2016 Postmortem

bettyellen

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109. If you consider money spent on campaigns all kickback, I think so.

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:08 PM

Mar 2016

I appreciate the irony of him needing campaign money when he is against having campaign money. It is certainly a catch-22.

He is not viable without it, his (and Hillary's) plans are not going anywhere without gaining seats in congress, yet raising money for that- which is a requirement of winning- whether you like it or not- is considered evil somehow.

How do you reconcile all that and help the downtick races, as well as his own in the general- and not feel absolutely tainted?
Please explain?

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Railed against the Dem party for years, neglects to contribute to down ticket races [View all] bigtree Mar 2016 OP

Because if he runs as an independent... Blanks Mar 2016 #1

You got the BoBs threatening to do that anyway. baldguy Mar 2016 #35

Thought you all were big on math. dogman Mar 2016 #2

k bigtree Mar 2016 #4

Might want to reword that header revbones Mar 2016 #3

no...OP had it right...go look up the quotes n/t Sheepshank Mar 2016 #68

By doing something for the downticket races revbones Mar 2016 #72

you can look down thread for verification of Bernie's $0 contributions to down ticket Sheepshank Mar 2016 #75

tl;dr: Bernie hasn't made any bribes... nt revbones Mar 2016 #78

now you are just changing the direction of your snipe. Uselessness abounds. n/t Sheepshank Mar 2016 #79

Not really. You're talking about him not making bribes to super delegates revbones Mar 2016 #101

Votes with Dems more then most Dems vote with Dems. Wilms Mar 2016 #5

Nice! nt revbones Mar 2016 #6

THIS. vintx Mar 2016 #70

Tell me again why you're posting on this board. HERVEPA Mar 2016 #7

To push the party as far to the right as possible, while demanding that we all just accept that. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #34

sinking lower Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #8

" neglects to contribute to down ticket races" ebayfool Mar 2016 #9

that's from 2013 bigtree Mar 2016 #10

It sez "Last updated: 03/24/2016" - that's what I'm going by. ebayfool Mar 2016 #13

Oh please- you saw Open Secrets said 1.75 million went to states from mid Sept- Dec '15 from bettyellen Mar 2016 #14

Hang on - I'm still answering you elsewhere. I don't type as fast and furious as you. n/t ebayfool Mar 2016 #17

HA okay, fair enough. bettyellen Mar 2016 #18

so...you gonna edit or delete your incorrect post? n/t Sheepshank Mar 2016 #69

Nope. I don't hide the evidence when I'm wrong. It's more educational when the post is left ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #99

That website seems to have very little new information- despite saying it is updated daily? bettyellen Mar 2016 #19

Thats pretty easy for her to do because she doesn't need the money. phleshdef Mar 2016 #22

it's smart for her to do, because she needs a stronger party if she is going to get anything done. bettyellen Mar 2016 #25

I've not crowned her anything. You are prejudging me. You know nothing of my position on Clinton. phleshdef Mar 2016 #26

Fair enough, the whole issue is sort of like a snake eating it's tail. The "it takes money" issue bettyellen Mar 2016 #27

She is the Queen of Corporatism because the crown fits & many like the way it looks: marions ghost Mar 2016 #100

Well it is ironic that Bernie would benefit if he won the primary then, isn't it? bettyellen Mar 2016 #106

Does Bernie get a personal kickback? marions ghost Mar 2016 #107

If you consider money spent on campaigns all kickback, I think so. bettyellen Mar 2016 #109

Yes ironic that he has to get elected marions ghost Mar 2016 #110

I've always been pretty cynical, and think Bernie is great. At the same time, a lot of what he has bettyellen Mar 2016 #111

Things can happen quickly sometimes marions ghost Mar 2016 #112

so the answer is that Sanders is doing nothing to help elect Democratic legislators bigtree Mar 2016 #31

You understand it perfectly. But you'd rather pretend you don't so you can antagonize. phleshdef Mar 2016 #98

Perhaps this will give you some better information . Loki Mar 2016 #11

TY for the link. It does go into excellent detail @ this subject! Prolly not the intended ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #12

An additional 1.75 million went to local states parties. Does the DNC spend much locally? bettyellen Mar 2016 #16

They try to put money into races that are truly viable. Loki Mar 2016 #20

thanks, I'm curious to know now the biggest differences between DNC spending and state party's.... bettyellen Mar 2016 #24

How many "Sanders Democrats" SheenaR Mar 2016 #23

You don't deserve an answer with that kind of attitude. Loki Mar 2016 #28

Second time you have mentioned that SheenaR Mar 2016 #45

You act like your the only person who has ever done anything for local and state Dems. Loki Mar 2016 #61

