2016 Postmortem

JonLeibowitz

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1. Before the inevitable "Saying you aren't sure if you're voting for Clinton is voting for Trump"

Tue Mar 29, 2016, 03:12 PM

Mar 2016

No. While I might not agree with the reasoning or the conclusion to not vote Dem, expressing an opinion on how you might hypothetically vote 3rd party is emphatically not saying that Trump would be better than Clinton.

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Regarding today's meme about Sarandon. Here's what she was really saying (IMO) [View all] Armstead Mar 2016 OP

Before the inevitable "Saying you aren't sure if you're voting for Clinton is voting for Trump" JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #1

True, saying you're "not sure about voting for Clinton" is not the same thing as voting for Trump. DanTex Mar 2016 #7

You forgot to add "in my opinion". Others do disagree, as is their right. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #15

Where is the line drawn? revbones Mar 2016 #41

Agreed, I keep posting along the same theme, JCanete Mar 2016 #64

Trump, on the other hand, would be compelled to nominate Right wing Supreme Court Justices. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #2

But Obama just did the same thing? Gwhittey Mar 2016 #46

But that's her point. CanadaexPat Mar 2016 #53

If Trump were to replace Scalia and Ginsburg, a 6-3 right leaning Court would exist for 25 years. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #69

Sorry, Bernie Sanders. There is zero evidence of your ‘political revolution’ yet Gothmog Mar 2016 #3

Go ahead and focus on the Go Team Tiger Beat aspect of it Armstead Mar 2016 #8

Well look, it's not happening at the pace it could because you don't want it. JCanete Mar 2016 #66

Without these millions and millions of new voters, then Sanders campaign cannot deliver on platform Gothmog Mar 2016 #72

And, as Chris Hayes pointed out, this is pure Marxist/Leninist stupidity. DanTex Mar 2016 #4

Susan Sarandon never said she agreed. She was just echoing what she has seen out in the country. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #21

+ 1 JoePhilly Mar 2016 #22

+ 1 CanadaexPat Mar 2016 #54

the 1950s called, Senator McCarthy would like the red baiting back nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #59

You should write a furious letter to Chris Hayes. DanTex Mar 2016 #60

I am not the one engaged in red baiting nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #61

I'm sure Chris is devastated. How will his career recover? DanTex Mar 2016 #62

And I am sure you love him for the red baiting nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #65

Imagine Bernie Sanders wins the White House. Then what? Gothmog Mar 2016 #5

Many of them have voted for Sanders Armstead Mar 2016 #9

But as of today, Clinton has 2,526,500 more popular votes than Sanders Gothmog Mar 2016 #19

If you think things are fine and think they should continue as they have been, fine Armstead Mar 2016 #24

Again, the premise of your thread and the Sanders campaign requires millions and millions of voters Gothmog Mar 2016 #27

Miullions and millions of voters feel otherwise Armstead Mar 2016 #31

But in a democracy, the majority vote wins and Clinton has 2.5 million more votes Gothmog Mar 2016 #35

Actually this is so wrong for the US it is astouding nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #63

Your analysis is wrong as normal Gothmog Mar 2016 #73

Astoubding!!! nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #75

Popular votes is not correct measure of anything Gwhittey Mar 2016 #47

You are wrong in that you are missing the fact that Sanders' revolution is a flop Gothmog Mar 2016 #51

So if its such a flop, why don't you focus on attacking Trump? DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #77

I can have an opinion about what I think she meant too. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #6

We can all have opinions, no matter how much you want to distort the point Armstead Mar 2016 #10

Now you're just projecting at me. No thank you. nt CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #13

Here's what was said: one_voice Mar 2016 #11

If your house has destructive mold in the walls..... Armstead Mar 2016 #14

There's more than one way to fix the mold. one_voice Mar 2016 #17

The house shouldn't have to be torn down Armstead Mar 2016 #29

Letting trump win is like demolishing your house .... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #18

mold is not a small problem. ibegurpard Mar 2016 #26

Either were knocking the house down ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #32

You call someone who will honestly tell you that you have mold and Armstead Mar 2016 #37

So if we nominate Hillary, you'd rather Trump just JoePhilly Mar 2016 #43

It's a question of which candidate WANTS to fix the mold Armstead Mar 2016 #74

When did she say "that is not a desirable outcome"- Chris tried to get her to disagree.... bettyellen Mar 2016 #12

+ 1 JoePhilly Mar 2016 #44

if someone on the left is an advocate and leaves it up to interpretation geek tragedy Mar 2016 #16

+ 1 JoePhilly Mar 2016 #20

That's fine if that's your opinion...but I think the reasons for her opinion should be.... Armstead Mar 2016 #23

Surrogates shouldn't contradict what the candidate says. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #30

Surrogates are individuals...I saw the mayor of Miami Beach Armstead Mar 2016 #33

the country lurched right in 1980. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #38

It has sucked on a more manageable and balanced and human scale Armstead Mar 2016 #39

LBJ=Vietnam=fuck him. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #40

the corruption has always been there, which is why one man alone cannot fix it. bettyellen Mar 2016 #49

Edwards was a shameless panderer who had superficial appeal geek tragedy Mar 2016 #50

Maybe they kick Hillary instead of themselves for being so very wrong? I see that happen in the bettyellen Mar 2016 #52

Corruption was rampant before Citizens United. I agree about a Constitutional amendment Armstead Mar 2016 #57

I agree that Vietnam was horrible, but I don't think we can sum up LBJ's entire legacy based StevieM Mar 2016 #79

Congress did all of those good things--though obviously he played a role in it. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #80

I agree about Vietnam. But LBJ was a legendary vote getter. And I don't think Congress would have StevieM Mar 2016 #81

you don't need t defend her ibegurpard Mar 2016 #25

And this is why you can't discuss anything one_voice Mar 2016 #34

You must be dizzy from all that spinning dbackjon Mar 2016 #28

I think it's simpler. Jarqui Mar 2016 #36

No doubt at all... ljm2002 Mar 2016 #42

That quote says it all Armstead Mar 2016 #67

Susan Sarandon is a hero! Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #45

Haven't seen you in a while Armstead Mar 2016 #56

Excellent post, Peace Patriot. polly7 Mar 2016 #70

that's what I got out of her interview too dana_b Mar 2016 #48

Susan JUST tweeted: dana_b Mar 2016 #55

Thank you for posting this! felix_numinous Mar 2016 #58

I've been hearing "It has to get worse before it gets better" for at least 50 years eridani Mar 2016 #68

The frustration underlying that cliche still exists...Things keep getting worse Armstead Mar 2016 #71

They know what she said Prism Mar 2016 #76

Thats is the way I heard it as well awake Mar 2016 #78

There are historical similarities to Nader/Gore/Bush 2000 Buzz cook Mar 2016 #82

Any reasonable person grasps that noiretextatique Mar 2016 #83