2016 Postmortem

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70. Does this surprise anyone? I'm sure 95% of DU's Sanders supporters in key states would pinch their

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:33 PM

Mar 2016

nose and vote Hillary if worst comes to worst, but the "d" in DU is Democratic (put me in this camp).

Sanders has huge support among those without our fondness for the Democratic party (liberal libertarians, progressive independents, Greens, etc.).

Why would they support Hillary who they see (with some justification) as an architect and apologist for the broken status quo?

Also, think of the Progressive Democratics in deep blue or deep red states: their vote will not turn the statewide outcome either way. Why would they NOT vote Green in protest against a status quo establishment conservative Democratic nominee? What's the harm in their protest vote so long as they vote for the progressive Democrats down ballot?

Let's focus on making sure that ALL Democrats in ALL battleground states vote for Sanders or (gods forbid) Hillary no matter who is our nominee?

Why lament that Hillary cannot possibly win Sanders' liberal libertarian supporters, his progressive independent supporters, his Green party supporters, his Regan ex-Democrat Republican supporters, his *gasp* socialist supporters? Hillary has written off these voters off so she needs to win without them or we need to nominate Sanders (and you know where I lie down on that issue).

Why fret about these votes? If we want them, they are within our grasp - just nominate Sanders! If we don't want these votes, surely Jill Stein and Donald Trump and "stay at home" are the alternatives these people will choose.

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33% of Bernie Sanders Supporters Won't Back Hillary in the General [View all] GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 OP

Let's revisit this in October. RandySF Mar 2016 #1

Polls said the same in '08 firebrand80 Mar 2016 #2

That's funny! Hlllary is not Obama. She doesn't inspire people. And her negatives are astronomical. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #6

Didn't she gather more votes than Obama? itsrobert Mar 2016 #16

Too funny. Democrats only. That's a sample taken from about 1/3 of the electorate. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #47

Well why isn't Sanders inspiring those Democrats? brush Mar 2016 #80

That's a fair question and I wish I knew the answer. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #82

Or perhaps the concerns of the Bernistas are not the concerns of the Clinton voters dbackjon Mar 2016 #188

Interesting you said "long memories" angrychair Mar 2016 #193

The graveyard whistle concerto, by H. Clinton and D. Brock. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #108

I Think 33% Is About Right... CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #25

So they'll vote against Clinton instead of vote against Trump? brush Mar 2016 #63

Young people won't show up TheFarseer Mar 2016 #85

That's proven to be true in most elections brush Mar 2016 #96

And is the most admired woman rock Mar 2016 #30

Yeah, when something like 7% wins the title, that's not saying much. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #46

Did I mention rock Mar 2016 #50

Donald Trump thanks you for those comments. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #151

Hillary is very inspiring she winning the nomination: Sanders people are GOP lewebley3 Mar 2016 #177

And yet if you're wrong.... daleanime Mar 2016 #57

Excellent first response! KPN Mar 2016 #133

They probably didn't vote for Obama either Trenzalore Mar 2016 #3

I bet you are absolutely correct... FarPoint Mar 2016 #7

You think you know it all don't you? Avalux Mar 2016 #43

So then.. FarPoint Mar 2016 #45

My God! What is a good enough reason then to keep Trump out of the White House? brush Mar 2016 #86

Ya might wanna dial it back a little bit. Avalux Mar 2016 #114

Oh boy! That's even worse. brush Mar 2016 #119

Avalux is not wrong. Svafa Mar 2016 #137

How do you account for them voting the same 90% of the time then? brush Mar 2016 #141

There is a world of difference in that ~10%. Svafa Mar 2016 #143

Here's some interesting reading that dispells many repug talking points floated here regularly brush Mar 2016 #148

What are you talking about? I didn't say a single thing about "superpredators." Svafa Mar 2016 #150

I'd love kaleckim Mar 2016 #181

Some folks here are bound and determined to not support Hillary and they dont give Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #154

I'll bet you're both wrong. In fact, I know you are. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #132

That's not true of the left of the Democratic party. We voted for Obama. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #9

I certainly don't mean all Sanders supporters Trenzalore Mar 2016 #14

I have voted for every Democratic presidential candidate since 1992 - TBF Mar 2016 #37

Trump thanks you. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #156

I voted for Obama twice Politicalboi Mar 2016 #12

Are you Bernie or Bust? Trenzalore Mar 2016 #15

most people are not going to directly answer that question restorefreedom Mar 2016 #66

she did timmymoff Mar 2016 #24

Not true TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #33

Instead you want to help along someone who is for all that plus even worse. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #55

I don't know that. With 840high Mar 2016 #59

You're looking the wrong direction TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #68

No I will blame anyone who is stubborn enough to give us a Repub President. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #74

I will not ask you to understand TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #75

You know who is giving you that Republican President? Maedhros Mar 2016 #178

If you wont vote for Hillary in GE then Trump thanks you. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #157

