2016 Postmortem

Fawke Em

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85. "Our government servers get hacked on a regular basis."

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:20 PM

Mar 2016

Yes - but only those with outward-facing servers.

Servers like SIPRnet and JWICS do NOT face out. You cannot email from them. They are insular and very protected. And they are NOT hacked. You know what's kept there? National security secrets. The OPM's server, for example, doesn't house national security secrets. It's sad that the employees had their information stolen, but the information the hackers garnered doesn't put the nation at risk.

You know what's been found on Hillary's server? Emails containing information that had been physically copied (typed up) from SIPRnet and sent, unencrypted, to Hillary on a server that didn't even use a dual authentication VPN and could be pinged directly from the Internet.

Sorry, but the "the government is hacked all the time" meme needs to die. Our government does not keep the nation's secrets on servers that can be hacked with the exception of, well, Hillary Clinton.

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So why did SoS Clinton have a system set up outside [View all] mmonk Mar 2016 OP

Well, she didn't do it to compromise our security. That's what matters. Hoyt Mar 2016 #1

I know a guy who didn't drive drunk to hurt someone tk2kewl Mar 2016 #12

Except Clinton didn't hurt anyone. I get the email deal is your last desperate hope Hoyt Mar 2016 #21

So by your logic drunk driving is ok as long as no one gets hurt tk2kewl Mar 2016 #26

Look man, I'm tired of this junk with you guys. I'm not talking about friggin drunk drivers, Hoyt Mar 2016 #54

Just sad. libtodeath Mar 2016 #67

the laws are for little people, I guess tk2kewl Mar 2016 #71

To those of us who work in cyber security, this is NOT "trumped up crud." Fawke Em Mar 2016 #77

The biggest problem facing the country today is more people believe it's nothing cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #83

Maybe you are a bit biased because of the source of your income. If classified Hoyt Mar 2016 #100

you are sadly using old talking points and not up to speed. grasswire Mar 2016 #104

Like you aren't using "talking points." Even your candidate says the email deal is BS. Hoyt Mar 2016 #117

Here is a news flash fer ya nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #119

Nadin, it's only serious in Sanders' and Trumps' supporters minds. Glad to know you are more astute Hoyt Mar 2016 #122

You ignore the FBI and the IGs... at your peril nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #124

Sounds like you have been reading too much Judge Napolitano. Hoyt Mar 2016 #132

Nope sounds like I have been reading nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #137

no, he didn't grasswire Mar 2016 #127

Anything to terminate Hillary's campaign Dem2 Mar 2016 #99

Some of us are talking of nothing serious nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #110

Thanks nadin. 840high Mar 2016 #113

"Suspicions" -- LMAO, from whom? Even Sanders said the email issue is BS. Saw him right there on TV Hoyt Mar 2016 #120

the idiots at NSA, and at least a couple of the the Inspector Generals nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #121

We'll know soon enough. Of course, when she is not indicted or anything else, you will rack it up Hoyt Mar 2016 #123

Given they extended this from December, when it was supposed to be done nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #126

LOL :) insta8er Mar 2016 #125

Sanders will continue to chip away at Hillary's shaky support, regardless of the damned e-mails. reformist2 Mar 2016 #49

That was the first thing that came to my mind as well... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #23

You know this how? libtodeath Mar 2016 #66

You think she's a spy for Russia, ISIS or something? You guys crack me up. Hoyt Mar 2016 #118

Like buying a golden bathtub. To flaunt her power and wealth. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #2

^THIS^ is the truth, right here. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #24

Maybe she's a Russian spy. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #3

I know you are kidding nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #111

To keep the All-Powerful DU too busy arguing among ourselves to avoid the oncoming Fascist takeover. randome Mar 2016 #4

She learned sneaky cleverness treestar Mar 2016 #116

Didin't want anyone watching the deals she was Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #5

Good question. mmonk Mar 2016 #7

I vote for this Hydra Mar 2016 #11

If so, it backfired spectacularly becoming a story on its own karynnj Mar 2016 #19

The Clintons practically live the mantra of "It seemed like a good idea at the time..." Hydra Mar 2016 #33

That sounds plausible. Gregorian Mar 2016 #17

plus communicating with blumenthal noiretextatique Mar 2016 #18

+10 million! So obvious along with her pay to play going on with the Foundation nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #43

.+1 840high Mar 2016 #114

+1 nt snappyturtle Mar 2016 #30

This seems the most likely to me, based on what we've seen so far. nt vintx Mar 2016 #41

There it is, right there! HassleCat Mar 2016 #61

That doesn't make sense gwheezie Mar 2016 #82

ay.. yup!! n/t dana_b Mar 2016 #88

Probably a lot bigger than that. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #109

Excellent answer. 840high Mar 2016 #115

^^^This^^^ eom farleftlib Mar 2016 #140

To avoid FOIL requests UglyGreed Mar 2016 #6

It is good for that. mmonk Mar 2016 #8

Probably on the advice of Kissenger tk2kewl Mar 2016 #13

FOIA Requests, and yes, I agree that this was the main reason. Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #51

I'm sorry in NYS UglyGreed Mar 2016 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #9

This is becoming more and more obvious NWCorona Mar 2016 #34

Seems to me that replies 5, 6 and 9 aren't mutually exclusive HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #37

+1,000,000 eom dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #53

Maybe speaktruthtopower Mar 2016 #10

Just as Bill answered in 2004 about Lewinsky when he did book tours, "because she could" karynnj Mar 2016 #14

