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beedle

(1,235 posts)
171. Bernie only recently complained about it
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 12:42 PM
Mar 2016

because it was done on the hush, and no one other than DWS, in-the-know lobbyists (ie: Hillary supporter lobbyists) and her cronies knew about the change until recently.

And as for the super delegates, you do realize that with the debacle that happened in 2008 that there were all kinds of delegate rules changes right up until Aug. So this tripe about delegate "rules" being set in stone, is just that, tripe.

The biggest change came on May 31 as a result of the meeting of the national party's Rules and Bylaws Committee, which lessened the penalty initially imposed on Michigan and Florida. The party had excluded all delegates (including superdelegates) from either state. The Rules and Bylaws Committee voted to seat all these superdelegates (as well as the pledged delegates from those states) but with half a vote each.[25] That action added 55 superdelegates with 27.5 votes. The total number of superdelegates could continue to change until the beginning of the convention (Call to the Convention Section IV(C)(2)). On August 24th, the Democratic Party, at the request of Obama, awarded delegates from Michigan and Florida full voting rights.[26]


Good link! DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #1
Maybe they can stop thinking the supers owe THEM their votes. bravenak Mar 2016 #2
Neither do I owe MY vote Mike__M Mar 2016 #119
I somehow don't see that :( DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #139
I'm a dreamer... bravenak Mar 2016 #142
One could politely tell those elected officials who are superdelegates Liberty Belle Mar 2016 #3
The candidate with the most popular votes already has their support bravenak Mar 2016 #6
State By State... fella... So They Should respect The WILL As Expressed By Their Constituents OR... CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #89
Some of the super delegates are not currently serving so cant vote them out. Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #103
But the election is not over yet. Liberty Belle Mar 2016 #175
I am perfectly fine with that. bravenak Mar 2016 #176
America utilizes representative democracy, not direct democracy. How do you not know this? CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #11
JFC... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #56
Yep. It's the media I have a problem with. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #61
It's dishonest for Sanders to decry the super-delegate system yet employ the man that designed it. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #122
Where has Sanders decried the superdelegate system? ljm2002 Mar 2016 #124
Many, many of the superdelegates aren't elected officials... SidDithers Mar 2016 #126
That is not true. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #164
I don't see DUers calling on Alan Grayson to switch his vote to Hillary. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #4
Of course not!!!! bravenak Mar 2016 #5
If she has the popular vote at the end of the primary unapatriciated Mar 2016 #14
An honest poster. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #17
Does your reply mean if unapatriciated Mar 2016 #113
If he won the popular vote i would say he should be the winner. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #117
thank you unapatriciated Mar 2016 #118
Yes, exactly. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #63
Right now superdelegates tend to keep their endorsements... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #65
You will when McDermott, Murray and Cantwell are pressured to see the error of their ways. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #90
Yeah, I'm waiting for that to happen... MoonRiver Mar 2016 #173
A super-delegate for Sanders from Nevada is on the record saying she won't vote as her state did. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #7
Oh hell yeah bravenak Mar 2016 #8
Well Dr. Dean from Vermont has said the same thing... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #69
No. I believe the poster was referring to the Bernie-supporters' ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #91
Um, I'm one of those "Bernie-supporters"... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #98
Then, the hypocrite label does not apply to you ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #104
I think Sanders is a hypocrite. He was against super-delegates, until he needed them. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #123
Link, please? ljm2002 Mar 2016 #125
Which is how superdelages work. Not how democracy works. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #9
It is the system bravenak Mar 2016 #10
It's the "system" than many of us want to rid ourselves of. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #16
Not enough of 'us' bravenak Mar 2016 #18
Yet. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #21
Screw the system...it doesn't work for regular people, just elites. Punkingal Mar 2016 #30
Rhetoric bravenak Mar 2016 #33
Truth. Punkingal Mar 2016 #35
