2016 Postmortem

redgreenandblue

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136. "using Black voices to advance their own agenda" is such a nebulous concept.

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:02 AM

Mar 2016

Any person who agrees with any other person on anything is doing that to some degree.

I get it: You and a couple of other African American DUers support Hillary Clinton.

But let me ask you this: When white DUers who agree with you in that regard cited you as a "black voice in favor of Hillary", did you feel used? I'm guessing the answer is no, because you have a common "agenda". I saw plenty of posts here along the lines of "I know that African Americans support Hillary because I talked to person XYZ". None of these ever drew any criticism. But when someone responds "yes, but Conell West and Killer Mike and others support Bernie", suddenly that is "waving someone around".

What I see is that citing someone else only ever becomes a problem when the person being spoken to doesn't share ones opinion.

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Black Millennials: "Hillary...invested in violence against Black bodies." [View all] thereismore Mar 2016 OP

Funny how you guys always find a black person to say the stuff you have been saying bravenak Mar 2016 #1

Lol, they would trot out Ben Carson & Herman Cane giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #2

They just keep going and going and going and... bravenak Mar 2016 #3

Oh have no fear. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #4

I'm sure he's right here bravenak Mar 2016 #6

So brave, serious question, not that I expect you to answer nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #28

Yes ,,, there were BLACK PEOPLE and Latinos and immigrants at the San Diego rally ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #75

My point is that she keeps ignoring that nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #76

No she doesn't ignore them ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #82

Relatively nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #84

LOL ... Yeah ... Okay. Did you use the "fox estimator"? 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #89

my estimate of the crowd after going though it was 15K nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #90

Okay ... I apologize for that ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #93

I am one of those pesky indies you will need in the fall nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #95

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #99

That is exactly how it looks from where I sit nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #101

Use some of your journalistic skills to actually read what we have been objecting to. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #104

You have been objecting to not treating a community as a lego block nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #105

Exactly and for the same reason ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #107

Alas it is you who is doing it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #110

Okay. Get back to work on your article 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #111

You, and she, really don't like "white progressives", do you? delrem Mar 2016 #174

Though I can't speak for "she", you are correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #175

You lie. Nobody truly supporting Bernie calls discussions of social equality "divisive". delrem Mar 2016 #177

I lie and you are quite simply full of ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #178

That person you quoted, does she agree lovemydog Mar 2016 #126

Do you really think DU is a subject of discussion in field interviews? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #143

That black person has as much right to voice their opinion as you do. nt Autumn Mar 2016 #16

And I have the right to call bullshit. bravenak Mar 2016 #17

You just object that they actually exist. Plenty of crap waved around on the other side also , Autumn Mar 2016 #20

Oh yeah right bravenak Mar 2016 #24

Then you need to call the police if you are being harassed and stalked. Autumn Mar 2016 #29

How bout people just stop obsessing over me to the point that they become out of control? bravenak Mar 2016 #43

You do know when you post on a message board people will respond to you? Autumn Mar 2016 #47

You still here? bravenak Mar 2016 #51

Oh hell yeah I'm still here. Autumn Mar 2016 #52

Well, I have to go. bravenak Mar 2016 #53

Have a nice day, and by that I mean have a nice day nt Autumn Mar 2016 #57

you like to piss people off,you laugh about it.your cruel ,and you want to believe you're wendylaroux Mar 2016 #55

Look at how funny bravenak Mar 2016 #58

She complaints of gettting stalked nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #63

She's a victim in her 840high Mar 2016 #94

Some of the stuff people have tried to put through in the paper are cruel nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #97

You called the police right? Arazi Mar 2016 #34

Dummy accounts bravenak Mar 2016 #40

You filed reports though? So its on record? Arazi Mar 2016 #45

I tried bravenak Mar 2016 #49

This woman is either free to express herself or she's being used... riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #100

Because the writer doesn't support Hillary she is accused of being used. Autumn Mar 2016 #103

I am debating, since I did not take a photo nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #112

Whut? So white people don't get to agree with black people, when those black people don't agree redgreenandblue Mar 2016 #27

