2016 Postmortem

ljm2002

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164. I agreed with what you said here...

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:18 PM

Mar 2016

...100% agreed, in fact, right up to that last word.

We need to find a better word to make the point. I am not, BTW, accusing you of being sexist; it is very commonly used, it does convey a particular meaning with great economy of expression, and I believe that most people who use it are not thinking about its sexist aspect. I just hope we can think of a better word to substitute as this one makes me, and I am sure many other women, uncomfortable.

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Bernie Sanders has not been vetted. Not a single hard negative ad has ever been run against him. [View all] Yavin4 Mar 2016 OP

Better get cracking then. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #1

Duzyish HERVEPA Mar 2016 #131

LOL! MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #136

For all the complaints from Sanders Supporters Trenzalore Mar 2016 #2

Exactly, and there is a ton of opposition research against him. Yavin4 Mar 2016 #3

She can't touch him RobertEarl Mar 2016 #8

So Were Adlai Stevenson, George McGovern, Walter Mondale, Dukakis and John Kerry Stallion Mar 2016 #20

Witness. Basic LA Mar 2016 #21

Some of those were sell outs to establishment RobertEarl Mar 2016 #23

Witness. Yavin4 Mar 2016 #24

Dukakis did not have Bernie's fiighting spirit. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #80

McGovern was the most progressive nominee since LBJ. Don't sell him short, at least equal to Bernie andym Mar 2016 #117

I stand corrected with regard To McGovern. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #171

Bernie is the "one" who is undoing the damage from 1972 andym Mar 2016 #172

In general, I agree with you, however, I know that Jimmy Carter's mother strongly JDPriestly Mar 2016 #175

It must have been a real privilege to work with Lillian Carter on the McGovern Campaign andym Mar 2016 #187

It was. She was just delightful. Just a real human being. I was very young, but I JDPriestly Mar 2016 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author andym Mar 2016 #188

Fighting spirit? More like short-fused garrulousness. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #126

"I can't believe I'm losing to this guy!" SNL--the Dukakis/Bush debate. MADem Mar 2016 #89

Transcript of SNL Bush/Dukakis debate andym Mar 2016 #148

Yes. wisteria Mar 2016 #38

+1000 R B Garr Mar 2016 #86

Speak for yourself about oldsters not Getting the Bern. kristopher Mar 2016 #114

The lesson of those losses were that those candidates didn't win. Period. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #133

Not a witness. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #142

I'm "older". 47 years Dem. Feeling it for Bernie always! highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #179

This is false on its face uponit7771 Mar 2016 #180

The calculation was they can win the primary without it Trenzalore Mar 2016 #10

Gag me with a spoon! They (and you) have thrown... dchill Mar 2016 #28

Yup, they've tried to throw all sorts of shit at Bernie Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #59

! dchill Mar 2016 #64

+1 Bernie is too honest. 840high Mar 2016 #115

Oh and don't forget, strategery blunder Mar 2016 #178

I think you are over sensitive Trenzalore Mar 2016 #138

Remember, what you read on here is not what this race looks like out in the 'real world'. anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #100

Do "issues pertinent to being president..." dchill Mar 2016 #101

Is that a metric ton, or Imperial? dchill Mar 2016 #27

Bring It On cantbeserious Mar 2016 #104

They tried to call him pro-rape....remember that? pantsonfire Mar 2016 #130

Bullshit. We've already heard everything. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #134

I suspect David Brock has it and woiuld use anything really damaging Armstead Mar 2016 #185

Hehe, she didn't touch him, she ABSORBED him. nc4bo Mar 2016 #9

lol, like ... senz Mar 2016 #36

Clinton stands by the Democrat platform wisteria Mar 2016 #44

Bigtime witness... Old and In the Way Mar 2016 #57

I agreed with what you said here... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #164

Exactly and she went full on racist dog whistle in 2008. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #74

You have a very strange concept LWolf Mar 2016 #4

That is he way it works. wisteria Mar 2016 #46

That there are negative ads in a campaign? LWolf Mar 2016 #145

MAYBE because ther are very little negatives against him? napi21 Mar 2016 #5

B.S. There are real negatives against him. Yavin4 Mar 2016 #25

Yah! He was the Gun Runner for her SOS weapons deals w/Kuwait. senz Mar 2016 #69

Big talk there. nt grasswire Mar 2016 #70

Bring It On cantbeserious Mar 2016 #105

If there were, you'd have told us. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #135

He has huge, unsurmountable negatives. They just haven't been publicized. MADem Mar 2016 #26

It is interesting that you use Counterpunch malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #174

Yes, but it's a source that the Bernie enthusiasts normally point to as "reliable." MADem Mar 2016 #176

Maybe the Repubs will run the first paragraph of a column he wrote in a Vermont newspaper. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #30