The DNC can change their rules. Just not midway through a Primary Sheepshank Mar 2016 #107
I understand the rules can't be changed now. But they need to be after this election. Punkingal Mar 2016 #108
Democracy and the democratic rule of elections are a constitutional construct Sheepshank Mar 2016 #129
It can make it's own rules, sure. Punkingal Mar 2016 #131
You mean beedle Mar 2016 #166
Some rules are actually law...some are operational policy Sheepshank Mar 2016 #167
here beedle Mar 2016 #169
Washington Post? Never mind, is does state it was a "guideline" for Obama's POTUS bid..... Sheepshank Mar 2016 #170
Bernie only recently complained about it beedle Mar 2016 #171
The candidate who wins the popular vote unapatriciated Mar 2016 #12
Hillary won the popular vote against O if I remember correctly. bravenak Mar 2016 #13
Only if you count Michigan and Obama was not even on the ballot. unapatriciated Mar 2016 #29
Oh!! I remember why I considered it even now bravenak Mar 2016 #32
Results... Major Nikon Mar 2016 #57
Thank you bravenak Mar 2016 #64
What the hell???? sheshe2 Mar 2016 #137
I'm sayin! bravenak Mar 2016 #138
Ya know.... sheshe2 Mar 2016 #140
Might be the same person bravenak Mar 2016 #141
I just went to look. sheshe2 Mar 2016 #143
Found it. sheshe2 Mar 2016 #144
Ok. Hmmm. Mmmm hmmmm. bravenak Mar 2016 #145
Again Bravenak - for transparency - in this case it looks like the alerter is being alerted seaglass Mar 2016 #58
Just getting obvious at this point. I can see what's going on. bravenak Mar 2016 #62
At least it was 0-7. Incremental improvements..... SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #68
Yep! bravenak Mar 2016 #72
The candidate who wins the most pledged delegates will be the nominee... SidDithers Mar 2016 #133
If superdelegates don't follow the way the people vote, it's time to chuck the superdelegate shraby Mar 2016 #15
They own their votes bravenak Mar 2016 #20
Really? The party has done itself harm for many, many years. Punkingal Mar 2016 #34
The party is doing better than at many other times when we picked ideoligical purity bravenak Mar 2016 #36
Are you serious? The party is doing awful. Punkingal Mar 2016 #46
What did we have after we lost so badly to Nixon and Reagan? bravenak Mar 2016 #51
Naive. Punkingal Mar 2016 #60
What did we have? The House, Senate, and majority of Governors and States Legislatures. ieoeja Mar 2016 #168
If the Democratic Party is so damaged, why did Sanders choose to hitch his horse to this wagon? George II Mar 2016 #162
2/3rd of the Registered Democrats in the "Party" Are Voting for Clinton Stallion Mar 2016 #99
Not really. Only 20 Democratic Superdelegates are 'distinguished leaders' such as former Presidents Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #39
Good post... TeeYiYi Mar 2016 #67
So, as noted above ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #38
Their votes are not owed to us, bunnies Mar 2016 #19
Me too bravenak Mar 2016 #28
they vote at the will of the party beedle Mar 2016 #172
Lee Fang @ The Intercept: Lobbyist Superdelegates Tip Nomination in Clinton's Favor. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #22
I have no idea what that has to do with this bravenak Mar 2016 #24
The point: Many superdelegates are lobbyists, not elected pols. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #59
I really don't think that politicians have our best interests in mind either most times bravenak Mar 2016 #66
Right. Follow the money if you want to know who the super-constituents are. rachacha Mar 2016 #79
Many of them are elected office-holders. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #23
Maybe. bravenak Mar 2016 #25
Incumbents have such an advantage I suspect they are not concerned at all hack89 Mar 2016 #26
75% of caucus goers yesterday called for a 'revolution'. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #27
But caucus goers as a percentage of GE election voters is tiny hack89 Mar 2016 #37
Sanders is the incumbent in this primary...you think he has the advantage? n/t Henhouse Mar 2016 #75
No such thing. hack89 Mar 2016 #97
Of course they don't, they are free to be the first politicians in history to risk their own asses Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #31
Isn't that, exactly, what DU:Bernie is asking of the Super-delegates? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #41
Not sure what you are attempting to say, but I think the superdelegates should vote for the Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #55
They have a right to vote for whomever they want radical noodle Mar 2016 #40
It seems that there are many double standards bravenak Mar 2016 #42
+10000 radical noodle Mar 2016 #47
Thanks for promoting oligarghy instead of Democracy. libtodeath Mar 2016 #43
. bravenak Mar 2016 #44
Too bad you dont even like Hillary so snooze on. libtodeath Mar 2016 #49
Caucused for her bravenak Mar 2016 #50
Big deal. libtodeath Mar 2016 #52
. bravenak Mar 2016 #54
I'm SOOOO stealing that! 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #70
Ha! My favorite bravenak Mar 2016 #71
That's what bothers me about superdelegates. Vinca Mar 2016 #45
We are a representative democracy bravenak Mar 2016 #48
