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In reply to the discussion: How will Bernie represent young straight white men of Christian heritage? [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)56. Supporting state's rights to pass same sex marriage legislation WAS supporting marriage equality.
Last edited Sun Mar 27, 2016, 05:57 PM - Edit history (1)
I don't deny he believes in states rights, but states rights is what the segregationists believe in too. If we had states rights on gay marriage, we would not have gay marriage in the United States, except in a few liberal states.
Enough with the bullshit state's rights meme, of course it was a state's rights issue. Civil rights groups were struggling to pass legislation at the state level so they could OVERTURN DOMA.
By voting AGAINST DOMA Bernie supported same sex marriage for all states including Vermont. The quote you keep referring to was when Bernie said it was too soon to try to pass it in Vermont and he was right, it would have failed.
Unlike your candidate who opposed it for all states including and especially New York:
By voting against DOMA he was SUPPORTING state's rights to make same sex marriage legal, not trying to deny their right to do so.
Stop trying to rewrite history.
Vermont in fact did not legalize gay marriage until 2010, 6 years after Massachusetts became the first.
Now you're making up crap about Vermont?
Vermont passed a same sex marriage law in 2009, and was the FIRST state to overturn a constitutional ban against it. We passed the nation's first landmark civil union legislation the next year year:
1999: Civil Unions in Vermont
Hawaiian Supreme Court refused to recognize same-sex marriages, the Vermont Supreme Court handed down its decision in Baker v. State. In that decision, the court said that same-sex couples must be granted the same benefits and protections that heterosexual couples received under state law. The court instructed the state legislature to determine how to grant homosexual couples those benefits and protections. It didnt require the state to allow same-sex couples to be legally married but instead told the state legislature it had to find some way to treat those couples the same as if they were legally married.
The Civil Union is Born
The next year, the state passed a bill allowing same-sex couples to enter into "civil unions." Town clerks were authorized to give licenses to same-sex couples for these unions in the same way they would give out marriage licenses. Same-sex couples could be married by anyone authorized to perform marriages under state law and would have to divorce under state law in the same way heterosexual couples would. According to the Vermont Secretary of State, in the first five years since the passage of the civil union law, 1,142 Vermont couples and 6,424 couples from other states and nations were joined.
Same-sex couples in civil unions in Vermont are entitled to all the benefits available under state law to married couples, including medical decisions, estate inheritance, overseeing burials, transferring properties, and certain tax breaks. Employers are required to treat civil union couples in the same way they treated other married couples, in matters including health benefits, marital status discrimination law, workers' compensation benefits, taxation, family leave benefits and wage assignment laws.
Civil Union Replaced by Same-Sex Marriage
The Vermont civil union bill was a landmark in the fight over gay marriages. For the first time, a state allowed gay couples to have all the same benefits as married couples under state law. In 2009, Vermont went one step further and approved same-sex marriages. The civil union is no longer available in Vermont, but any civil union entered into before September 1, 2009 is still honored.
Civil unions and the similar domestic partnership option are still offered in some states, such as Colorado, even though same-sex marriage is now legal at the federal level. Civil unions are also still available in Hawaii, Illinois, and Rhode Island. Oregon and Nevada provide broad domestic partnership benefits.
Same-sex marriage laws continuously changed up until the Supreme Court's 2015 Obergefell v. Hodges decision. And since marriage is no longer restricted to just heterosexual couples, the relevance of both civil unions and domestic partnerships likely will wane.
http://family.findlaw.com/domestic-partnerships/1999-civil-unions-in-vermont.html
Hawaiian Supreme Court refused to recognize same-sex marriages, the Vermont Supreme Court handed down its decision in Baker v. State. In that decision, the court said that same-sex couples must be granted the same benefits and protections that heterosexual couples received under state law. The court instructed the state legislature to determine how to grant homosexual couples those benefits and protections. It didnt require the state to allow same-sex couples to be legally married but instead told the state legislature it had to find some way to treat those couples the same as if they were legally married.