There is that essay KingFlorez Mar 2016 #40

Vs Trump? Uhhah. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #154

Depends what you mean by "negatives". There are massive things that will turn voters off him. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #158

Do you have a link to the hard negative ads against Hillary? Loudestlib Mar 2016 #6

^^^ Thread Winner ^^^ senz Mar 2016 #39

A link? Are you kidding? redstateblues Mar 2016 #65

You didn't answer my question so I looked for my self and found one. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #94

This is the point that is constantly overlooked KingFlorez Mar 2016 #7

Bull!!....Back in 2008, republicans were 'locked n loaded' Segami Mar 2016 #11

This is a very good point. senz Mar 2016 #47

Sanders: 34 years of elected office Hillary: 8 GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #12

I would have thought she would have more but maybe I over estimated. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #15

Sanders 11 elections happened in a tiny, low population state with relatively few voters. MADem Mar 2016 #31

It costs almost nothing to vet someone. Get a PI and go for it if you don't think GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #144

Sanders HAS been vetted--it's just that Dems are too polite to bring MADem Mar 2016 #167

Since the Republicans wants to run against Sanders in the GE rather than Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #13

You are correct, Hillary's negatives are terrible and deep seated. dogman Mar 2016 #14

Bernie is fool's gold. woolldog Mar 2016 #16

He's been winning elections since the 1980s. senz Mar 2016 #41

In Vermont! woolldog Mar 2016 #84

Clinton won two elections in her life, both in liberal New York senz Mar 2016 #91

Glass jaw redstateblues Mar 2016 #66

And, his crotchety, curmudgeonly character will be on full display. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #128

One thing they'll throw at him is is hypocrisy as a boss. KitSileya Mar 2016 #141

That's easily shown to be false hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #17

I've seriously never heard a single Republican go hard after him. Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #18

The only thing they can do is call him a Communist AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #19

Bernie has never been vetted. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #33

They call all noble people "Communist." senz Mar 2016 #48

How about creeksneakers2 Mar 2016 #78

Could it be because he has not a single hard negative? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #22

He has soft negatives that can be exaggerated and easily refuted. senz Mar 2016 #55

LOL. Yup. nt cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #62

So what's prevented Mrs. Clinton from delivering the death blow? frylock Mar 2016 #29

She doesn't want to destroy him. She wants to co-opt him. MADem Mar 2016 #35

Ah. Multi-dimensional chess. frylock Mar 2016 #45

If that's chess to you, you're playing with very few pieces. MADem Mar 2016 #49

Clinton doesn't need to do that KingFlorez Mar 2016 #43

She can't close the deal on an unknown Senator from a small state. frylock Mar 2016 #149

A delegate lead of more than 300 says otherwise KingFlorez Mar 2016 #152

can't close the deal, and her supporters are all wadded because of that. frylock Mar 2016 #157

I have a hard time understanding exactly what you mean by "vetted". SheilaT Mar 2016 #32

Hillary will wipe the floor with his bleached, whispy extensions. MADem Mar 2016 #37

I simply disagree with you here. SheilaT Mar 2016 #53

Time--as it always does--will tell. nt MADem Mar 2016 #54

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Time will tell. I'm not voting out of fear that "some Republicans" might not like my candidate. MADem Mar 2016 #77

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When we're down to 2 candidates, and one is Trump, and the other is Clinton, MADem Mar 2016 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author imari362 Mar 2016 #123

Do what you want--if you think anyone is trying to scare you, that's on YOU. MADem Mar 2016 #124

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And those who don't love her will be brought to heel Fumesucker Mar 2016 #85

Oh, let's try to avoid bitterness, now. MADem Mar 2016 #87

I was just repeating a phrase I heard somewhere Fumesucker Mar 2016 #88

I'm sure it went right over her head. senz Mar 2016 #92

I knew where it came from. I said what I needed to say, but how adorable that you felt MADem Mar 2016 #107

Ah, doubling down? It won't change anything, nor, in the long run, will it make you feel any MADem Mar 2016 #98

Since you are winning then what is your motivation for wanting to hurt? Fumesucker Mar 2016 #106

I'm hoping for unity, but I can wait. I'm not calling for any particular candidate MADem Mar 2016 #109

I'm barely here any more anyway Fumesucker Mar 2016 #118

Maybe you'll change your mind. MADem Mar 2016 #121

Honestly, I think you're giving Republicans too much credit here. Male and female. ebayfool Mar 2016 #97

I predicted Kasich would not go gently. Why? Because he was advertising in NH MADem Mar 2016 #99

Ha! I just typed this in another thread. ebayfool Mar 2016 #102

I think there will be GOP voters who will lie to their buddies and quietly vote Dem. MADem Mar 2016 #119

