2016 Postmortem

revbones

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104. Whataboutism

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:45 PM

Mar 2016

Whataboutism was a propaganda technique used by the Soviet Union in its dealings with the Western world during the Cold War. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union, the response would be "What about..." followed by the naming of an event in the Western world.[1][2] It represents a case of tu quoque or the appeal to hypocrisy, a logical fallacy which attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.

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Blue Nation Review is a propaganda site [View all] revbones Mar 2016 OP

Yes. Agschmid Mar 2016 #1

Sad to see that some DUers think they are OK mcar Mar 2016 #26

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #36

And USUncut is a Bernie propaganda site. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #46

lol, yes a site which is "a reliable defender of and advocate for" one of our top Dems = propaganda. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #2

"Sale Of Blue Nation Review Gives Hillary Clinton Camp Its Very Own Media Outlet" arcane1 Mar 2016 #6

Jealousy is not a good human trait. riversedge Mar 2016 #88

Lol NWCorona Mar 2016 #8

Yes. It's actually the very definition of it. basselope Mar 2016 #13

Perhaps you should look up the definition of "propaganda." merrily Mar 2016 #20

You do realize that Sanders voted against DOMA based on a states' rights argument annavictorious Mar 2016 #178

Ah, so for you propaganda is ok as long as its for your side. revbones Mar 2016 #41

Explain the difference between what Peter Daou does and what Joseph Goebbels did. revbones Mar 2016 #51

Fer chrissakes, that YOU demand to be told the difference makes your mission here pretty obvious. blm Mar 2016 #118

It seems like some sites advocate for Clinton and some sites advocate for Sanders. N/t gollygee Mar 2016 #3

Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #5

Either of which constitches ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #42

Peter Daou is a Clinton employee whose words should be taken as such n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #4

Yes. But he is NOT Joseph Goebbels as this poster is trying to spread here at DU. blm Mar 2016 #120

I never said he was anything close to Joseph Goebbels n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #122

not you….the OP poster. blm Mar 2016 #126

I honestly don't know many political sites that are not propaganda merrily Mar 2016 #7

True, but are they actually owned by campaigns or their counterparts? nt revbones Mar 2016 #9

Don't forget about JPR. n/t seaglass Mar 2016 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Mar 2016 #17

Didn't. But JPR is not run by anyone on the payroll of the DNC or Bernie of anyone else. merrily Mar 2016 #23

A forum site of participating members? revbones Mar 2016 #57

Lol. Convenient that you didn't name them. n/t seaglass Mar 2016 #22

Is it, outside your own mind, I mean? I named the two largest, the ones most people here post on merrily Mar 2016 #24

Yes, one of the differences is on DU both Bernie and Hillary supporters can post and promote their seaglass Mar 2016 #44

No, they're all propaganda. People risk a ban or hide here if they say they will not vote for merrily Mar 2016 #52

This is a site to promote Dems. Any Dem who can get enough votes to be the nominee of the party seaglass Mar 2016 #93

As I said, this is a site to promote establishment Dems. And I already explained why I excluded JPR. merrily Mar 2016 #97

Kind of like Bernie supporters can post all the time on hillaryclintonsupporters.com? LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #55

Did I say that? The Hillary supporters site is similar to the Bernie supporters site, I don't seaglass Mar 2016 #94

I see Bernie supporters posting crap from Fox News.. what is that called?? DCBob Mar 2016 #10

Depends. Is it a video? I once got called out from posting a video from MTP merrily Mar 2016 #31

As does some from camp weathervane: Purveyor Mar 2016 #154

Please choose an impeccable source on which we DUers can all rely. oasis Mar 2016 #11

Anything that agrees with ME is a good source. FSogol Mar 2016 #12

Lol! oasis Mar 2016 #21

oasis Octafish Mar 2016 #101

Yes - I will defend my fellow compatriots here to the hilt, even when they don't blm Mar 2016 #132

Hiya, blm! Octafish Mar 2016 #138

HAH…after leading the charge against HRC here for over 10yrs, how could blm Mar 2016 #142

Hi blm oasis Mar 2016 #148

((oasis/Octafish)) blm Mar 2016 #149

HI Octafish oasis Mar 2016 #143

even the pro HRC DK admits BNR is a HRC progaganda machine: amborin Mar 2016 #14

When i see you and your friends call out your fellow Sanders supporters for using right wing hrmjustin Mar 2016 #15

When I was 10 years old Gwhittey Mar 2016 #27

What is the difference between what Pravda and BNR revbones Mar 2016 #28

My site? I don't have a site. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #54

Fixed revbones Mar 2016 #56

Are you ok with rw material being used here to attack a democratic party candidate? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #58

Are you ok with a propaganda site posing as media? revbones Mar 2016 #59

Are you ok with Sanders sites stuff being posted hrre? I am. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #61

I'm concerned about propaganda. I'm also sad you are not revbones Mar 2016 #66

I take this as I don't care about rw WV sources being used to attack Hillary but how hrmjustin Mar 2016 #69

Whataboutism at it's finest. revbones Mar 2016 #73

I don't use BNR and never would so no hypocrisy on my part. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #75