You are wrong... Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #34

I bet Andy823 Mar 2016 #41

So, naturally kaleckim Mar 2016 #182

You're sorely mistaken, and no doubt a reason why people here are turned off from her. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #76

I know I didn't. basselope Mar 2016 #163

I voted for Obama once, then he showed me what kind of President he was.[n/t] Maedhros Mar 2016 #179

A lot of Bernie's supporters are independents or not regular voters who Bernie has motivated. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #4

So, what do you want to happen? FarPoint Mar 2016 #5

Goodman. LOL... SidDithers Mar 2016 #8

Which both goodman and Humanist report are quoting a Wall Street Journal poll... nt GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #11

Welcome to DU...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #22

We're supposed to give in to those that Politicalboi Mar 2016 #10

that^ 840high Mar 2016 #60

By "change that" you mean "vote your way or else" ...? musicblind Mar 2016 #122

1) the BERNIE OR BUST gang will end up voting for Clinton, despite what an internet video says brooklynite Mar 2016 #13

Needless worry! peace13 Mar 2016 #17

That number will drop ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #18

Hillary's going to move to the center regardless. strategery blunder Mar 2016 #28

"Hillary will move to the center if she can't get the left" marions ghost Mar 2016 #40

Should be changed to read, bvar22 Mar 2016 #172

Yep marions ghost Mar 2016 #184

As a Bernie supporter, I doubt these numbers will hold up ... cloudythescribbler Mar 2016 #19

Hillary and Her Supporters Don't Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #35

Believe me, we want you. I was a McGovern supporter so I can certainly relate to you. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #62

In my opinion, it'll be closer to 40-45% which will be plenty enough to sink her in the general. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #20

Shhhh! Those Negatives are a right wing conspiracy... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #21

Facts are inconvenient for some ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #23

Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #26

Sow the wind... harvest the whirlwing nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #27

Daring Hillary to win? Sheepshank Mar 2016 #94

It is not a threat nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #99

For months BS supporters flooded this board, badgered alert stalked and swarmed with comments like: Sheepshank Mar 2016 #102

And Hillary Clinton supporters questioned my nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #120

so that is the same level of nasty as what was in the quote I gave you? Sheepshank Mar 2016 #125

Having my self identity questioned is not nasty????? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #126

I don't need to cry you a fucking river...you're doing great all by yourself n/t Sheepshank Mar 2016 #127

You are a textbook example nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #128

and making up shit, and labeling is exactly the crappola I've been dealing with for months. Sheepshank Mar 2016 #129

So I made it up that people queationed my self identity? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #130

this is exactly the making up shit I was talking about. Sheepshank Mar 2016 #131

This is not making up shit nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #135

oh dear, not only am I a nazi and antisemitic, but a racist too? Sheepshank Mar 2016 #136

I have told you what is going on nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #138

your escalating rage seems too manufactured Sheepshank Mar 2016 #139

Not escalating nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #140

you have yet to produce escalating facts. haa haa haa n/t Sheepshank Mar 2016 #158

Well those who are blind to what is going on nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #159

I suppose I could post before and after pics of crystal meth users, and a bunch of tweets Sheepshank Mar 2016 #160

It has all to do with it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #161

and the ridiculous continues Sheepshank Mar 2016 #165

Yup I find the erasing of minorities ridicolous nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #166

Oh, did you make another ASSumption? Another shit stirring attempt Sheepshank Mar 2016 #167

My MO I showed evidence nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #169

two shits Sheepshank Mar 2016 #170

why would you not vote in November treestar Mar 2016 #145

I will, who I vote for nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #147

everyone would do what is best for themselves treestar Mar 2016 #149

DO you understand how hurtful it is what HRC supporters have done nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #152

Why not have a forum just for polls. Bad Dog Mar 2016 #29

Those numbers will not hold. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #31

I guess Hillary and her Supporters... Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #32

33% of sanders supporters who are in the end supporting trump are NO beachbumbob Mar 2016 #36

Let me ask you, using your logic ... ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #39

There's supposedly many Repubs who will vote Dem instead of Trump. Esp. women for Hillary. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #53

The question is whether Hillary supporters will back Bernie - TBF Mar 2016 #38

I think Hillary is terrible, but I will vote for her and most Bernie supporters will in the end. nt Logical Mar 2016 #42

And 99% of Clinton supporters will vote MineralMan Mar 2016 #44

It tells me Bernie is not as reviled as Hillary. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #49

I stand by what I said. MineralMan Mar 2016 #52

Well, good for you. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #54

I'm a Democrat, you see. MineralMan Mar 2016 #58

Looks like we both started 840high Mar 2016 #64

Tells me exactly what everone already knew to be true. NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #174

19% said they'd vote for Kasich. So most likely they don't mind seeing a Republican in there. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #48

