2016 Postmortem

Onlooker

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24. The Clintons fought for gay rights ...

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 02:47 PM

Mar 2016

... at a time that the religious right and far right were forcing their agenda through Newt Gingrich's Contract with America, Bill Clinton was meeting with gays at the White House, appointing gays to government position, imposing anti-discrimination rules on federal offices and contractors, and doing much more. They fought but they lost big time on DOMA after state after state starting amending their constitutions to ouotlaw gay marriage. Even Bernie Sanders voted against DOMA on states rights grounds, not on civil rights grounds. The Clintons did an enormous amount after Reagan's failure to combat AIDS and continue to so through their Clinton Foundation. Bernie has no connection to the gay rights movement, and that is why so many gay rights groups have endorsed Hillary. Hillary's stupid comment about Nancy Reagan not withstanding, the fact is the Clinton's have actually been part of the gay rights struggle, its victories as well as its defeats. That doesn't mean that Bernie didn't have even better views, but he did not make anything happen.

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How will Bernie represent young straight white men of Christian heritage? [View all] Onlooker Mar 2016 OP

He'll be offering those things to everybody. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #1

Well-said! Merryland Mar 2016 #2

Investing is available to everyone, too Onlooker Mar 2016 #3

Then vote for HRC. She reaches out to minorities and the disenfranchised Wilms Mar 2016 #4

Do you mean when she gives speeches to private parties? longship Mar 2016 #74

HRC just brushes it off. Wilms Mar 2016 #75

She doesn't care. Students? Pew! nt longship Mar 2016 #79

Which is exactly my point. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #6

Which do you like more, brie or cheddar? Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #58

Bernie will do more to help poor people than HRC. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #86

Well there's this NWCorona Mar 2016 #5

Go watch one of his speeches. . . .they're public . . . .unlike Hillary when she talks to her base. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #7

Bernie's "base" is We the People. 99Forever Mar 2016 #8

But only a small minority thereof. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #61

Bullshit. 99Forever Mar 2016 #63

Link? haikugal Mar 2016 #67

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/ Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #72

Sorry...not a working link. haikugal Mar 2016 #78

Hmm. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #81

There is no way it could ever be more left wing to support the more right-wing candidate. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #87

I think most of what you say there is simply false. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #88

HRC hasn't ever been strong on POC issues. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #91

This OP absolutely proves a point I made in another post... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #9

That's a Republican point Onlooker Mar 2016 #12

You and your fellow Clinton supporters feast on race and gender. Hard to deny that. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #14

Of our two candidates just one openly opposed the civil rights of a minority group and did so until Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #20

The Clintons fought for gay rights ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #24

She fought for separate not equal rights unapatriciated Mar 2016 #31

Now you claim to speak for the lgbt community too? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #38

Actually he did oppose marriage equality ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #45

No he DIDN'T. Those are lies from a blogger and they've been debunked. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #47

That quote is a states rights quote Onlooker Mar 2016 #51

the states rights thing has been his fall back on "wedge issues" for a long time.... bettyellen Mar 2016 #54

Actually Hillary used it to support her opposition to marriage equality and gun owner's rights. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #57

they both copped out of strongly supporting gay marriage until the electorate came around. bettyellen Mar 2016 #59

Except Bernie never opposed marriage equality, Hillary did - adamantly. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #60

Thanks BMUS, lies, damned lies!! haikugal Mar 2016 #80

And not even little ones, you can see those whoppers from space! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #82

Supporting state's rights to pass same sex marriage legislation WAS supporting marriage equality. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #56

It doesn't matter why he voted against DOMA Ken Burch Mar 2016 #92

It certainly is. bettyellen Mar 2016 #25

with the relatively lack of diversity there. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #41

We have corrected all the things that cost us POC support earlier. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #89

Hillary Clinton will see to it that the Department of Justice cheapdate Mar 2016 #10

She'll definitely bring some people to heel, that much is certain. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #15

Can you give me the links that support your statement @ Bernie donors riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #11

One thing he won't H2O Man Mar 2016 #13

"largely white" etc., "arguably male" - weasel words. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #16

Ugh. Another race-baiting OP. Divisivness, that's a RW/GOP divide and conquer tactic! nt TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #48

Obama did pretty well representing LGBT of all faiths and races while being a straight Christian Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #17

Shameful. Beneath the Democratic Party. Barack_America Mar 2016 #18

aww. is somebody feeling cranky this morning? Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #19

It's these most ridiculous claims that make me Kittycat Mar 2016 #21

I love the new avatar Fairgo Mar 2016 #28

Thanks. eom Kittycat Mar 2016 #50

I feel the same unapatriciated Mar 2016 #94

Christian? What? It seems the bible thumpers go for Clinton...what am I missing? Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #22

The thumpers, sure, but the believers in Christ's teachings... JackRiddler Mar 2016 #23

Yes, they have. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #30

This is the best that Clinton supporters have? libtodeath Mar 2016 #26

huh? This implies that young straight white christians aren't already amply represented 2banon Mar 2016 #27

huh? This implies that young straight white christians aren't already amply represented AlbertCat Mar 2016 #42

Narrowing Bernie's base of support just a LITTLE BIT, aren't we? PatrickforO Mar 2016 #29

Why are you marginalizing millions of women and minorities who support Bernie? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #32

As wonderfully as he'll represent everyone else (except anti-Semites). Fozzledick Mar 2016 #33

I think both Sanders and Clinton will treat all people equally & follow our laws. Sunlei Mar 2016 #34

I was not aware the protestant white lady with an English Surname... JPnoodleman Mar 2016 #35

I was not aware the protestant white lady with an English Surname... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #43

Please provide proof of your "common knowledge" allegation. senz Mar 2016 #36

This post Capt. Obvious Mar 2016 #37

is another shining example of 5 hide+ amnesty. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #44

I have two sons, young, white, straight. SheilaT Mar 2016 #39

How will Bernie represent young straight white men of Christian heritage? AlbertCat Mar 2016 #40

I don't get your post at all. 2banon Mar 2016 #46

Bernie is Jewish Kalidurga Mar 2016 #55

DING DING DING! Exactly, the dog whitles are getting louder all the time. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #62

Yep...there it is. haikugal Mar 2016 #71

"Common knowledge." bvf Mar 2016 #49

promises of those things . . . delivering will be another matter DrDan Mar 2016 #52

Bernie is a fighter...he WILL wear those comfortable shoes and walk the line. haikugal Mar 2016 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #53

Really? haikugal Mar 2016 #64

It's a dog whistle and they're not exactly being subtle about it. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #66

They don't do subtle.... haikugal Mar 2016 #68

Good to se you too, my friend. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #70

Well at least he went to their most conservative college and talked to them... blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #65

The audience was very polite too. Some even applauded. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #73

I think it's time to move on Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #76

privilege cookies AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #77

Steaming pant load AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #83

Right. Because handouts to Wall Street are preferable to $15 minimum wage and free education. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #84

Those things are good for everybody Ken Burch Mar 2016 #85

Christian? how did Dearborn vote? Vote2016 Mar 2016 #90

I don't know the current ethnic breakdown of Dearborn Democrats but: k8conant Mar 2016 #93

Heard of the Old Testament ? TheFarS1de Mar 2016 #95