Then answer the poster's question for me. Kittycat Mar 2016 #55

Yes from Big Ticket Donors...Helping to spread the corruption Armstead Mar 2016 #51

Been there, done that... got the t-shirt. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #15

#1 most liberal voting Senator SheenaR Mar 2016 #21

You've only been here since 2016 Loki Mar 2016 #29

Tell us what Senator Clinton accomplished? Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #30

You had better hope that I was your ICU nurse. Loki Mar 2016 #39

So another words you have nothing. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #46

You can look up her accomplishments if you want Loki Mar 2016 #47

What a display of withering intellect I see! Suddenly, I'm attacking nurses everywhere! Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #49

Wow you even looked up your own personality disorder. Loki Mar 2016 #85

Well you cetainly don't "Loki". Keep trying. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #87

She helped get that war on in the Middle East - huge accomplishment for her and her neocon buddies. Broward Mar 2016 #56

centrism is never the best course of action. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #33

"The only thing in the middle of the road is yellow stripes and dead armadillos"-Jim Hightower hobbit709 Mar 2016 #38

Do I get to comment? angrychair Mar 2016 #81

I don't go to a new board and post obnoxious comments to people who have Loki Mar 2016 #82

Again, the attitude angrychair Mar 2016 #90

While that poster was here at the computer typing anonymously SheenaR Mar 2016 #91

You arrive and have done nothing but snark and belittle with every response. Sheepshank Mar 2016 #73

Lol SheenaR Mar 2016 #92

Sanders is the one who said it would be hypocritical of him to run mythology Mar 2016 #88

I do not support his previous comments about the Party SheenaR Mar 2016 #93

To fight for the people. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #32

K&R! stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #36

I've railed against some "Democrats" for years too. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #37

Never ate his brussels sprouts as a child, wet the bed until age 7, refused to help Vinca Mar 2016 #40

I knew he was a monster! A would-be farmer! God, that makes me livid! randome Mar 2016 #41

The whine is strong in bigtree! Logical Mar 2016 #42

In VT he's running as an Independent ucrdem Mar 2016 #43

He's running as as a democrat for the money and sufrommich Mar 2016 #44

Wish we had known that from the beginning. Loki Mar 2016 #48

Hillary is not a democrat. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #52

Helped turn the Dems into the Corporate Wall St. Party, dislikes "liberal" Armstead Mar 2016 #50

Pro-fracking, the death penalty, NAFTA, TPP, etc. Broward Mar 2016 #53

Sanders should sue, and he shouldn't give money down ticket. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #54

which candidates is Sanders donating to? bigtree Mar 2016 #59

Hopefully progressive ones. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #62

name one. bigtree Mar 2016 #64

One idea? Loudestlib Mar 2016 #65

no. Name ONE progressive candidate he's contributing to in any way. bigtree Mar 2016 #67

Did you miss the part where I said "hopefully, and if he doesn't?" Loudestlib Mar 2016 #74

Victory funds... DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #57

Bigtree, failing to give credit to Bernie Sanders for voting with Dems for all these years and being Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #58

it's as if he's already running an independent campaign bigtree Mar 2016 #63

You are just being arrogant. You should be extremely thankful he didn't run as an Independent. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #71

who are you to label me privileged? Talk about 'arrogant' bigtree Mar 2016 #89

You can claim anything you want but all I can really judge is what you write. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #95

you came back at me? bigtree Mar 2016 #96

Did I not kowtow enough? Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #97

Ya, he used what he wanted, said what he needed to say and tossed the party aside. n/t Sheepshank Mar 2016 #77

He is not running as an Independent, thus you are spreading falsehoods. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #84

Yep, it's all about the Big D for some. Many could care less about the policies. Broward Mar 2016 #76

Not buying it! peace13 Mar 2016 #60

so, basically, his form of campaigning doesn't allow for support of other Democrats bigtree Mar 2016 #66

If Democrats don't ask for his help, then don't blame Bernie Larkspur Mar 2016 #80

Sanders and others who've railed on and on about progressive ideals in this campaign bigtree Mar 2016 #86

Yet the Democratic Party bosses are glad Bernie caucuses with them Larkspur Mar 2016 #108

And yet he expects his followers to believe that Super Delegates will change their votes... Walk away Mar 2016 #83

Enormous K & R. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #94

Bernie will clean up the Democratic party, unlike Hillary who depends on the way it is. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #102

Because he IS one Politicalboi Mar 2016 #103

And yet Dems allowed him to run as one pinebox Mar 2016 #104

Appropriation of the platform and triangulation can be effective tactics. LanternWaste Mar 2016 #105

Is it even legal for Sanders to give money raised by his campaign to other campaigns? ky_dem Mar 2016 #113

I will tell you jpb33 Mar 2016 #114