The Democratic rank-and-file have demonstrated a consistent pattern: Maedhros Mar 2016 #180

I wonder what percentage of Hillary supporter won't support Bernie in the GE? Amimnoch Mar 2016 #51

Consider me part of the 67% phleshdef Mar 2016 #56

I'll be voting for a candidate that I prefer. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #61

Yep LowOiL Mar 2016 #87

If you don't want to go along with what the party decides creeksneakers2 Mar 2016 #100

A vote against the Democratic candidate is a vote against gay rights, women, POC, Muslims, etc Democat Mar 2016 #106

I'm not voting for Trump. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #111

The Naderites thought they might change things but instead we got Bush policies. No-one revolted kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #65

Calling Bullshit Meteor Man Mar 2016 #83

If you don't like the party creeksneakers2 Mar 2016 #101

If Nader had endorsed Gore there would have been no Iraq War Democat Mar 2016 #105

If tens of thousands of conservadems voted for Gore nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #142

#AnyoneButHer including a half eaten ham sandwich / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #113

There's a couple of Hillary talking points that are particularly stupid lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #67

Always good to have a precise count of idiots. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #69

Does this surprise anyone? I'm sure 95% of DU's Sanders supporters in key states would pinch their Vote2016 Mar 2016 #70

So we should stop supporting Hillary Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #71

pros and cons aside, this is a TREMENDOUS red flag for her strength in the GE MisterP Mar 2016 #72

Meh......... Beacool Mar 2016 #73

People are caught up in the primaries benpollard Mar 2016 #77

That 33% Will Be Responsible For A President Trump... Corey_Baker08 Mar 2016 #78

Is that a threat? Or Blackmail? nt GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #79

No That's The Reality Of The Situation Corey_Baker08 Mar 2016 #88

You have it backwards... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #89

No creeksneakers2 Mar 2016 #92

Wrong, liberals need to vote for the Democratic candidate over Trump Democat Mar 2016 #107

Do we have to vote for someone to the right of Reagan and Bush. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #116

it's blackmail AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #93

"Bernie or Bust" is blackmail. baldguy Mar 2016 #110

Wrong! Meteor Man Mar 2016 #84

Bernie is more electable Rass Mar 2016 #98

^This^ farleftlib Mar 2016 #171

No, Hillary Clinton will be the reason. CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #118

Say what you want, but I know who I'm blaming if we run a shitty and corrupt candidate. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #134

No if Hillary gets the nomination, Bernie Sanders will go out and campaign for her. YOHABLO Mar 2016 #81

Other polls show different numbers creeksneakers2 Mar 2016 #90

Who needs them? n/t Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #91

A third? I question that estimate. HassleCat Mar 2016 #95

Sour grapes don't stick around for long, no worry Tarc Mar 2016 #97

If Hillary gets the nomination, most Bernie supporters will end up voting for her gollygee Mar 2016 #103

Most children, by the time they go to high school, get over the ... SFnomad Mar 2016 #104

If they want to Naderize themselves and give us a fascist GOP POS to occupy the WH. baldguy Mar 2016 #109

That goes for 100% of the people in my household. / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #112

Ask Hillary Clinton whether she would accept the VP slot... Orsino Mar 2016 #115

Teabaggers, Libertarians and anarchists that don't vote. I imagine they won't vote for a woman. seabeyond Mar 2016 #117

33% of Bernie's supporters are disaffected libertarians with no one from the Paul family to vote for CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #121

+ 1 JoePhilly Mar 2016 #173

Ratchet that number upwards after today's disgusting, Rovian, right-wing flavored attack. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #123

So 67% will back her? I think that's high. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #124

they may think differently by November treestar Mar 2016 #144

They'll get over it. The tantrums and threats are just part of primaries. nt BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #146

I won't be getting over the piece of sleazy shit that Brock introduced today. djean111 Mar 2016 #155

I just dont believe that G_j Mar 2016 #153

That estimate seems low. basselope Mar 2016 #162

Sounds awfully similar to 2008 Hugabear Mar 2016 #164

Now if only 100% of them would leave the Party BKH70041 Mar 2016 #168

I'd settle for them leaving DU. LonePirate Mar 2016 #183

Angry white people.nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #175

Fortunately I live in one of the bluest of the blue states Califonz Mar 2016 #176

So many posts from a new person in their first few days on DU are suspicious... Sancho Mar 2016 #185

I lurked... since before the Iowa caucus GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #186

Really...it's not rude to ask.. Sancho Mar 2016 #189

I didn't join and start spamming non-stop... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Mar 2016 #194

You arrived instantly snarky, argumentative, rude and demeaning to many DUers Sheepshank Mar 2016 #195

I did not... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #196

i think that number is over by at least 25 points 0rganism Mar 2016 #187

Considering that over half of Bernie's supporters are independents, they very well could go to Trump reformist2 Mar 2016 #191

could, but they won't 0rganism Mar 2016 #192