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KitSileya

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50. Well, if you're read my post number 17, you'd see I didn't disregard Hawai'i.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:50 AM
Mar 2016

As for policy issues? Yes, I am proud to be associated with many of Hillary's issues. You might not know it, but I live in Norway. Now, Sanders has used Denmark as his example of a Scandinavian country he wants the US to become more alike, but I'll use Norway as my example. After all, Norway has been ranked as the best country to live in several years running.

Let's take the two heaviest hitters - health care and education. In Norway, we have universal health care. That means that all individuals have health coverage, and insurance companies have no say in most medical decisions.I have used that system several times, and am very satisfied. How can I square that with Hillary's position, which is for defending ACA and gradually making it universal coverage and cracking down on drug prices? I do that because I realize that the Norwegian health care system cannot be implemented in the US over night. It cannot. That would mean the federal government buying all the hospitals and staffing them. It would mean lifting all political health care decisions to the federal level. Single payer is something Hillary fought for in the 90s, and I think that makes her a better judge on whether it is possible to get in the US today. In Vermont, it failed. Using the ACA as a basis is the way to go, because if you toss that out and try to implement a totally new system, it will create mayhem.

The same with education. In Norway, college is practically free, regardless where in the country you go. I am currently taking a 200-level class in Nordic literature (about half a semester's worth of credits) alongside work and it cost me less than $85. There are some private colleges, mostly for business school, but the state system has equally good alternatives for that. Hillary wants the same thing for public colleges. She wants to make in-state tuition free, and make out-state tuition dependent on family earnings. To get the Norwegian system, you have to raise college education to the federal level, and make all universities federally owned. That's isn't feasible.

Climate change? Norway is 100% self-supplied with clean energy in the form of hydroelectricity. However, since the electricity companies are independent companies, even though the state owns large parts of them, we end up using electricity from dirty coal, because the companies sell clean energy to Europe at a profit in peak seasons, and buy dirty energy from the UK in off-seasons. Not to mention the oil we sell - it's not clean, now is it. Yes, the profits go to the Norwegian people, but that's because the oil industry is nationalized. Do you think it is possible to nationalize all coal, oil, and fracking companies in the US? I don't, so I think Hillary's position of cutting emissions and investing in clean energy is smart.

A lot of what Sanders promises isn't possible to do in the time frame he promises simply because the US is divided into 50 states. Norway is like one state - Vermont is probably the state that is most similar to Norway. Small population, not very diverse, big advantages from that lack of diversity. When the US gets rid of states' rights, and the federal election system of first-past-the-post, then we can start talking. Until then, Bernie wants mostly the same things as Hillary, but Hillary has a more realistic approach to getting them.

