2016 Postmortem

Waiting For Everyman

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31. Me too, CC. It's the year of the fallen icons.

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:48 PM

Mar 2016

I didn't know it was this bad either. What I see now is a very extensive web of corruption, which corrupts new people immediately with few exceptions.

What this election has also showed us is who those exceptions are. It's very enlightening. I'm donating in a small way to a few of them now, and I kntend to keep doing it as much as possible for the foreseeable future.

I hope, come what may, that Bernie will continue to be a hub around which they can form a new anti-corruption contingent, to be an alternative to the corrupt Establishment. He has shown a different path and mechanism that can work. I think that's very hopeful.

That's good, because the fallen icons are very depressing. It's a sad sight. If any of them had any real integrity, they would have come forward and blown the whistle on the "carrots and sticks" instead of giving in to it.

The article referred to in the video above:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/hillary-clinton-hit-list-102067

The fiancing of the "carrots and sticks" (buying lots of people costs a lot):
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-2016-election

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I always knew that Hillary had it in her [View all] CoffeeCat Mar 2016 OP

ask bernie for an f35. he will do anything for the MIC if they will put an f35 in Vermont nt msongs Mar 2016 #1

I don't see Bernie helping the neocons decimate Libya CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #3

+1,000,000 eom dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #37

This is about Hillary being a neocon. Nothing else. Dawgs Mar 2016 #4

That's why I will never understand it CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #10

They tell us all the time that we aren't real democrats. Punkingal Mar 2016 #20

Me too. dchill Mar 2016 #26

Sorry... Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #7

You criticize him for not being dumb enough to Vattel Mar 2016 #14

precisely what did Bernie do for the MIC? grasswire Mar 2016 #36

Clinton's vote helped kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children and you want to rhett o rick Mar 2016 #94

Ask Bernie why he didn't run for President 25 years ago and challenge Bill R B Garr Mar 2016 #2

I'm just glad that Bernie is running now. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #5

Well, that figures. Plenty of irrational hatred R B Garr Mar 2016 #47

What in fuck sake are you talking about? pangaia Mar 2016 #55

LMAO, the Berniebro repertoire in its full glory! R B Garr Mar 2016 #63

No, what you forgot was to read what the thread is about and respond to it. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #65

Thanks for the support. pangaia Mar 2016 #69

Your weakness is a compulsion to parade your supposed superiority... Human101948 Mar 2016 #126

I atually AM superior to most others. pangaia Mar 2016 #127

Your spelling could use a bit of work... Human101948 Mar 2016 #128

Look at my sig.. :>))) pangaia Mar 2016 #129

Superior sloppiness! Human101948 Mar 2016 #131

Eh, you're no fun at all. pangaia Mar 2016 #133

Ah, yes, Democrats often refer to other Democrats as "dirty birds" R B Garr Mar 2016 #112

And once again, you are reduced to name calling. Pathetic. nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #111

The Bernie bandwagon has made its own bed with regard to their online R B Garr Mar 2016 #114

And you are certainly making yours. nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #120

Oh, You too. nt R B Garr Mar 2016 #121

The only way to change a political climate that you don't like is to fight back n/t eridani Mar 2016 #96

Are you a neocon and do you always support neocons? Dawgs Mar 2016 #6

No, the response is that Bernie is just an R B Garr Mar 2016 #41

an answer DonCoquixote Mar 2016 #51

That's an excuse, not an answer, but R B Garr Mar 2016 #61

Is that all you people have? change the subject. GOD, it is so Rovian. A.D.D. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #66

You too, and all always make it personal. Just look at R B Garr Mar 2016 #76

pretzel logic DonCoquixote Mar 2016 #79

In 1992, Bernie was only in his first term as a US Congressman. Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #90

Well that's a lame response n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #13

welcome to ignore. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #23

Aw, but I did like your other screen name R B Garr Mar 2016 #44

Psst ... Trajan Mar 2016 #27

Who cares. R B Garr Mar 2016 #42

I won't put you on ignore... dchill Mar 2016 #28

The little game of silencing Clinton supporters R B Garr Mar 2016 #43

silencing DonCoquixote Mar 2016 #81

You are kidding, right? Those "folks" don't do any thinking. Go ahead, put on ignore. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #67

I think you may be right. dchill Mar 2016 #80

The shared superiority complex of the Bernie supporters just cracks me up. R B Garr Mar 2016 #107

Ridiculous comment. KPN Mar 2016 #75

Right, only irrational Clinton hatred allowed... R B Garr Mar 2016 #77

Opposition to war-mongering neoconservative foreign policies John Poet Mar 2016 #86

I'm sorry, this is absurd. No one reads anyone's mind. Rhetoric. libdem4life Mar 2016 #88

In the context of this nasty OP filled with irrational R B Garr Mar 2016 #89

Whatevs. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #102

The question "why didn't Bernie run for President 25 years ago and challenge Bill" is a ladjf Mar 2016 #105

Thanks for the polite response, but it's really not that shallow of a question R B Garr Mar 2016 #108

I appreciate your sharing more ideas that backed your initial post's position. ladjf Mar 2016 #109

Oh, I presumed as much about your position. Of course my initial comment R B Garr Mar 2016 #110

I just viewed a clip of Bernie's interview with Cenk of the Young Turks. ladjf Mar 2016 #113