But that is precisely the problem. Vinca Mar 2016 #120
Interesting that you support the idea... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #53
Have you called on Alan Grayson and the Nevada Super-delegate ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #80
As I have said elsewhere... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #94
Oh ... Okay. I must have miss re-read your post(s). 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #100
Praise the glorious revolutionary DNC for ignoring stupid wrong voters... /s JPnoodleman Mar 2016 #73
. bravenak Mar 2016 #74
Party can ignore sanders voters as they wish, they aren't entitled to our votes. JPnoodleman Mar 2016 #76
I think people need to learn how this works. bravenak Mar 2016 #82
How what works? Does the DNC or Hillary have some sacred divine right? JPnoodleman Mar 2016 #86
I do not care what most people here think bravenak Mar 2016 #87
Who made you the ultimate authority on these things? Punkingal Mar 2016 #102
What has my thinking things have to do with being the 'authority'? bravenak Mar 2016 #105
They don't have to listen to anybody, but constituents of a given state or district ... ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #77
They can try bravenak Mar 2016 #78
DU does not have to listen to Bravenak. PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #81
That is nowhere in the rules bravenak Mar 2016 #83
The will of the people and the best interests of the people are not always easy to define mythology Mar 2016 #163
Is this attitude what brought you to Clinton, or the reverse? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #84
Very personal bravenak Mar 2016 #88
I'm genuinely curious. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #92
No. I just see how messy the whole thing is now. bravenak Mar 2016 #95
Democracy is supposed to be messy. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #96
No they don't have to listen. I'm sure if they don't the voters will be happy to remind them. Autumn Mar 2016 #85
Bet most of Hillary's have been paid in some way Politicalboi Mar 2016 #93
Weird how some people still think the USA is a democracy. mhatrw Mar 2016 #101
I've tried to explain this over and over Sheepshank Mar 2016 #106
Thank you!!!! bravenak Mar 2016 #110
Reince Priebus approves of this thread AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #109
Yeah no shit lol strategery blunder Mar 2016 #157
Super delegates no different from elected delegates MFM008 Mar 2016 #111
I can imagine it bravenak Mar 2016 #112
Is only you were born as Rubert Murdoch...n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #114
I am too cute bravenak Mar 2016 #116
Very cute... blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #136
Because, if they thwart the will of the voters, Democracy fails. NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #115
How democratic! AzDar Mar 2016 #121
The vote should not be theirs! It should ONLY the peoples vote! bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #127
We need to do away with Superdelegates. liberalmuse Mar 2016 #128
Here's my take on the superdelegates. As you rightly point out, they ARE the establishment.... George II Mar 2016 #130
I agree with that. bravenak Mar 2016 #132
It will only make matters worse with respect to superdelegates supporting him. Frankly.... George II Mar 2016 #134
It does help her out alot bravenak Mar 2016 #135
Half of superdelegates are white males. jfern Mar 2016 #146
I did not do that. AMERICA did. Thank the nation for creating that by not allowing the rest of us to bravenak Mar 2016 #147
But you are defending superdelegates, which are half white males jfern Mar 2016 #148
I'm interested in affirmative action bravenak Mar 2016 #151
So there aren't enough white males in the Democratic party so, they needed half the superdelegates? jfern Mar 2016 #154
Unintelligible bravenak Mar 2016 #156
That's how Republicans win elections AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #149
We the other people like them bravenak Mar 2016 #150
Divide and fail AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #152
I'm waiting until after June 7th before I start contacting local elected superdelegates strategery blunder Mar 2016 #153
That is a good idea. bravenak Mar 2016 #155
2383 is majority of pledged+supers strategery blunder Mar 2016 #158
I am doing it this way because the contest is officially over at that point bravenak Mar 2016 #160
Super Dels want the nominee who is going to be the best candidate in the GE and the best Cha Mar 2016 #159
Yep. They usually form relationships bravenak Mar 2016 #161
Sanders will not be successful in appealing to super delegates Gothmog Mar 2016 #165
I agree bravenak Mar 2016 #174
Super delegates are elites and party power brokers. The vast majority are the 1 percent... CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #177
This is where we have been for a long time bravenak Mar 2016 #178
Yes, and maybe this election will help us screw our heads on straight. CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #179
Thus the "super" Dem2 Mar 2016 #180
K&R! nt R B Garr Apr 2016 #181
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