A tough situation. mmonk Mar 2016 #28

Why are Democrats propagating a Republican invented scandal against a Democrat? GreydeeThos Mar 2016 #15

is the FBI a republican group? noiretextatique Mar 2016 #20

The origin of the email controversy is the Republicans in the House of Representatives GreydeeThos Mar 2016 #29

No, the origin of the controversy is HIllary Clinton... Human101948 Mar 2016 #36

And the origin of discovering the stained blue dress was Hillary's desire to withhold information. frylock Mar 2016 #63

Look! Over there - Its a red herring. GreydeeThos Mar 2016 #73

If Hillary had just compliied with the request for those law firm papers.. frylock Mar 2016 #74

Yea, the dress was a hit job on Bill Clinton GreydeeThos Mar 2016 #76

So did the VRWC use mind control to get Bill to not have sexual relations with that woman? frylock Mar 2016 #78

Let's see GreydeeThos Mar 2016 #79

The common denominator is Hillary and her inability to comply with simple requests. frylock Mar 2016 #87

The FBI isn't investigating Clinton they're investigating the SoS serverS, this is so beneeth folk uponit7771 Mar 2016 #138

I asked a question based on the fact of the system created. mmonk Mar 2016 #31

And yet you still fall for it. baldguy Mar 2016 #42

Fall for reality? It does exist. Are you saying it doesn't? mmonk Mar 2016 #50

RW propaganda is not reality. baldguy Mar 2016 #60

They did not create another server system. mmonk Mar 2016 #62

Yes, they did use private emails. baldguy Mar 2016 #65

Whooossshhh.. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #80

"Whooossshhh" indeed. baldguy Mar 2016 #134

I didn't ask about emails. mmonk Mar 2016 #135

You're promoting a RW agenda insisting that Clinton conform to a standard of conduct baldguy Mar 2016 #139

Serious? They've applied to everyone involved. mmonk Mar 2016 #141

Where are the transcripts of Powell being grilled by a Congressional committee for 11 hours? baldguy Mar 2016 #143

I have to agree. One of the 99 Mar 2016 #45

Nope. Republican witch hunts may have poisoned the well... RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #84

So Sad that you're believing GOP propaganda. One of the 99 Mar 2016 #142

One can only wonder why so many DUers uncritically support corporatist Broward Mar 2016 #58

So Bill could look over her shoulder? Gregorian Mar 2016 #16

So no incriminating public records are left. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #22

the nightmare scenario AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #103

Initially, because the NSA said she could not have a secure Blackberry like POTUS KeepItReal Mar 2016 #25

Convenience and control. DCBob Mar 2016 #27

You would allow hackers to get into your private server and view national secrets? Fawke Em Mar 2016 #81

In case you were not aware, there are ways to block hackers. DCBob Mar 2016 #96

We don't know that for sure. 840high Mar 2016 #128

Well then, that settles it. LOL libdem4life Mar 2016 #86

Actually, the FBI report will settle it. DCBob Mar 2016 #94

Thanks for that bit of info...we agree...the FBI will settle it. libdem4life Mar 2016 #98

Any IT professional knows that a system can be hacked and log entries wouldn't show it. nt DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #131

She could always have a Blackberry. Rice had a blackberry. She was always allowed Recursion Mar 2016 #32

Did you ever move from one job to another that meant you needed to change your technology? karynnj Mar 2016 #44

Because our government was/is unprepared for the digital revolution. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #35

However, shouldn't her response have been to demand more changes in the SD system? karynnj Mar 2016 #46

The email bullshit is nothing but political. It's RW propaganda designed solely to attack a Democrat baldguy Mar 2016 #47

There is saying that includes a sex act and a chicken... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #59

You really think 2 judges, FBI are rw? 840high Mar 2016 #129

"Our government servers get hacked on a regular basis." Fawke Em Mar 2016 #85

Hillary was the most traveled Secretary of State in U.S. history. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #91

Because when you are preparing for a global crime spree FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #38

^^^ LOL! True. RiverLover Mar 2016 #108

Apparently, the road to the Presidency is paved with "He/She did it first!" cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #52

Death throes of a dying campaign. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #40

Libya. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #48

Possibly.... peace13 Mar 2016 #55

They are light. mmonk Mar 2016 #101

The server was set up so that FoIA requests would return the answer, 'We have no records'. w4rma Mar 2016 #56

FOIA requests is why I believe she set up an outside system. Autumn Mar 2016 #57

Yes, I believe that to be a reason. mmonk Mar 2016 #64

Because she and people like her, thin they are above the rules that apply to everyone else. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #69

It was a deliberate effort to frustrate the Freedom of Information Act. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #70

I can answer this. It was to be able to make business deals with and for wealthy private interests Zorra Mar 2016 #72

concise and pertinent. grasswire Mar 2016 #105

Because 9/11 FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #75

Paganini was not offered immunity for a day in the park. He was her IT guy. libdem4life Mar 2016 #89

yep nt grasswire Mar 2016 #106

because govt procurement is BACKWARD. slow, low power. pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #92

CONTROL. jalan48 Mar 2016 #93

Not quite unplaced paranoia with the RW nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #95

Yep. mmonk Mar 2016 #102

hey, the wealth of the world is at stake here grasswire Mar 2016 #107

I am not willing to go down that road nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #112

History will not be kind to the Clintons tough. DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #133

History will not be kind nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #136

Yes. 840high Mar 2016 #130

Delete, deflect, plausible deniability. OZi Mar 2016 #97