I bet I've heard it all before. He's a broken record. R B Garr Mar 2016 #115

I've heard numerous speeches and interviews by Bernie and felt that ladjf Mar 2016 #116

Speeches don't mean action, and Bernie has taken none until it suited him R B Garr Mar 2016 #118

LOL: "7 replies," and I can't see any of them. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #8

Indeed! DU is starting to feel like a site for grown-ups again. arcane1 Mar 2016 #15

Total lost cause CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #16

The problem is Bill got bored. He went from being one of the most IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #9

I think the Clintons turned hard right much earlier than after the Clinton Presidency BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #24

Way before that. . . . start a list of all the HORRIBLE bills he signed that ruined the country pdsimdars Mar 2016 #68

They were ALWAYS ready for the bandwagon. dchill Mar 2016 #29

K & R AzDar Mar 2016 #11

Another anti-Democrat thread. We get it, you hate Hillary and really don't like Democrats. leftofcool Mar 2016 #12

On the contrary CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #17

I HAVE met Hillary Clinton. pangaia Mar 2016 #56

Likewise Carolina Mar 2016 #136

Obviously you "get" fuck-all. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #19

Care to comment on Hillary being a neocon? Dawgs Mar 2016 #22

Personally, I love President Obama. I just can't stand Hillary. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #34

Why not try to answer the complaint about the rampant John Poet Mar 2016 #85

Only since "Democrat" came to mean "the OTHER corporate suck-up warmongering party". Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #104

We have entered The Great Awakening. Because internet. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #18

I sense that we are in the process of building something CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #21

Better believe it. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #25

the dawning of the age of Aquarius? grasswire Mar 2016 #33

Absolutely! FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #39

It is a transformational time marions ghost Mar 2016 #35

No truth shall remain hidden in this time. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #40

Sounds good to me marions ghost Mar 2016 #45

Some have said we are revisiting the issues of the 1960's early 70's. KoKo Mar 2016 #54

It feels like round 2 all right marions ghost Mar 2016 #57

The epoch we are leaving is the Age of Pisces, The Fish. It began around the birth of the Christ FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #60

...! I've learned to never discount... KoKo Mar 2016 #70

That is the sad truth. She calls herself a Democrat but she is authoritarian neocon. thereismore Mar 2016 #30

Me too, CC. It's the year of the fallen icons. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #31

yes, even some Dems who have nothing to gain by her candidacy... grasswire Mar 2016 #32

Exposing Hillary is not allowed snowy owl Mar 2016 #38

Of course she knew. PNAC's agenda was well known to anyone in politics polly7 Mar 2016 #46

another example of McCarthyism: unsupported charges & demonization of HRC and her suppporters Bill USA Mar 2016 #48

The Rabid Right is for single payer health care? On what planet? eridani Mar 2016 #98

Amusing, you bring up "McCarthyism"-- VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #123

Bash Bash Bash Bash... The electorate isn't buying this nonsense. DanTex Mar 2016 #49

Don't be so sad - Bernie is catching up and is our best weapon against Donald Dump lagomorph777 Mar 2016 #50

VOTE FOR BERNIE! ViseGrip Mar 2016 #52

So why are asuhornets Mar 2016 #53

Just like the GOP, all you Hillary supporters only seem to be here to counter everything pdsimdars Mar 2016 #71

All I hear from asuhornets Mar 2016 #72

Your words: asuhornets Mar 2016 #117

For single payer health care, an end to the War on Some Drugs, for expanding Social Security eridani Mar 2016 #99

The Democrat leadership has been supporting neocons WDIM Mar 2016 #58

Especially when she was offered briefs on the situation... And ignored 'em. nt VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #124

Because the great god of our time is Fear, and too many people Voice for Peace Mar 2016 #59

...! Every terrorist attack brings "Shock & Awe" and The People KoKo Mar 2016 #64

Anti-war activism is simply not needed anymore Kotze Mar 2016 #62

Thanks for your contribution! Wednesdays Mar 2016 #73

Amen to that. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #82

Some will never understand it because they don't get it and don't want too BlueStateLib Mar 2016 #74

I am as dismayed and astounded as you are on this. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #78

A neocon is as a neocon votes. John Poet Mar 2016 #83

Let's just tell the truth, here... John Poet Mar 2016 #84

Many people arent taking this to the final possible outcome DJ13 Mar 2016 #87

I love this post because it touches a profound sadness that so many of us feel in our hearts. nt JudyM Mar 2016 #91

100% agree with you Coffee! Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #92

Kagan didn't endorse her BainsBane Mar 2016 #93

^^ MOST RIGHTEOUS SMACKDOWN EVAH ucrdem Mar 2016 #95

Yay Wall Street. Yay war n/t eridani Mar 2016 #100

Kagan did endorse Hillary Clinton--He can't get enough of Hillary Clinton CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #125

I do know Hillary has it in her to sell us all out in one term, It won't take two like it took Bill TumbleAndJumble Mar 2016 #97

PNAC = Pure Evil LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #101

She lost me with her Iraq vote Sky Masterson Mar 2016 #103

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #106

This may be the election that redefines the parties. The Democrats may evolve into the party of the Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #119

good post, CoffeeCat...you really energized the Third Way Response Team with this one... islandmkl Mar 2016 #122

What a sick post. When Bill said not to Iraq, 9/11 had not happened. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #132

I thought Democrats were Carolina Mar 2016 #134

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