2016 Postmortem

SHRED

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24. Giving "protectionism" a bad name is rightwing

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Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:45 AM

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You can't have economic justice without redistribution. Free trade has helped hundreds of millions [View all] hill2016 Mar 2016 OP

Is this a joke? SHRED Mar 2016 #1

which part? hill2016 Mar 2016 #2

Biggest Lie perpetrated on the American Worker FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #101

Gist of OP: Sanders=American Socialist; Clinton=Global Socialist, sacrificing Americans for world! TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #114

Yes. daleanime Mar 2016 #3

That explains our vanishing middle-class. dogman Mar 2016 #6

the US middle class IS THE top hill2016 Mar 2016 #15

And shrinking. dogman Mar 2016 #21

This is doubletalk. raging moderate Mar 2016 #80

We are seeing what's behind the curtain senz Mar 2016 #72

hard to tell sometimes GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #10

Clinton should definitely campaign on all those jobs she wants to keep sending to other countries. phantom power Mar 2016 #117

Third Way bullsh*t. Take your republican stances somewhere else. RiverLover Mar 2016 #4

Here-here Kittycat Mar 2016 #9

It's a bit rampant in the HRC side... SHRED Mar 2016 #14

I don't think they're a HRC supporter. PyaarRevolution Mar 2016 #47

Third Way, my ass. This is all-out corporatism. senz Mar 2016 #67

Take a close look Fairgo Mar 2016 #87

Yes. I know exactly what you mean. senz Mar 2016 #90

Wish we could rec posts - TY senz! and I'm bookmarking the post. n/t ebayfool Mar 2016 #104

It has provided slave labor jobs WDIM Mar 2016 #5

Wow. revbones Mar 2016 #7

I want a President of the United States, not a President of the World. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #8

The corporate world SHRED Mar 2016 #11

economic justice knows no boundaries hill2016 Mar 2016 #12

The jurisdiction of the US presidency DOES have boundaries - the US. closeupready Mar 2016 #25

Sadly, the proven "bottom up" model for redistribution that the left has always endorsed ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #29

We are supposed to be a representative democracy. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #39

What the hell are you talking about? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #48

Things you should understand but apparently act like you do not Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #49

Like what? Be specific. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #59

Sorry but world economic justice is not the role of the President. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #35

Hmmm.... revbones Mar 2016 #82

Neoliberalism is the opposite of economic justice AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #93

I'd settle for an old-fashioned Democrat senz Mar 2016 #68

Don't expect anything resembling economic logic from Hillary bashers. DanTex Mar 2016 #13

So NAFTA and CAFTA were good for the USA working-class? SHRED Mar 2016 #18

NAFTA and CAFTA has resulted hill2016 Mar 2016 #23

So you are openly pro-NAFTA/CAFTA. How about TPP? senz Mar 2016 #70

Protectionism will kill our exports and raise consumer prices. The trading world is now global. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #16

Giving "protectionism" a bad name is rightwing SHRED Mar 2016 #24

Nonsense. Digitalization and large container ships have shrunk the world. Protectionism has Trust Buster Mar 2016 #31

Yeah...right SHRED Mar 2016 #37

Your video did not answer the seminal question in my mind. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #69

NAFTA slowed the job loss to mexico BlueStateLib Mar 2016 #103

Thank you. I enjoyed reading your link. It is as I expected. A much larger issue was involved. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #111

We grow internally and adapt the market Kittycat Mar 2016 #30

You meant FAIR trade, right? GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #17

Nah...that's not what they meant SHRED Mar 2016 #20

Apparently not. *sigh* GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #26

Wish in one hand... nt Chezboo Mar 2016 #44

Only a DINO would support NAFTA SHRED Mar 2016 #19

The actual researched numbers on how many jobs NAFTA really cost the US has debunked much Jitter65 Mar 2016 #109

And it affords suicide nets. Wilms Mar 2016 #22

Perfect response! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #27

Fucking A !!!!! SamKnause Mar 2016 #33

+10000 farleftlib Mar 2016 #54

Omg - you're joking? nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #28

No, polly. I think we're seeing the truth here senz Mar 2016 #66

It is amazing that someone can be so totally clueless, unless SamKnause Mar 2016 #32

Hey folks, either a troll or further proof of right-wing infestation. Broward Mar 2016 #34