I blame my lack of basic comprehension on others too. LanternWaste Mar 2016 #48

Yes, they can ... the right agrees with Armstrong Williams and Thomas Sowell, all the time ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #79

So... it boils down to black people not being a homogenous group. redgreenandblue Mar 2016 #124

No ... It boils down to white people using Black voices to advance their own agenda ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #135

"using Black voices to advance their own agenda" is such a nebulous concept. redgreenandblue Mar 2016 #136

Good point. The double standard is alive and well and even flaunted as if we are unaware. JudyM Mar 2016 #139

No. It's not ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #141

Interesting twist here ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #31

ZERO bravenak Mar 2016 #38

Zero ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #70

I'll say it again ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #74

Very true. OT, but I read a couple of Sowell's books ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #77

I've read a lot of Sowell's writings ... and he IS quite talented ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #88

Very good points ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #113

The Black voices that reach DU, posted by a segment of DU ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #114

About as high as the chances that anyone decent would actually recommend this thread Number23 Mar 2016 #117

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #118

They're easy to find because, contrary to the fiction you paint on DU, whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #61

Of course they exist? bravenak Mar 2016 #64

Varied voices are welcome in a democracy whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #65

Nothing wrong with me remarking on it bravenak Mar 2016 #66

True whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #67

Just wait. The black vote is not katsy Mar 2016 #72

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #129

So, you have nothing of substance to say about the issue noiretextatique Mar 2016 #137

Sorry to be off topic, but I like that song in your sig Ash_F Mar 2016 #170

Bernie Sander's voted against the Amber Alert Bill. Loki Mar 2016 #5

Found another one! thereismore Mar 2016 #11

You must really hate civil liberties and judicial power! TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #15

Thank you for providing the factual refutation of that particular smear. vintx Mar 2016 #106

I prefer children to be alive Loki Mar 2016 #116

Some child abductors and child molesters are found not guilty. That is why civil liberties remain Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #162

I can't believe you just said that? Loki Mar 2016 #169

Indeed. A rigidity backed by the Constitution and the ACLU. Civlil rights are guaranteed for Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #172

Let us REMEMBER that Bernie voted in FAVOR of MASS INCARCERATION bravenak Mar 2016 #7

and in FAVOR of domestic violence laws and in FAVOR of the assault weapons ban. jeff47 Mar 2016 #36

Those part were Hillary and Bills ideas bravenak Mar 2016 #46

All three parts were Hillary and Bill's. jeff47 Mar 2016 #54

Their idea bravenak Mar 2016 #56

To be technical, all three were first proposed by other people. jeff47 Mar 2016 #59

no, not really nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #62

This is not true. She wants more African companies to be able to work here. Baobab Mar 2016 #8

Ignoring the elephant in the room ... Trajan Mar 2016 #108

I was talking about a specific thing, "movement of natural persons" i.e. Mode Four Baobab Mar 2016 #120

Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2016 #9

K/r. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #10

I wouldn't know. I have most of them on ignore. thereismore Mar 2016 #12

Only way to keep the blood pressure down, really. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #13

A way to stay in a bubble though, too. lovemydog Mar 2016 #128

I thought they'd dropped ethnic issues once it backfired MisterP Mar 2016 #71

Yes, I thought so as well Fairgo Mar 2016 #85

That whole ugly episode needs to be kept in mind bvf Mar 2016 #119

Once you're outed as a rabid anti-Semite you really have no credibility. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #121

Exactly Fairgo Mar 2016 #125

You're right. Absolutely NONE. kath Mar 2016 #165

Oh, like DU gives a shit about black women and how we're treated. YOU DON'T!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2016 #14

Thank fucking god you showed up bravenak Mar 2016 #18

Good thing it's not your decision to end this damn primary . Autumn Mar 2016 #21

It's already the hell over bravenak Mar 2016 #22

Not yet it's not already the hell over. Autumn Mar 2016 #23

Keep dreamin bravenak Mar 2016 #25

You keep right on doing what you are doing. It's gonna work out well. Autumn Mar 2016 #26