Not using it, and berating someone for pointing out that it's propaganda revbones Mar 2016 #78

Bnr has been used on this site for a long time. It has been accepted for what it is. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #81

I think I can survive your not taking me seriously, so please see Reply 31. merrily Mar 2016 #37

I can live without seeing post 31. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #50

Bet you looked it anyway, though. Live long and prosper, hrmjustin.nt merrily Mar 2016 #53

When you provide something substantial revbones Mar 2016 #49

Don't include REAL Sanders supporters in that - we know the difference between blm Mar 2016 #125

"Propaganda site" is the Bernie-or-Bust term for "anything not owned by Rupert Murdoch". DanTex Mar 2016 #18

No, just those owned by her super-PAC. nt revbones Mar 2016 #34

Well, no, it's actually not. But, hey, why let facts get in the way? DanTex Mar 2016 #38

Um yes it is nt revbones Mar 2016 #43

Bull puckies, but you knew that before you hit "post." merrily Mar 2016 #40

Let's not forget David Brock is a Republican. berni_mccoy Mar 2016 #19

Seriously? BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #25

Actually, he's a Democrat, not that facts matter much in Hillary-bashing circles. DanTex Mar 2016 #30

Well, now he is. nt. revbones Mar 2016 #33

Yes. Like Bernie. DanTex Mar 2016 #35

Seems to be whatever he gets money to be. Used to hit the Clintons from the right, now he works merrily Mar 2016 #45

You mean like Bernie "I joined the party for the cash" Sanders? DanTex Mar 2016 #48

You made up a quote and falsely attributed it to Sanders to deflect from my post about Brock. merrily Mar 2016 #60

Paraphrased, but true to meaning. You know that as well as I do. DanTex Mar 2016 #62

Um, no, I don't. That's merely something else you made up to deflect from Brock. merrily Mar 2016 #63

He gave an interview where he said just that. And actually Brock didn't change for money, DanTex Mar 2016 #64

Then you should link to his actual words with context. Brock SAID what he changed for. Why should I merrily Mar 2016 #70

I have looked his words in context. He wanted the money. DanTex Mar 2016 #71

Try for a more intelligible first sentence, please. And when was Bernie a Republican again? merrily Mar 2016 #72

"I have looked his words in context." Seems like a normal sentence to me. DanTex Mar 2016 #74

Um, no, it isn't. And it's not a link, either. merrily Mar 2016 #77

How would you fix it to make it more readable then? Is it a grammar thing? DanTex Mar 2016 #79

If I knew what the hell it was supposed to mean, I could probably fix it. As it is, I don't, or merrily Mar 2016 #80

It simply meant that, yes, I have seen the context of the remarks. It's clear what he meant. DanTex Mar 2016 #82

Please stop telling me what I supposedly know and what is supposedly clear to me. Making that kind merrily Mar 2016 #86

Moolah. Cabbage. High society. DanTex Mar 2016 #92

Media coverage of his run from shows like MTP. No wonder you didn't want to link. merrily Mar 2016 #95

He had no money, and he had to find some people who did. Cha-ching! DanTex Mar 2016 #96

Absolutely false and not supported by the story you linked. Neither MTP nor DNC is funding him. merrily Mar 2016 #98

You think that the whole Democratic infrastructure costs nothing? LOL. DanTex Mar 2016 #99

Which whole Democratic infrastructure that the DNC pays for has been supporting Bernie again? merrily Mar 2016 #100

The one that is running the primaries, the convention, the debates, etc. DanTex Mar 2016 #102

I've asked you several times to stop making up crap about me. merrily Mar 2016 #105

The excluded middle. Either you believe his numbers or you don't. DanTex Mar 2016 #107

Multiple posts that make up stuff, make no sense, only to end by changing the subject again! merrily Mar 2016 #109

Do you believe his economic projections or not? DanTex Mar 2016 #111

The subject was money and Brock. See my prior post #109. Thanks ever so. nt merrily Mar 2016 #113

LOL! Dodge. You know, if I supported Bernie, I would at least know how I felt about his economic DanTex Mar 2016 #114

Not at all. See Reply 109 and the entire subthread, starting around Reply 45, especially 105 merrily Mar 2016 #116

Do you or do you not believe his economic projections? Why so evasive? DanTex Mar 2016 #117

See Reply 116 I can understand why someone who got owned as badly as you did wants to change the merrily Mar 2016 #127

You could just say yes or no instead of pointing in circles. Or you could keep dodging... DanTex Mar 2016 #128

Irony alert annavictorious Mar 2016 #179

You will then provide us with an objective list of approved source materia LanternWaste Mar 2016 #29

If you feel a "media" site that was purchased by the super-PAC of a campaign revbones Mar 2016 #32

Every answer is a response, yet not all responses are answers. LanternWaste Mar 2016 #84

Thank you for another "Whataboutism" example revbones Mar 2016 #85

You are unable to directly answer the question? LanternWaste Mar 2016 #87

I don't see it as valid or deserving of anything more than I gave. revbones Mar 2016 #91