It's amazing this post is allowed to stand SHRED Mar 2016 #42

Setting aside DU for a moment, it's amazing Broward Mar 2016 #45

In the bigger picture...yes. SHRED Mar 2016 #46

Free trade does the opposite of redistribution AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #36

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. mmonk Mar 2016 #40

But i thought Bernie was all about "redistribution." Even when Hillary supports same ideas as BS Jitter65 Mar 2016 #41

NAFTA and CAFTA are indeed "redistribution" plans SHRED Mar 2016 #43

All the "dems" rushing agree and endorse your RW economic talking points reveal themselves whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #50

Thanks to NAFTA, Conditions for Mexican Factory Workers Like Rosa Moreno Are Getting Worse polly7 Mar 2016 #51

thank you SHRED Mar 2016 #56

You're very welcome, SHRED. Sad as all this is. nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #57

Rosa's story breaks my heart. closeupready Mar 2016 #61

Except that factory moved in the 1980s Recursion Mar 2016 #98

Mexican Maquiladora factories have been around since 1964 BlueStateLib Mar 2016 #100

Right, but LG built that particular one in IIRC 1987 Recursion Mar 2016 #105

OP Fixed... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #52

free trade=free slavery felix_numinous Mar 2016 #53

You dont read much, do you. bunnies Mar 2016 #55

Bullshit. Prove it with links and documentation. SHRED Mar 2016 #58

Well, thank god free trade appears to be one way under NAFTA. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #60

The redistribution has been from the poor and middle class to the rich angstlessk Mar 2016 #62

IIRC, An interesting point about the poverty numbers is... kristopher Mar 2016 #64

Provided jobs my ASS. Provided slave labor that feeds America's obsession with consumerism. phleshdef Mar 2016 #63

LOL, looks like the globalists are trotting out the old "protectionism is racist" BS. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #65

I'm convinced that you're a performance artist. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #71

I sure hope you are correct TheSarcastinator Mar 2016 #73

The poorest 70% of the world's population has seen impressive income gains but pampango Mar 2016 #74

"The poorest 70% of the world's population has seen impressive income gains" kristopher Mar 2016 #75

This graph from Krugman shows the extent to which the poorest 70% have benefitted. pampango Mar 2016 #83

I think FDR was correct. kristopher Mar 2016 #84

What is 'fair trade' and what is 'free trade'? Do we get to 'fair trade' through negotiated pampango Mar 2016 #86

Fair trade prioritizes domestic workers' rights and the health of the middle class. kristopher Mar 2016 #88

I would add that fair trade prioritizes ALL workers' rights, not just pampango Mar 2016 #91

Nope. kristopher Mar 2016 #92

If FDR has 'seen it differently', he would have acted differently and not proposed the ITO which was pampango Mar 2016 #96

I'm not in the mood for this kind of hair splitting kristopher Mar 2016 #97

"... if it's win-lose something needs to guide the decision making." That's the difference. pampango Mar 2016 #99

I'm sorry but that is nonsense kristopher Mar 2016 #113

I "injected" Trump because he is the antithesis of FDR: a unilateralist vs an internationalist. pampango Mar 2016 #116

This isn't responsive to my point. kristopher Mar 2016 #112

My definition of free trade is like that between American states or France and Germany. pampango Mar 2016 #115

Free trade is bullshit, doesn't exist, kinda like self regulating capitalism LOL Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #76

Certainly provided jobs for people who make suicide nets! basselope Mar 2016 #77

What is 'free trade' to you? elleng Mar 2016 #78

At this point, you'll just make up any old bullshit and pretend to believe it. arcane1 Mar 2016 #79

Someone should just rejoin Republican Party. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #81

^^^ THIS ^^^ senz Mar 2016 #85

And you need income taxes around the world so that the profits of all that trade go applegrove Mar 2016 #89

"provided jobs where previously the best jobs were in rural subsistence farming"? Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #94

Haha! Another Anti-Protectionist, wanting to devalue the US to help other countries. How American? TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #95

you are so wrong! Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #102

NO ONE is against trade. Trade is a good thing and has happened since the beginning of civilization glowing Mar 2016 #106

Everyone seems to like trade in principle. Fewer like it in practice. pampango Mar 2016 #110

As a person who owns a small manufacturing business Sky Masterson Mar 2016 #107

There's a reason they put child-proof caps on those bottles. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #108

OP what are you using for reference or source for that statement? What I have read is the gains Todays_Illusion Mar 2016 #118