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Ah, reality bites! Cha Mar 2016 #1
Yeah, Hawaii is a diverse state, as you know KitSileya Mar 2016 #3
Yeah, it's diverse in Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, Portuguese, Hawaiian.. but all I saw Cha Mar 2016 #10
That may be. KitSileya Mar 2016 #12
That's how you're going to spin this, white college kids stole the election? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #13
Except for the most diverse state in the union. longship Mar 2016 #11
+1,000,001 dchill Mar 2016 #26
keyword... state... if we saw 2 or 3 more of these then Sanders camp would have a point uponit7771 Mar 2016 #66
It bites you on the ass rock Mar 2016 #39
K & R Iliyah Mar 2016 #2
You're countering my point that only AA and Latino/a (Hispanic/Chicano/a) matter... blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #4
American Indians and Alaska native: KitSileya Mar 2016 #6
Clinton didn't win Oklahoma. Behind the Aegis Mar 2016 #8
You are right, and I will edit. KitSileya Mar 2016 #9
No problem, also... Behind the Aegis Mar 2016 #15
Yes, the most diverse state went for Sanders KitSileya Mar 2016 #17
So true. Behind the Aegis Mar 2016 #18
I do think considering all the horribly racist posts concerning the "Confederacy" KitSileya Mar 2016 #25
"The most diverse states have voted for Clinton" Trajan Mar 2016 #69
How is Mississippi diverse? It only has whites and blacks, and it's like 100% Christian. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #5
So if the diversity is based on African Americans, it doesn't count? KitSileya Mar 2016 #7
Diverse means showing a great deal of variety. Mississippi doesn't have that. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #14
OK, but in the other direction "diverse" shouldn't just be a code word for "black", right? Recursion Mar 2016 #20
diversity Gwhittey Mar 2016 #33
Just curious, CS. floriduck Mar 2016 #36
The nation's most diverse state Hawaii overwhelmingly voted for Bernie. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #16
See post 17. n/t KitSileya Mar 2016 #21
Then why don't you edit your title? You just admitted it's not true. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #47
I'll edit when blueinteligentsia edits theirs. KitSileya Mar 2016 #53
So you're deliberately being offensive to minorities who voted for Bernie to get even. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #55
I have acknowledged in both threads that Hawai'i is the most diverse state. KitSileya Mar 2016 #57
You're responsible for your own offensive behaviour, don't blame others. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #58
It's kind of amusing how people are acting like "more diverse" is a well-defined term Recursion Mar 2016 #19
Diverse is a word meaning 'showing a great deal of variety, very different'. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #59
Its really simple... bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #22
I'm not dismissing everyone except African Americans. KitSileya Mar 2016 #29
Samoa is not diverse, it is almost entirely Samoan people. Hawaii is diverse because it has variety: Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #61
And Northern Marianas? n/t KitSileya Mar 2016 #63
Diverse is a word meaning 'showing a great deal of variety, very different'. Who is 'you guys'? Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #68
Sanders wins in states that don't look like the rest of America. Clinton wins in those that do. baldguy Mar 2016 #23
That's also one way to put it. KitSileya Mar 2016 #24
American Samoa is not diverse, it is almost entirely Pacific Islanders, which by the way is not Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #62
Right, states that embrace LGBTs, pot, and universal health care mainer Mar 2016 #46
^^^THAT RIGHT THERE^^^ beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #70
Great post Kit! K&R Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #27
Hillary is winning states Democrats always lose in the general election. Vinca Mar 2016 #28
There's a difference between a primary and an election. KitSileya Mar 2016 #30
Well . . . duh . . . I realize the difference between a primary and a general. Vinca Mar 2016 #31
Why does your post ignore Asians native Americans and Pacific Islanders? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #32
Because, apparently, they don't count. mainer Mar 2016 #38
Se my post no. 6 and Behind the Aegis' post no. 15 KitSileya Mar 2016 #41
So your OP is wrong. Perhaps you should edit? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #42
I'll edit when blueintelligentsia edits their OP KitSileya Mar 2016 #54
Ah, I see an intellectually dishonest poster then. Ignore. Bye. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #64
Because Clinton is not winning them. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2016 #60
Of course they have. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #34
But MS, LA, GA, TX, and probably AZ...... marmar Mar 2016 #35
sorry, Hawaii is the most diverse state pdsimdars Mar 2016 #37
Well, if you're read my post number 17, you'd see I didn't disregard Hawai'i. KitSileya Mar 2016 #50
But is there any way that Hillary supporters can talk about a POLICY ISSUE they support? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #71
Do I hear stamping of feet? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #40
In states where even Democrats are uncomfortable with GLBT equality and reproductive rights and Vote2016 Mar 2016 #43
Is there a problem beedle Mar 2016 #44
Your definition of diversity offensively ignores Native Americans, Arab-Americans, Indian-Americans, Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #45
Only minorites who support Hillary count! Hell Hawaii doesn't even count now, the op left it off. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #48
That really seems to be what they are saying. libtodeath Mar 2016 #49
Yep, this is all sour grapes because Bernie won the least white state. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #51
Just like having a cacus was fine in Iowa but meaningless after she lost a few. libtodeath Mar 2016 #52
They're really taking this hard, I feel sorry for them. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #56
They call Oklahoma 'homogeneous and sparsely populated' when it is less white than Illinois or the Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #65
Good point. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #67
K&R! DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #72
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