2016 Postmortem

timmymoff

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32. Therein lies the problem

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:16 PM

Mar 2016

If you support Hillary, you aren't progressive, so please stop telling us how we should be doing things. I do not need advice from someone who is willing to sell out democratic principles for an election win in one office and disastrous results down ticket. Right now the democratic party in my area is begging our Bernie group to join them. Why? We kicked her ass in our county by +5000 . Pretty bad when a rag tag group of individuals can outperform a party that's existed for over a hundred years here. I'm not interested in joining the cesspool of democratic principles gone by, instead we will form our own thing and you guys can continue with your right of Rockefeller republican stances. I want no part of a party not willing to fight for the people.

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How the Democratic Party Establishment Suffocates Progressive Change [View all] Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 OP

sometimes the easiest explanation is the correct one ibegurpard Mar 2016 #1

"I'm a registered Democrat and a Rockefeller Republican ... where that will get me, I'm not sure yet think Mar 2016 #2

The Third Way/DLC "Play" Is To Persuade Rank And File To FOCUS on Social Rather Than Economic CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #23

just like the republicans do.... Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #61

Actually I think a lot of the Third Way/DLC/"New" Democrats dflprincess Mar 2016 #27

The current Democratic Party is a big tent with the right-centrists being the bullies AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #3

Silly. We have two progressives currently vying for the nomination. DanTex Mar 2016 #4

uh....wrong choie Mar 2016 #8

Clinton is as progressive as Nixon. No I take that back she isn't as progressive as Nixon. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #11

The two are running on remarkably similar platforms, and voted the same 90+% of the time. DanTex Mar 2016 #14

Her "grasp" on foreign has cost thousands of lives. I gave you a list of issues where they rhett o rick Mar 2016 #16

She made a bad vote, I agree. DanTex Mar 2016 #17

So let's talk about her "pay-offs". Do you deny that she has taken money from banksters for her rhett o rick Mar 2016 #50

You're accusing her of bribery with zero evidence. You're also conflating individual campaign DanTex Mar 2016 #51

And you are ignoring quid pro quo. The Clintons have amassed $150,000,000 rhett o rick Mar 2016 #53

You have no evidence of quid pro quo, whatsoever. It's all insinuation. DanTex Mar 2016 #56

To pretend that quid pro quo doesn't exist is denial. Sadly rhett o rick Mar 2016 #58

I didn't say it doesn't exist anywhere, I said there's not a trace of evidence that it exists DanTex Mar 2016 #59

As soon as you say that stating she accepts payoffs from banksters DQ's you ... you are DQ'd. Scuba Mar 2016 #52

Umm, she doesn't accept "pay offs", that's a dishonest smear. DanTex Mar 2016 #54

What do you call all that dough? The fruits of her labor? Bwahaaaahaaaa. Scuba Mar 2016 #55

"Bwahaha" is a poor substitute for substance. This is why Hillary is winning. DanTex Mar 2016 #57

HIllary is temporarily ahead in come areas becauwse Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #62

LOL. Rigged in her favor. Temporarily ahead. Y'all crack me up. DanTex Mar 2016 #64

Amen Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #63

Oh DanTex, not even close. Karma13612 Mar 2016 #18

The fact that you're accusing her of stealing his platform goes to show how DanTex Mar 2016 #19

He wants to tax speculation on Wall Street to pay for college educations. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #66

Meh, you hate her, and so you misrepresent her platform in order to smear her. DanTex Mar 2016 #68

Nice try. I don't hate her, I hate those that put corporate profits ahead of the lives rhett o rick Mar 2016 #69

So why do you misrepresent her positions so badly? DanTex Mar 2016 #70

Your argument lacks substance. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #74

THat's the point Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #67

Very good point! eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #75

No, not even close timmymoff Mar 2016 #30

Bash bash bash. Doesn't it get boring? DanTex Mar 2016 #36

Do you deny timmymoff Mar 2016 #37

It's mostly false, at best misleading. At this point I'm used to it from the fringe left. DanTex Mar 2016 #39

No timmymoff Mar 2016 #41

Like I said, mostly false, at best cherry-picked and misleading. DanTex Mar 2016 #43

She's the nominee? timmymoff Mar 2016 #45

Clinton isn't progressive in the least bit. You know that. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #71

They won't be able to stop it for much longer. The "centrists" will be dead from old age, soon. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #5

Protip; people drift to the center as they age Tarc Mar 2016 #6

ProTip: That's not the rule anymore. And "centrists" aren't moderates. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #7

You'll find out soon enough Tarc Mar 2016 #9

No. I promise that I'll never support someone like Clinton in any primary election, anywhere. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #10

Will you be leaving the Democratic Underground when Hillary wins the nomination? Tarc Mar 2016 #21

Yeah just look at that rightward drift... Atmosk Mar 2016 #49

Hillary is to the Right of Bush and McCain on many issues Lorien Mar 2016 #15

Only Some People noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #12

But they can only loot our resources so much. Then what does capitalism have in store for them? rhett o rick Mar 2016 #13

THis? Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #65

Generally because they are more comfortable in life... astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #77

I used to think the same about the Republican party Zira Mar 2016 #73

Lessons From Obama 2008 colsohlibgal Mar 2016 #20

We must "surface the obstruction posed by the Democratic Party establishment..." pat_k Mar 2016 #22

The disgruntled left sufficates its own movement ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #24

Progressivism isn't going to lose Atmosk Mar 2016 #25

You may be right, but the planet cannot wait that long. eom sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #29

It might have to Atmosk Mar 2016 #48

Progressivism might win due to demographics. forjusticethunders Mar 2016 #60

Great article, nt. Broward Mar 2016 #26

You know how you get progressive change? You join the party and work at the lowest level and build upaloopa Mar 2016 #28

Jesus was an early democratic socialist,and sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #31

I know Bernie, Jesus, FDR, Gandhi all are in the same club upaloopa Mar 2016 #33

Therein lies the problem timmymoff Mar 2016 #32

Don't define us! upaloopa Mar 2016 #34

Your vote and support is defining you. timmymoff Mar 2016 #35

In your mind which means little to anyone upaloopa Mar 2016 #38

Seems to be roughly 45% timmymoff Mar 2016 #40

why don't you write me a long rambling critique and if I have some time maybe I'll read it. upaloopa Mar 2016 #42

We do? timmymoff Mar 2016 #44

enough upaloopa Mar 2016 #46

I agree timmymoff Mar 2016 #47

Like Hillary, the establisment has a lot of "experience"...at protecting the establishment. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #72

OMG....This Donkey is what "This Dem" felt like when Rahm kicked us Liberals in the Teeth after KoKo Mar 2016 #76