We can only hope! n/t ebayfool Mar 2016 #120

The whole Bosnia sidebar is only important to R B Garr Mar 2016 #82

Keep in mind that both here elections were against incredibly weak candidates. SheilaT Mar 2016 #113

This is just more pathetic spin that only caters to RW'ers and the irrational R B Garr Mar 2016 #165

"Vet" does not mean "to criticize" or "to smear." senz Mar 2016 #34

Yep, they're using that term incorrectly brush Mar 2016 #50

Hill won't be vetted until we see the stuff she's keeping secret. senz Mar 2016 #42

Team Hillary has thrown all kinds of shit at him. Vattel Mar 2016 #51

And they call it "taking the high road." senz Mar 2016 #61

They have treated him with kid gloves redstateblues Mar 2016 #68

BS To Those Who Say It's Because There's Nothing Negative To Run About Bernie? Corey_Baker08 Mar 2016 #52

She lobbed most of those crappy falsehoods in the debates. senz Mar 2016 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author imari362 Mar 2016 #63

First Of All They Are Not 'Falsehoods' They Are FACTS Corey_Baker08 Mar 2016 #71

Nothing about what was posted was false and it was only in debates not add buys iirc uponit7771 Mar 2016 #181

You are so right. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author imari362 Mar 2016 #60

BRING IT ON grasswire Mar 2016 #72

This astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #76

The last Democrat to run on raising taxes on the middle class redstateblues Mar 2016 #73

Walter Mondale was uninspiring. Bernie drew 30,000 cheering fans last weekend. senz Mar 2016 #93

Why isn't it translating to votes? Hillary has millions more in the popular vote redstateblues Mar 2016 #155

heheh! delrem Mar 2016 #75

You are spot on. Yet, as folks do get to know him--the last poll I saw his unfavorability riversedge Mar 2016 #79

What are you so nervous about, anyway? senz Mar 2016 #95

I made a comment. You are the one saying I am nervous. Your mistake. riversedge Mar 2016 #96

Last poll I saw, Clinton's unfavorability was second only to Trump in the history books. w4rma Mar 2016 #111

So Clinton's campaign is incompetent? jeff47 Mar 2016 #81

Because, unlike Sanders, they're looking ahead to the general. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #159

You think lying about pictures did not bother Sanders supporters? jeff47 Mar 2016 #170

Richard Tarrant showed how effective wall to wall attack ads against Bernie are jfern Mar 2016 #90

Bernie's been handled with kid gloves the whole time. RandySF Mar 2016 #103

You can't honestly handle a good and decent man any other way without a huge backlash. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #112

Ask Mike Dukakis or John Kerry Yavin4 Mar 2016 #166

So, your argument against a good and decent man is that Clinton is "immune" to being attacked? w4rma Mar 2016 #168

He has no horrible reveals to fear. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #137

And hated since 1992. And Not a Single Hard Negative, bec. snot Mar 2016 #108

Nothing will work. Socialist won't work. Communist won't work. There's nothing else ... ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #116

I remember Dukakis. Lee Atwater wanted to make Willie Horton his running mate and he did andym Mar 2016 #122

Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #127

Bullshit, Hillary threw all she had and made up some more. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #129

No she didn't, Cornell West is enough to sink his ass but she left that alone uponit7771 Mar 2016 #182

Comparatively few even know who he is Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #184

That's the point, they'd find out quick if she hammered him on such a dickish uponit7771 Mar 2016 #186

Could be there's nothing all that bad anyone could say about him. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #132

There's been a few, but they haven't gotten any coverage... Yet. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #139

Don't forget his support of censorship and assassination in Nicaragua KitSileya Mar 2016 #143

Other than socialist name-calling (which Obama has already been subjected to for 9 years) what... Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #140

Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders Gothmog Mar 2016 #146

Not true that "Not a single hard negative ad has ever been run against him." thesquanderer Mar 2016 #147

No needs for ads, the corporate media spreads the attacks (lies) against Bernie for free. Skwmom Mar 2016 #150

As they said on Face the Nation, the vetting of Clinton will occur in the general election AND Skwmom Mar 2016 #151

The "what would happen" has less to do with if it is Bernie or not and more to do Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #153

Which one should they hit him with? The NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #156

And that is why Hillary Polls so badly WDIM Mar 2016 #160

DU rec... SidDithers Mar 2016 #161

Only on DU is this spun into a negative. Orsino Mar 2016 #162

I think Yavin4's single issue is 'free' trade. He should just come out and say that. w4rma Mar 2016 #169

The FBI is "vetting" Clinton right now. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #163

I wonder if anyone in the media is ever going to call him a socialist? Hillary has been vetted and Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #173

How about we 4nic8em Mar 2016 #177

What the hell are you waiting for? Bring what you've got, bring it all, and bring it now. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #183

I'm surprised that everyone here doesn't know that. It's basic politics. NT BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #189