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JonLeibowitz

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16. Is Hillary Clinton a progressive?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

Is making the act of flag burning a felony progressive?

Is dismissing free speech advocates by saying "the usual people are going to complain about the 1st amendment" in response to talk about legislating strong encryption progressive?

Is an interventionist foreign policy progressive?

Is free trade progressive? What about allowing enough wiggle room with claimed opposition to the TPP to allow you to support it in the end (as the business community expects her to) after the primary (that would be what we call lying) ? Is that progressive?

Is it progressive to state that marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman? Is it progressive to advocate for Mother/Father on State documents rather than Parent 1/2 or Guardian 1/2 ?

Is receiving huge contributions from the industries you will be regulating progressive?

Is siding with your corporate donors in the credit industry progressive when your actions hurt single mothers progressive?

Is receiving money from lobbyists of the private prison industry progressive?

Is it progressive to want those who possess marijuana (which has no known negative health effects) to be put in prison, even when their state deems it legal? What about when your private prison industry lobbyists stand to gain from a higher incarceration rate?

Is it progressive to vote for the PATRIOT act, repeatedly?

Is it progressive to vote against banning the use of cluster bombs which maim and kill innocent children?

Is it progressive to say that a single payer health care system will never ever happen, even though that or something like it (public option) is the only way to get to universal healthcare?

The Democratic party is not progressive. Her being a mainstream Democrat doesn't make her progressive.

Bernie may not win, I don't expect him to. The delegate math doesn't favor him. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #1
I consider myself more of a progressive than you do, in that I actually want to get things done. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #5
How do you know how much of a progressive I consider myself? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #8
I will never not post this in response. Chichiri Mar 2016 #10
Is Hillary Clinton a progressive? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #16
I'm not going to argue the trees. The forest is right there. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #32
That IS the forest! JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #38
No, that's a Rove-shaped crater. Look behind you. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #43
Every issue I described is to Hillary's (and Rove's) left. I don't see how Rove has any relevance. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #48
Don't bother. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #89
Concur laserhaas Apr 2016 #103
ha ha ha Perogie Mar 2016 #64
Of course she isn't kaleckim Mar 2016 #102
No offense, but TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #12
Again. Chichiri Mar 2016 #13
I'm sorry, but that is unconvincing. n/t Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #22
Some people don't want to be convinced. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #26
HRC is republican light... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #52
Smears. Hillary was one of the most liberal Senators redstateblues Mar 2016 #31
Clinton and Sanders agree on 90% of the issues brush Mar 2016 #39
False. Prove it. Hint: Voting 90% of the time the same way doesn't work, JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #47
You prove that they don't. It's in the congressional record brush Mar 2016 #71
... JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #72
Guns is a major issue. brush Mar 2016 #75
So do they agree on guns? Or are you using guns to argue against your own claim about 90%? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #77
I'm sure you know they don't agree on guns brush Mar 2016 #79
Yes, Hillary wants companies which legally sell firearms to be held responsible. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #81
I didn't agree that they differ much more than 10% on issues brush Mar 2016 #82
Bernie is on the opposite side of each and every one of those in the list. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #83
They are actually not that far apart on guns. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #92
There are people here who believe gunz everywhere is a progressive cause. The term is Hoyt Mar 2016 #55
That's one TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #58
If you introduce an amendment to the constitution I will support it. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #63
Supreme Court says gunz can be regulated. In fact, even racist gun supporter Scalia only supported Hoyt Mar 2016 #70
Caving isn't getting things done. It's caving. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #34
No, getting things done is getting things done. Bernie will accomplish zero. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #84
Getting things "done" is not all it is cracked up to be quaker bill Mar 2016 #80
Explain how she will get things done kaleckim Mar 2016 #101
+1. It was never a campaign as much as a movement. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #60
if Bernie wins New York....all bets are off virtualobserver Mar 2016 #2
MICHIGAN 2.0 times ten. n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #3
Team Hillary's "math" is actually a house of cards. virtualobserver Mar 2016 #4
In what way? nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #6
practically every point that you are making..... virtualobserver Mar 2016 #15
This is the crux if the matter. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #24
Oh, so if Bernie wins New York, he'll sweep everything like he did after Michigan. Chichiri Mar 2016 #27
and Hillary herself is none other than Claire Underwood? bettyellen Mar 2016 #7
Umm....you're just starting the think that? n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #9
I spit beer out my nose from someone saying that the other night. I've met a few people who bettyellen Mar 2016 #11
I found the GOP slate Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #18
HA! My friend claims they were a super talented band under all that fur! bettyellen Mar 2016 #20
Yeah, Mike Nesmith was actually a real, talented musician too. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #23
He had the advantage of that Liquid Paper trust fund though. Wasn't it Dolenz who hung out bettyellen Mar 2016 #25
I didn't know Nesmith was an heir to liquid paper. Too weird. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #42
Yes, his mom Betty was a typist and cooked it up in her kitchen. I think he inherited way after he bettyellen Mar 2016 #50
He was also responsible, in part, for "Repo Man" IIRC Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #65
Oh yeah! Gosh it has been years since I've seen that. Google Dolenz + Alice Cooper or bettyellen Mar 2016 #69
damn. All I can say is, anybody who partied with Keith Moon wasn't on the amateur circuit Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #87
Yeah, and Nilsson.... makes you wonder about Ann Murray.... bettyellen Mar 2016 #88
Claire is far more competent.....she would never make the mistakes Hillary has made. virtualobserver Mar 2016 #19
I think "House of Cards" is an excellent motif for her campaign. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #91
What is Not Being Taken Into Account On The Numbers Point Is The GROWING BERNIE MOMENTUM... CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #14
Lol. Nt metroins Mar 2016 #62
I think geography is far more of a factor than the things you mention. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #17
Either they're white caucus states, or whatever Hillary-sucks reason you're thinking of. Chichiri Mar 2016 #30
Well I guess when Oregon votes by mail, we'll know for sure. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #33
Mountains? nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #35
You should get out more, I think. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #36
Okay, I give. What is it? Chichiri Mar 2016 #37
Just out of curiosity, what part of the country are you in? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #40
Minnesota. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #41
Ah. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #44
Well? nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #45
WA, AK, CO & OR have all legalized marijuana for recreational use. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #53
Ah, okay. Thanks. nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #54
Pretty much favors Bernie at this point basselope Mar 2016 #21
How in the world do you figure that? nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #29
Logic, Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #49
Oh. Well, I'm convinced! nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #51
Cool. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #56
Look at the regions they are moving into. basselope Mar 2016 #57
. . . . yes? Go on? nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #78
The caucuses are over KingFlorez Mar 2016 #46
You're completing ignoring the regions. basselope Mar 2016 #59
And they are not caucuses KingFlorez Mar 2016 #67
So what? basselope Mar 2016 #73
Clinton repped New York in the Senate for 8 years KingFlorez Mar 2016 #85
She repped it for 8 years.. which will greatly help Sanders. basselope Mar 2016 #86
Saturday morning, Camp Weathervane was denouncing momentum VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #90
He really has barely any chance at all. bravenak Mar 2016 #28
Agreed, lots of pressure on the Super Delegates. I would have thought the time Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #66
Most people seem to make quite a few friends bravenak Mar 2016 #74
KNR Lucinda Mar 2016 #61
yeah that wasn't math Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #68
I'll just leave this here. Chichiri Mar 2016 #76
56%... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #93
56.5%, to be exact. Chichiri Mar 2016 #94
Ahh ok, now you're 'exact'... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #95
Well for a while I posted it in both Hillary's group and GDP. Chichiri Mar 2016 #96
Face the full facts... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #97
And I do, for people who appreciate them. Chichiri Mar 2016 #98
HRC group... HumanityExperiment Mar 2016 #99
Well it's always posted on my journal, so you can find it there. Chichiri Mar 2016 #100
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