The Civil Union is Born
The next year, the state passed a bill allowing same-sex couples to enter into "civil unions." Town clerks were authorized to give licenses to same-sex couples for these unions in the same way they would give out marriage licenses. Same-sex couples could be married by anyone authorized to perform marriages under state law and would have to divorce under state law in the same way heterosexual couples would. According to the Vermont Secretary of State, in the first five years since the passage of the civil union law, 1,142 Vermont couples and 6,424 couples from other states and nations were joined.
Same-sex couples in civil unions in Vermont are entitled to all the benefits available under state law to married couples, including medical decisions, estate inheritance, overseeing burials, transferring properties, and certain tax breaks. Employers are required to treat civil union couples in the same way they treated other married couples, in matters including health benefits, marital status discrimination law, workers' compensation benefits, taxation, family leave benefits and wage assignment laws.
Civil Union Replaced by Same-Sex Marriage
The Vermont civil union bill was a landmark in the fight over gay marriages. For the first time, a state allowed gay couples to have all the same benefits as married couples under state law. In 2009, Vermont went one step further and approved same-sex marriages. The civil union is no longer available in Vermont, but any civil union entered into before September 1, 2009 is still honored.
Civil unions and the similar domestic partnership option are still offered in some states, such as Colorado, even though same-sex marriage is now legal at the federal level. Civil unions are also still available in Hawaii, Illinois, and Rhode Island. Oregon and Nevada provide broad domestic partnership benefits.
Same-sex marriage laws continuously changed up until the Supreme Court's 2015 Obergefell v. Hodges decision. And since marriage is no longer restricted to just heterosexual couples, the relevance of both civil unions and domestic partnerships likely will wane.
http://family.findlaw.com/domestic-partnerships/1999-civil-unions-in-vermont.html
Again you embarrass yourself with your assumptions and lack of knowledge about the subject.
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How will Bernie represent young straight white men of Christian heritage? [View all]
Onlooker
Mar 2016
OP
Go watch one of his speeches. . . .they're public . . . .unlike Hillary when she talks to her base.
pdsimdars
Mar 2016
#7
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/
Donald Ian Rankin
Mar 2016
#72
There is no way it could ever be more left wing to support the more right-wing candidate.
Ken Burch
Mar 2016
#87
You and your fellow Clinton supporters feast on race and gender. Hard to deny that.
cherokeeprogressive
Mar 2016
#14
Of our two candidates just one openly opposed the civil rights of a minority group and did so until
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2016
#20
No he DIDN'T. Those are lies from a blogger and they've been debunked.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#47
the states rights thing has been his fall back on "wedge issues" for a long time....
bettyellen
Mar 2016
#54
Actually Hillary used it to support her opposition to marriage equality and gun owner's rights.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#57
they both copped out of strongly supporting gay marriage until the electorate came around.
bettyellen
Mar 2016
#59
Except Bernie never opposed marriage equality, Hillary did - adamantly.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#60
Supporting state's rights to pass same sex marriage legislation WAS supporting marriage equality.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#56
Ugh. Another race-baiting OP. Divisivness, that's a RW/GOP divide and conquer tactic! nt
TheBlackAdder
Mar 2016
#48
Obama did pretty well representing LGBT of all faiths and races while being a straight Christian
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2016
#17
Christian? What? It seems the bible thumpers go for Clinton...what am I missing?
Bread and Circus
Mar 2016
#22
huh? This implies that young straight white christians aren't already amply represented
2banon
Mar 2016
#27
huh? This implies that young straight white christians aren't already amply represented
AlbertCat
Mar 2016
#42
Why are you marginalizing millions of women and minorities who support Bernie?
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#32
I think both Sanders and Clinton will treat all people equally & follow our laws.
Sunlei
Mar 2016
#34
DING DING DING! Exactly, the dog whitles are getting louder all the time.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#62
Well at least he went to their most conservative college and talked to them...
blueintelligentsia
Mar 2016
#65
Right. Because handouts to Wall Street are preferable to $15 minimum wage and free education.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2016
#84