2016 Postmortem

tazkcmo

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46. You just said they were the same.

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:22 AM

Mar 2016

Not me, you. They are not the same. Snowden leaked clearly marked classified information and is facing the conscequences of that now. There is no real investigation going because Snowden himself admits to doing what he did. Sec Clinton has moved the goal posts a few times and currently it sits at "No laws were broken." and that's just not true.

"people who think mishandling an email or two in the end should involve the FBI and openly support such on a so called progressive board."

Good attempt at deflection. She herself may not have mishandled "an email or two", it's much bigger than that but I don't expect a Sec Clinton supporter to accept this. As for openly supporting an FBI investigation, I don't see support (but I don't support Sec Clinton) I see worry that this has the real potential of handing the WH to the GOP depending on the findings and timing of the report.

As for progressives, Madam Secretary is no progressive in spite of what she may say this week or next as she'll claim just the opposite later. So why should she get support from progressives at all?

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The Chaos Scenario For Democrats [View all] Purveyor Mar 2016 OP

Don't get your hopes up. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #1

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO DU ? Trust Buster Mar 2016 #2

FBI's fault RobertEarl Mar 2016 #5

Gee. Purveyor's been on DU since I can remember. Octafish Mar 2016 #6

I have a right to my own opinion. I shared it. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #9

That's the point. Octafish Mar 2016 #22

You use the term "denigrate" while I choose to use the term "disagree". Trust Buster Mar 2016 #24

I use the terms censor and head in the sand. leveymg Mar 2016 #47

Spare me the insults. I censored no one. I shared my opinion. I'm done with this back and forth. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #48

Great question. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #8

The FBI has an actual investigation nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #10

Seems like the 1990's to me. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #11

The FBI is not Republican appointed. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #26

Its not different enough, this is a bullshit ass'd scandal of nothing.................again uponit7771 Mar 2016 #29

No, it's not. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #33

So what, if it was "mishandleed" that in and of itself is a bullshit scandal seeing information gets uponit7771 Mar 2016 #34

Snowden ok? tazkcmo Mar 2016 #37

OK with Sanders supporters not HRC, Snowden refuses to face the music and that's OK to uponit7771 Mar 2016 #40

You just said they were the same. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #46

You really shouldn't have mentioned Snowden; his situation doesn't illustrate your point well. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #53

yes it does, he out right stole data he was allowed access to and gave it to the Chinese media aka uponit7771 Mar 2016 #67

She might have put peoples 840high Mar 2016 #85

it's about more than what you say, even. nt grasswire Mar 2016 #87

And when the impeachment attempt was over, Starr collected all the evidence Samantha Mar 2016 #88

It's all they got left. Beacool Mar 2016 #77

If you read the article from the Hill that was linked in the OP, the speculation bbgrunt Mar 2016 #86

If Hillary won and were forced to drop out I think Sanders would run. kristopher Mar 2016 #93

2 judges and 150 FBI agents. 840high Mar 2016 #78

It's been infiltrated ... salinsky Mar 2016 #107

Both Republicans and Sanders Supporters are hoping for this SFnomad Mar 2016 #3

What it tells me is that everybody other than Hillary supporters knows she's corrupt BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #39

Not hoping at all, just worried she may have pushed the envelope too far. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #14

Sanders Supporter tazkcmo Mar 2016 #27

yeap uponit7771 Mar 2016 #30

If a candidate is loathed from all sides, maybe she is just flawed? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #122

What does it say about Sanders SFnomad Mar 2016 #123

I've been recently re-reading the books I have about the Republican's Clinton attack machine Trust Buster Mar 2016 #7

If this would happen Trenzalore Mar 2016 #12

Wouldn't be Gore I don't think but Biden is on the 'warming Purveyor Mar 2016 #16

Kerry is a possibility as well Trenzalore Mar 2016 #19

I take Kerry over Biden in a heartbeat... eom Purveyor Mar 2016 #20

Oh Really? Pray tell! 2banon Mar 2016 #58

I highly doubt Trenzalore Mar 2016 #61

I'm puzzled by that logic? Seems highly illegal to me. 2banon Mar 2016 #63

If Hillary wins the nomination Trenzalore Mar 2016 #66

I see now. You think the delegates would risk their future elections 2banon Mar 2016 #68

If he finishes in a distant second place? Trenzalore Mar 2016 #69

Indeed! Why isn't a stronger candidate in the primary race to begin with? 2banon Mar 2016 #70

I don't think HRC will be indicted, so don't think this will happen, but I do think they would karynnj Mar 2016 #108

I've never held the idea that she's about to be indicted, I'd be quite surprised. However 2banon Mar 2016 #117

Those are the questions I have had karynnj Mar 2016 #119

Bingo. I agree with that assessment.. as incredibly short sighted on the establishment's part. 2banon Mar 2016 #120

