The Bernie or Bust blackmail is not going to work.

[Rebkeh]

131. Okay, let's clarify where you clearly don't understand

1. It's not about pushing to the left, it's about preserving the left. As it stands, with all this rigging, leftward principles are all but gone. We don't buy the illusion of democracy, that's all. This is a moral issue about principles and core values. The center is not where the answer lies, it's where we lose.

2. We agree here: "The political reality is that there's a constant push and pull, and all victories, small or large are hard-fought. - What you misunderstand is that there is no longer a pushing when we don't adhere to our principles. Eventually, later than sooner, I hope, the right will pull us over and topple the whole thing. The anti-Trump vote is not necessarily only on the left, it's also on the right. Adding to the reality that unless Bernie wins the primary, Trump will destroy the democratic party right along with his own. We are not the ones being naive here.

3. We agree here, where we don't agree is that the so called inevitable candidate (another illusion we aren't buying) facilitates a GOP victory anyway. Even if the Democrats win the general, they will lose the moral high ground. It's not like a football game, it's more like tug-of-war. It's no "win" if half the party is in the mud. Too much is at stake.

It's like there is stuff on the surface slowly moving to the left, small things. Meanwhile the foundation, the reality under the surface is lurching right. It's unstable and unsustainable. And dangerous, the solution is far less painful than the problem. It's a change course or jump ship scenario here.

I am not saying I will not vote for the democratic candidate, but I wholeheartedly support the rights of other lefties to vote their conscience. They obviously see more than most and I respect their right to defy the people that rigged the system and helped create this mess in the first place. Scaring us into acquiescence is not going to work anymore, the 90's are over.