Sure will bravenak Mar 2016 #37

You are a real hard person to miss when you are posting Autumn Mar 2016 #39

Use IGNORE bravenak Mar 2016 #41

No I don't think so. Autumn Mar 2016 #42

Have fun bravenak Mar 2016 #44

I'm lurking. Still wondering why Skinner hasn't taken care of this race problem here on DU. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2016 #32

We are just the ones who you can say anything to or about bravenak Mar 2016 #35

You mean like Jews? Prism Mar 2016 #81

That's been debunked. lovemydog Mar 2016 #130

Racism doesn't get "debunked" Prism Mar 2016 #144

^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #153

And that is the thing. Puglover Mar 2016 #154

I don't take any of the -ist talk seriously here Prism Mar 2016 #156

Yep. Puglover Mar 2016 #157

*Very* well said! bvf Mar 2016 #168

Can this be an OP? Lordquinton Mar 2016 #155

It SHOULD be an OP. The spinning would be fun to see. Puglover Mar 2016 #158

+1000. Truly a great post. kath Mar 2016 #166

Racism doesn't get "debunked" AlbertCat Mar 2016 #171

I read the "apology" and as a Jew nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #145

Something being debunked and an "apology" are not the same. Autumn Mar 2016 #148

If one reads all of the posts in that thread and others, lovemydog Mar 2016 #149

Start an OP if you want my opinion on those issues. Here, I think you need this. Autumn Mar 2016 #151

You don't get to tell people when its time to "move on" from an insult riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author kdmorris Mar 2016 #159

Thanks for the clarification. nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #160

Crap I went and looked again... I was wrong kdmorris Mar 2016 #163

No, fstdt.com, a site which collects the slimiest, most disgusting things said on the internet, kath Mar 2016 #167

Her apology has been debunked Capt. Obvious Mar 2016 #164

Yeah we do care. And yeah some don't. katsy Mar 2016 #83

What's fucked up is I've heard three of four of those already. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #131

Well, show some 'fucking respect' (your words) lovemydog Mar 2016 #133

I do and when I make a error in judgment katsy Mar 2016 #142

Okay. lovemydog Mar 2016 #147

Determining what is racist? katsy Mar 2016 #150

Thanks for your kind reply. lovemydog Mar 2016 #173

Same to you katsy Mar 2016 #176

Thank you for saying that. lovemydog Mar 2016 #132

K&R for exposure. And for truth. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #19

K&R! nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #30

Kicked and recced!! eom Arazi Mar 2016 #33

K&R jwirr Mar 2016 #50

She has hurt so many people with her actions and the backing Bill's policies. polly7 Mar 2016 #60

K & R. desmiller Mar 2016 #68

DU Rec Hiraeth Mar 2016 #69

Lol Faux pas Mar 2016 #78

-- Hiraeth Mar 2016 #80

Me too! And I only have 1 person on ignore. (nt) PotatoChip Mar 2016 #98

me too! Fairgo Mar 2016 #86

K&R The truth will out eventually. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #73

Oh no the Hillary brigade is going to be mad at this lady... Kalidurga Mar 2016 #87

Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #91

Yep Kalidurga Mar 2016 #92

Well they've tried to strip her of her agency. She's being "used" doncha know riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #96

^^^^^^ this katsy Mar 2016 #102

Yep, she strayed from the approved script. vintx Mar 2016 #109

It's almost like Hillary supporters have never heard of Alice Walker Kalidurga Mar 2016 #122

Soooo, now Hillary is not that different from KKK women? Beacool Mar 2016 #115

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #140

Jeez Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #123

History teaches us that the wealthy monicaangela Mar 2016 #127

Fanning flames lovemydog Mar 2016 #134

I am a black boomer, and I feel the exact same way noiretextatique Mar 2016 #138

Fair enough. lovemydog Mar 2016 #146

Don't even try. Most of them don't even know what Bernie voted for or against. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #161

Subs DemocraticSocialist8 Mar 2016 #179