Consider this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #103

The last gasp of a dying campaign... SidDithers Mar 2016 #13

.. Purveyor Mar 2016 #17

lol uponit7771 Mar 2016 #31

More like baldguy Mar 2016 #95

Desperation makes for confused thinking, MineralMan Mar 2016 #15

Republicans will certainly put pressure on the FBI to not go easy on Hillary AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #18

last gasp I suppose DrDan Mar 2016 #21

We should also worry about what will happen if she is hit by lightning. DCBob Mar 2016 #23

I agree with you actually. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #36

The Justice department will release its report I assume sometime in the next few months. DCBob Mar 2016 #41

Half right. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #42

Oh I agree.. she did violate rules and regs.. but not to the level of a crime. DCBob Mar 2016 #44

Sorry, Bob. Wrong you are again. She sent 104 classified messages over an u ncertified system leveymg Mar 2016 #49

Only if she did it knowingly and willfully and there is no evidence of that. DCBob Mar 2016 #51

intent isn't necessary to conviction under those parts of Sec 793 leveymg Mar 2016 #54

Yes it is. DCBob Mar 2016 #55

You obviously haven't read the statute. leveymg Mar 2016 #56

Sure. DCBob Mar 2016 #57

Those two sections don't seem to apply here: COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #65

By placing it on an unauthorized server she had unauthorized possession leveymg Mar 2016 #73

Where did you go to Law School? COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #74

I don't see why you have to insult a colleague. grasswire Mar 2016 #90

From the reply I responded to I seriously doubt COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #94

you know nothing about that poster and yet you insult again. grasswire Mar 2016 #98

I must have missed the posting that appointed you arbiter COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #100

rude AND snide grasswire Mar 2016 #118

You apparently haven't read the case law and don't work in the field. CRS and FAS on the subject: leveymg Mar 2016 #97

So the answer is that you're not an attorney. COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #99

I'd love to discuss this with you at length. COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #101

Just discuss the issues, openly, or don't. leveymg Mar 2016 #110

Not interested in validating your fantasies of playing lawyer. COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #111

I don't get the impression you have anything to say on the subject. leveymg Mar 2016 #112

You shouldn't. Bye. nt COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #113

Funny, not a single HRC advocate willing to actually engage on the issues. leveymg Mar 2016 #114

Glad someone is so sure rjsquirrel Mar 2016 #64

Chaos coming at some point is a real possibility mmonk Mar 2016 #25

Its sad when a democratic campaign has to pin its hopes of victory workinclasszero Mar 2016 #28

You seem to be a soothsayer. While it will mmonk Mar 2016 #32

Doesn't have to be, what we see right now in support of the investigation is some sad shit uponit7771 Mar 2016 #35

The fuckin republicans have been workinclasszero Mar 2016 #38

The FBI is not a Republican appointment. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #43

When your candidate is behind 846 to 1172 and fading fast.... workinclasszero Mar 2016 #45

We're not clutching - the FBI is. 840high Mar 2016 #83

What are the lies? Please be specific and provide links. leveymg Mar 2016 #50

Do your own homework workinclasszero Mar 2016 #62

It's sad that we have 840high Mar 2016 #82

Emails, and transcripts, and ... salinsky Mar 2016 #102

If the Republicans have any control over this they will wait until it's too late for Dems Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #52

It'll never be too late, because the stakes are too high. HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #59

Exactly. So obvious that's the plan. 2banon Mar 2016 #60

Yes, I'm sure the playbook is written. grasswire Mar 2016 #89

If Clinton wins the nomination, she will NEVER step aside. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #71

I had to chuckle at this toon... Purveyor Mar 2016 #72

lol 840high Mar 2016 #84

perish the thought! Hiraeth Mar 2016 #76

If, as is predicted by former Attorneys General... grasswire Mar 2016 #92

Bernie deepestblue Mar 2016 #75

This is so not going to happen MFM008 Mar 2016 #79

error in the second paragraph grasswire Mar 2016 #80

I keep seeing articles on my FB wall (not a friend) saying that FBI is going to bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #81

Well...they were right about Demi and Kutcher...nt artislife Mar 2016 #91

well, you should unlike Daily Caller and Fox News then nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #105

ANYTHING that separates Hillary Clinton from this presidential nomination John Poet Mar 2016 #96

ANYTHING? Please proceed nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #106

clap, clap, clap louder for the Indictment Fairy!!!! nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #104

Oh I hope I'm still around and the first one to post the Purveyor Mar 2016 #109

we ought to make a jackpot for the one who is first nt grasswire Mar 2016 #115

lol. I'm in.... Purveyor Mar 2016 #116

Meanwhile FBI tells Apple to never mind, they've got that 4-digit passcode under control. ucrdem Mar 2016 #121