You GOT IT, LW. These attacks on Peter Daou are now at the level of despicable. blm Mar 2016 #121

seems like DU is often ... artyteacher Mar 2016 #39

Oh, please with the victim cards. Bernie got called a motherfucker and the jury voted to leave. merrily Mar 2016 #47

yeah, thats not right... artyteacher Mar 2016 #83

And? What Hillary supporters post here about Bernie and his supporters W/O EVEN A RW SOURCE is sick. merrily Mar 2016 #89

The problem is that Hillary followers think anything negative is a right wing lie nt revbones Mar 2016 #151

Why? Because they are Democratic or because they support Clinton? This is a Democratic board. seabeyond Mar 2016 #65

Because they are owned by her super-PAC and pose as legitmate media revbones Mar 2016 #67

I am good with Democratic agenda being discussed on a Democratic board, yes. seabeyond Mar 2016 #68

Unfortunately it's not the "Democratic agenda" as you put it. revbones Mar 2016 #76

Of course it is the Democratic perspective. You do not like it so define it as propaganda. seabeyond Mar 2016 #110

That's a bit ridiculous revbones Mar 2016 #112

No it is not a bit ridiculous. When Hayes talks about Sanders, we do not yell... Propaganda, seabeyond Mar 2016 #115

Tough tooties! leftofcool Mar 2016 #90

So is RT, but that doesn't stop the Sanders people from citing that Tarc Mar 2016 #103

Whataboutism revbones Mar 2016 #104

And as I said the first time, being a hypocrite is not an admirable trait Tarc Mar 2016 #106

And I am bankrupt in what area? revbones Mar 2016 #108

How is... MrWendel Mar 2016 #119

Oh, I guess I must've missed it when Cenk sold TYT to one of the campaign's super-PACs revbones Mar 2016 #129

Are they... MrWendel Mar 2016 #133

No, I just see no need to answer irrelvant questions, revbones Mar 2016 #152

I have no problem with BNR. I like them poking Cruz and Trump with sharp sticks. Lucinda Mar 2016 #123

No you don't need my permission revbones Mar 2016 #130

Odd that someone on a Dem website would call another Dem website "propaganda" Lucinda Mar 2016 #134

Just like The Young Turks. grossproffit Mar 2016 #124

When did Cenk sell TYT to a super-PAC? nt revbones Mar 2016 #131

The fact ... MrWendel Mar 2016 #135

That!! We need to keep calling out the hypocrisy but really is tiresome since there is so much. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #139

There are plenty of sites shilling for Hillary that are not owned by her super-PAC revbones Mar 2016 #153

Can you .... MrWendel Mar 2016 #158

How about you refute the OP? revbones Mar 2016 #161

I think... MrWendel Mar 2016 #163

Can't be more revbones Mar 2016 #164

If ... MrWendel Mar 2016 #165

I haven't seen that revbones Mar 2016 #166

And that... MrWendel Mar 2016 #169

That's a bit weird to argue that revbones Mar 2016 #170

Then why are you practacing... MrWendel Mar 2016 #172

Very mature. That's definitely a post you should be proud of. revbones Mar 2016 #173

Sooo.... MrWendel Mar 2016 #174

Denying what? Your little dig using an 'ism? Wasn't worthy of one. revbones Mar 2016 #175

I've noticed... MrWendel Mar 2016 #176

Lol. revbones Mar 2016 #181

But H A Goodman is a truthful source huh? workinclasszero Mar 2016 #136

Whataboutism at its finest (and intellectualism) revbones Mar 2016 #137

Whataboutism... MrWendel Mar 2016 #141

You guys seem to use it so much revbones Mar 2016 #145

No... MrWendel Mar 2016 #159

No. revbones Mar 2016 #160

The hypocrisy from some Bernie fans workinclasszero Mar 2016 #144

Nice. revbones Mar 2016 #146

I've seen right wing hate sites used by bernie fans workinclasszero Mar 2016 #147

That's laughable. revbones Mar 2016 #150

In other news: The pope admits to being Catholic. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #140

...and bears admit to spreading dung in the woods Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #167

Lol. revbones Mar 2016 #171

"propaganda"? Can you back up that accusation. where has that site misrepresented any facts? Or Bill USA Mar 2016 #155

Other than what I posted, I don't feel your question warrants further information. revbones Mar 2016 #156

in other words you can't back up your statement that BNR traffics in propaganda Bill USA Mar 2016 #157

Or, I just don't really feel you're worth it. revbones Mar 2016 #162

YOU have made an empty charge. It is up to you to prove it. To do this you have to show Bill USA Mar 2016 #177

I'm not sure why you're yelling so much. revbones Mar 2016 #180

as I said. you made the charge. it's up to you to prove it. You cannot back up you charge so Bill USA Mar 2016 #182

Believe what you want. revbones Mar 2016 #183

Sierra Blanca is an example where they helped peddle lies and half truths revbones Mar 2016 #185

Anyone doubting the veracity of the claim can just look at the home page of BNR revbones Mar 2016 #168

Some additional links about the propaganda and lies of Blue Nation Review revbones Mar 2016 #184