve Mar 2016 #79

Don't think so bigwillq Mar 2016 #89

Influences should not be examined, eh? Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #93

So how did Clinton lose in 2008? mythology Mar 2016 #116

Recommend... KoKo Mar 2016 #99

And voters MaggieD Mar 2016 #109

Ayup. We see it... AzDar Mar 2016 #110

excellent and informative analysis GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #114

"Bernie was an Insult to their Vanity" KoKo Mar 2016 #117

exactly tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #119