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2016 Postmortem

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davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:59 PM Mar 2016

The Filthy Smear Campaign Being Conducted Against Sanders [View all]

You know, it's interesting... every day I check in to read the posts here - and every day, I see something even more ridiculous than I read the day before. Posts implying, or even outright stating that Sanders and his supporters are made up of angry, white, racist bigots. It is implied that we are all misogynistic in addition to being racist, it has been implied and even outright stated that Sanders support all comes from the white male patriarchy.

You would think that Sanders was leading some kind of movement or protest from the right wing. You would think that, perhaps his history, voting record... stated positions and/or policies were in some manner, racist and sexist in the extreme. After all, if there is any weight - any truth to these accusations then something must be behind them, right?

So... out of curiosity... what's so bad about universal health insurance? Does that, in some manner, benefit white males over everyone else? What about higher education funded by the public? Does that, in some manner, benefit white males over everyone else? What about raising the federal minimum wage? Acting to reduce climate change by reducing our reliance on fossil fuels and investing in clean energy?

What about making the wealthy 1% pay more - a lot more - in taxes? Does that... in some way, benefit white males over everyone else?

Do any of these policies... does anything he has actually said or done, indicate that Sanders is some kind of racist/misogynistic hate monger? You know, I haven't seen anything to indicate that, despite the frequent accusations and implications based, typically on: "Well, someone who is voting for Bernie said this one time..." the facts remain the facts.

Sanders is leading a political movement that comes from the left, not the right. It is a movement that is all about equality a movement that addresses the root of what causes so much of our inequality... specifically, financial inequality. Inequality in regards to opportunity, education, treatment for injuries or disease. This is why people are so excited. He is saying out loud what a lot of us here at DU have been saying for years. That the game is rigged.

Now I'm not going to bash all Clinton supporters, because a few of them said ridiculous things. I AM however, offering an invitation to those who did: Please explain. Elaborate. How is anything about Sanders or what he is doing promoting racism and/or misogyny?

The policies being proposed here, being promoted by the Sanders campaign... the facts about the overwhelming wealth and power of the 1%... are real - and I challenge anyone to prove to me that he is a liar.

I do not support racist politicians. I do not support misogynistic politicians. I do not contribute my own hard earned money (what pathetic little of it I have left) to their campaigns. I do not volunteer on their behalf. What I see with Sanders is an opportunity for honest growth, for honest repair... from where it really needs to happen... from the bottom up. Universal health insurance, education, wage increases and/or workers rights benefit ALL of us.

This needs to be about more than which side we're on, because, generally speaking, I believe all of us here at DU at least lean left. We are on the same side. We want many of the same things. We are not a party or a group that promotes racism and misogyny. We are not a party or a group that promotes lies and deliberate smears - either. We don't Swiftboat our own, do we? Sanders is one of us - and has been for years... not, I do not mean a DUer, I mean a DOer. I mean someone who has spent decades fighting for things we desperately want and need. It goes beyond that though, this revolution is beyond political, it is a matter of thought, of heart, of spirit, of people saying enough is enough... and demanding the return of what was stolen from us long ago: Hope.

We are the alternative to all kinds of insanity, hate and ignorance. We are what stands in the way of Trump and his white supremacists, of Cruz and his religious, tea party fanatics.

I'm all for having an honest argument about policies and positions. I'm all for putting our candidates in front of a spotlight and examining them until we get down to bare bones (metaphorically speaking). I support Sanders, because I'm just plain poor. Yes, I'm a white millenial - but what does that really matter? I'm not a member of the 1%, I'm not some racist, misogynistic shmuck looking to bring you all down. I'm a regular person who wants to heal the world and make it a better place for ALL of us. Just like Sanders.

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When We Stand Together - No Citizen - Need Settle For The Lessor - Of Two Corporate Evils cantbeserious Mar 2016 #1
great post!++++++ marions ghost Mar 2016 #2
Re: You would think that Sanders was leading some kind of movement or protest from the right wing SFnomad Mar 2016 #3
There IS a movement on the right as well. davidthegnome Mar 2016 #5
Like I said SFnomad Mar 2016 #11
To be fair davidthegnome Mar 2016 #15
K&R, but the 1% (and the "temporarily embarrassed billionaires") really don't want fair. Electric Monk Mar 2016 #16
very nice OwlinAZ Mar 2016 #40
Nice 🍻 deathrind Mar 2016 #80
When your worst is amplified..tRump rallies MaeScott Mar 2016 #84
When your worst is amplified..tRump rallies MaeScott Mar 2016 #84
Maybe Old Codger Mar 2016 #10
And an example of that is ...? snowy owl Mar 2016 #13
Of course they don't. BeanMusical Mar 2016 #19
I saw one guy bring up Vince Foster. Once. I chewed him for it. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #28
You mean when we use her words or actions against her? nt artislife Mar 2016 #21
Give me an example of a rightwinger who wants single payer eridani Mar 2016 #24
Would you mind listing a few of those "talking points" so that I can better understand your post? ladjf Mar 2016 #32
I guess you didn't get the memo - truedelphi Mar 2016 #4
Maybe you don't think you are, but . . . Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #6
You don't hire David Brock to formulate a message of hope and opportunity. / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #7
It's kind of amazing jfern Mar 2016 #26
quelle ironique farleftlib Mar 2016 #58
Indeed, and the "artful smear" and "Bernie Bros" talking points are transparent, Snarkoleptic Mar 2016 #64
Excellent thread, davidthegnome Samantha Mar 2016 #8
Of course there is Old Codger Mar 2016 #9
Neither proof nor truth matter, those posts have to do with the "BIG LIE" Stategy that Brock Dragonfli Mar 2016 #12
The robotic , monotonous, unimaginative, inhuman responses could just as well been ladjf Mar 2016 #36
I agree, it could even be written in old DOS BASIC Dragonfli Mar 2016 #60
No way that the non-progressive want the same things we want. They think fracking for oil rhett o rick Mar 2016 #14
I"ve also had them defend Monsanto, NAFTA TPP GMO's Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #65
It's a political dirty game they play. Skwmom Mar 2016 #17
Yours is a well thought out post IMO. Thanks. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #37
The Clintons are famous poo flingers OwlinAZ Mar 2016 #39
They did the EXACT same shit to Obama in the Primary... When I began to LOATHE Hillary and those AzDar Mar 2016 #18
When Bernie said "That's a low blow," it was revealing for a man who gave her a pass on her emails. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #44
Thank you for taking the effort to type this fine OP PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #20
"We don't Swiftboat our own, do we?" ljm2002 Mar 2016 #22
Great post! I'm a boomer and have known Bernie since the 1980s, he's the real deal flamingdem Mar 2016 #23
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #25
And then they tell us we MUST vote for Hillary...sure...you betcha! emsimon33 Mar 2016 #27
Thank you, Kokonoe Mar 2016 #29
Yes there are people who speak words of truth and others pdsimdars Mar 2016 #30
I think you are an honest idealist making a good political choice. ladjf Mar 2016 #31
And against Hillary? oberliner Mar 2016 #33
I don't believe there has been an effort noiretextatique Mar 2016 #48
I think there are posts smearing Bernie and posts smearing Hillary oberliner Mar 2016 #63
Bernie is not evil or a fool or a racist or anything like that. DCBob Mar 2016 #34
I am with you on that. Thanks. Well said. riversedge Mar 2016 #35
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #38
Wrong on both counts. Scuba Mar 2016 #41
correct on both counts wyldwolf Mar 2016 #46
What about his black, latino, native, and asian supporters? noiretextatique Mar 2016 #49
What about them ? wyldwolf Mar 2016 #56
What about what? I say: Sanders supporters are no more noiretextatique Mar 2016 #57
Yeah , what about them ? wyldwolf Mar 2016 #61
As I said: POC support Sanders noiretextatique Mar 2016 #62
And as I said angry, white, racist bigots are the loudest group in Bernie supporters wyldwolf Mar 2016 #68
We are either the problem or invisible and thus don't count Generic Other Mar 2016 #67
That is 100 percent bullshit.... Armstead Mar 2016 #54
I judge a candidate by their own words and actions, not those of invisible pixle people. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #59
Guess what? babylonsister Mar 2016 #70
K&R Scuba Mar 2016 #42
Good post. Honestly, baffled as well. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #43
In this election season up is down and down is up. Vinca Mar 2016 #45
More crazy projection by Sanders supporters. Squinch Mar 2016 #47
No mystery: she needs POC to vote for her noiretextatique Mar 2016 #50
Some of the most vocal supporters like WillyT have redstateblues Mar 2016 #52
Who gives a flying f#%÷ noiretextatique Mar 2016 #55
As simple as that. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #79
Bernie Sanders doesn't have a PNAC bone in his body or PNAC skeleton in his closet. Octafish Mar 2016 #51
Excellent Post....10000 Recs if I could Armstead Mar 2016 #53
Capital does not give up power easily - TBF Mar 2016 #66
Trump and the Capitalist are both fighting over the "booty". (stolen money) nt ladjf Mar 2016 #81
Kicking... Great Post. n/t ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #69
Because of the posters here I like Hillary less than 6 months ago. Nt Logical Mar 2016 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #73
My experience exactly. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #82
I don't think he is. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #72
Photos of Bernie, chained to your black protesters in Chicago 1963. ladjf Mar 2016 #83
I'm not sure as to your point with respect to my comment... NCTraveler Mar 2016 #86
Sorry, I misread your post. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #87
I did that with someone's post last night. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #89
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Do angels vote? zappaman Mar 2016 #75
I'm not sure I believe in angels but I love your post. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #90
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #92
Carter might be as honest as Bernie. ladjf Mar 2016 #93
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We are on the same page. I think the World of Pres. Carter. ladjf Mar 2016 #95
Well thought out and well written. Thanks imagine2015 Mar 2016 #76
Oh Bravo! Faux pas Mar 2016 #77
It is the worst political filth I've ever seen and I'm a senior citizen. ladjf Mar 2016 #78
Well said. nt Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #88
Bernie smears plenty of people, himself. His entire campaign is one big smear. n/t R B Garr Mar 2016 #91
Still waiting for substance. davidthegnome Mar 2016 #96
lol, this is why people don't bother with this game anymore. There is plenty of R B Garr Mar 2016 #97
Where? davidthegnome Mar 2016 #98
Your whole OP is basically flinging mud. It's fact free itself. R B Garr Mar 2016 #99
I think you missed the point of my OP. davidthegnome Mar 2016 #100
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